Wikistink
When the Wickileak scandal first broke, my instinct was to sniff the air and try and determine what kind animal had left such a pile. Not that I'm some sort of big game hunter but have scooped a lot of it as a kid growing up on a farm and know when its fresh and what made it.
The first odiferous whiff was the understanding of just who the players are in this nations security empire, that now has public molestation as one of its principle forms of intimidation.
Of course it was once again a perfectly timed event just like all the other “terrorist” terrors, intended to rally the sheeple around the flag and against the boogie man. You could almost hear the director yelling – que the WIKI!
Don’t do as your told and attack Iran, well we’ll see how you like having all your dirty undies hung out for everyone to see. Better start getting busy and planning that attack or we’ll release even more.
Of course, the SS (State Security) now begins the call for “regulating” the internet so these kinds of state secrets can be controlled. Don't you love it when a plan comes together?
Whatcha gonna do when they come for you in reading this?
I don't know your politics
I don't know your politics and don't claim to. When have I labelled you anything other than a conspiracy theorist?
Here are a few facts though...
"Barely" graduating from any U.S. military academy is an honor. 899 out of 899 is still better than 99.9% of the population of this country.
Here is what you call "no picnic." Ejecting from a plane hit by a missile, breaking both arms and a leg and landing in a lake and sinking to the bottom. Retrieved by North Vietnamese soldiers, bayoneted, beaten, starved, and left in solitary confinement for 2 years. All in all he spent 5 and a half years in a North Vietnamese P.O.W. camp. Oh, but you read somewhere that one time he got some medicine because his father was an military leader, so that negates all the torture and beating sessions that resulted in him not being able to raise his arms above his head to this day. Here is the first person account, http://politics.usnews.com/news/articles/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner....
And as for as your libelous claim: "I think we've already established that part since it was he who caused it." You don't have any proof that he caused the fire. In fact his plane was hit by a rocket while he was sitting in it on the flight deck.
You say that you're harassed, reviled, cursed and threatened. I'll buy that. But I take issue with what you believe to be the cause, which is that you're telling the truth. You're not telling "the" truth, you're telling "your" truth. When "your" truth is so far from reality that it is offensive or libelous, then others have a responsibility to respond.
First, thank you for making
First, thank you for making my point. I mean, I could never, in a million years, have come up with a better post to illustrate the old conspiracy theorist playbook.
Second, I understand if you don't agree with John McCain's politics. However, your libelous rant about his military service crosses the line. Your version of patriotism is regurgitating bits of information you find on the internet. John McCain's version comes from the Naval Academy, and jumping from burning aircraft, and from a prisoner of war camp in Vietnam. The two versions are light years apart, and frankly, you should be ashamed you wrote it.
Penteller & buz, I never
Penteller & buz, I never questioned either of you for love of country or patriotism. You were the ones who brought it up.
All I said on my posts to this specific discussion of Wikistinks, is that when you're trying to talk about a specific issue, bringing unrelated conspiracy theories into the discussion hurts the validity of the point you might be making at the time. Inferring that U.S. law enforcement officials are like the SS of Nazi Germany is so completely off base that it is sickening.
A discussion that started off about Wikileaks contains references to Saddam, FDR's monetary policies during the depression, whether the U.S. allowed Japan to attack Pearl Harbor, and U.S. aid to Hitler in WWII.
I do think there is an element of the government that is out of control right now. The government is implementing policies that overstep their authority in the name of "national security." I don't agree with some of the "too big to fail" monetary policies of the past 3 years.
Conspiracy theorists take bits of information from different areas, connect them together and dare others NOT to believe at the risk of their intelligence or patriotism. It's like a rec league softball player stepping up to the plate against Greg Maddux in his prime. He might get a base hit one time in 1000 tries, but even when it happens it's still just luck.
Inferring that U.S. law
Inferring that U.S. law enforcement officials are like the SS of Nazi Germany is so completely off base that it is sickening.
I know that Penteller remembers as well as I do when our Sen. Dick Durbin visited Gitmo and reported the disturbing facts on the Senate floor after he returned. One line that he used was quoting an FBI report that 'conditions were similiar to Nazi concentration camps.' The next day his office was flooded with angry phone calls and faxes from po'd veterans. Example: 'How dare you compare what were doing down there to Nazis!' The man was quoting from an FBI report, but that didn't stop Durbin from immediately returning to the Senate floor the next day, crying crocodile tears, and apologizing profusely to the angey vets.
'All I said on my posts to this specific discussion of Wikistinks, is that when you're trying to talk about a specific issue, bringing unrelated conspiracy theories into the discussion hurts the validity of the point you might be making at the time.'
I understand your point. In my (our?) defense, I can only say that it's all a part of the tangled web.
Article 1 Section 7 sets a
Article 1 Section 7 sets a rule for raising revenue, not spending tax dollars. Essentially ever bill ever passed or presented involves tax dollars.
Most of the original TARP money has been paid back or is on schedule to be paid back, with the exception of the GM/Chysler debacle. The U.S. & Canadian government purchased 75% of GM, and their stock price will likely never be at a price where the government(s) will be able to recover that money.
The U.S. is not an evil empire, we are the rock upon which the rest of the world has stood for the past 60 years or so. Our banking/financial system has been the big reason why we've been so strong, and the government successfully stepped in and stopped what could have been a complete crash. Has the government made mistakes? Absolutely. We the U.S. make mistakes again? Absolutely.
I'm not saying you don't love your country, all I'm saying is that it is not as bad as you make it out to be, and every issue doesn't boil down to some kind of conspiracy.
There has been some
There has been some disagreement over the years as to whether FDR's policies were responsible for bringing our nation out of the Depression of the '30's. Many say that they weren't successful, that it was the decision to enter WWII that solved our crisis. Building all of those ships, planes and tanks, in order to save Europe, was what was responsible for creating all of those high-paying manufacturing jobs that eventually led to the largest middle-class population that the world had ever seen. But, you say, it wasn't a 'decision' to enter that war that FDR successfully campaigned to keep us out of (since most Americans wanted no part of), but a reaction to the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor? I believe that you'll find that most historians now agree that the Japanese were lured, or provoked, into attacking our Pacific naval base.
Why? Germany, Italy and Japan had signed a pact stating that if one those nations were attacked, or pulled into war, the other two would be their allies. After Pearl Harbor, FDR then had his excuse to fight Hitler. And just as in the aftermath of 9-11, following Pearl Harbor, most Americans were willing to fight anyone for vengeance.
America has been 'the rock' for the past 60 years? I suppose that is one way to glamorize things. As a matter of fact, after WWII the US was the 'only' country in the world whose manufacturing capability hadn't been destroyed. What pulled us out of the Depression was that we were the only source of tools for the European countries and Japan to rebuild their infrastructures.
America's 'rock' was it's manufacturing base. And what is the condition of 'the rock' today?
As an aside: Why do you believe that Sen. Prescott Bush, father of President George H. W. Bush and grandfather of President George W. Bush, gave economic aid to Hitler while he was a Senator and after we had entered WWII? Henry Ford had also previously provided Hitler with a manufacturing capability. That helped the birth of Hitler's Volkswagon.
If our government isn't evil, it sure resembles the Mafia.
'...and the government successfully stepped in and stopped what could have been a complete crash...' - you
How do you know that there would've been a 'complete crash?' Did Henry Paulson and Ben Bernanke scare you too?
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." - T. Jefferson
Presently, one out of every seven Americans require food assistance.
"To announce that there must be NO criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President Right or Wrong, is not only UNPATRIOTIC and SERVILE, but is Morally TREASONABLE to the American Public." - Former Republican President, Theodore Roosevelt
I choose NOT to be Unpatriotic, Servile, or a Traitor. How about you?
I don't mean to imply that
I don't mean to imply that you're right or wrong but, assuming you're right, what kinds of specific changes would you propose to right this ship of ours?
IMHO, the Federal Reserve
IMHO, the Federal Reserve must be eliminated! Our Founding Fathers were probably wiser than anyone on this forum and 90% of the population. They were well-read in history and that's why they specifically gave the power to coin money to Congress only. The Federalists suceeded in establishing a National Bank for this purpose early on, but it's charter was revoked after Congress caught on to what the international bankers were up to. A second National Bank was established mid-19th century, and again it's charter was revoked. In the early 20th century the bankers conspired to cause a depression which caused havoc with our economy. During the winter of 1913 a secret meeting was held on Jekyll Island off the coast of Georgia among the international bankers. This time they drew up the Federal Reserve Act and had one of their congressmen bring it to a vote during the Christmas holiday, when most Congressmen were home with their families. The Act passed and was signed into law by President Wilson, who said during a campaign speech that: "We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the world - no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men."
It's my understanding that in order to change or add something to the Constitution, an 'Amendment' must be signed by 75% of the states. Yet, taking the power to create money away from Congress and placing it in the hands of foreign individuals only took an 'Act?'
Four years after the Federal Reserve was established our nation entered WWI, eleven years after that came the Great Depression, and another decade later we entered WWII. We've been in an armed conflict to some degree ever since. And who always comes out ahead during and after wars? The international bankers.
The foreign owners of the Federal Reserve also own the Central Banks of Europe.
A quote from the grandaddy of the international bankers: Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes it's laws. - Mayer Anselm Rothschild, Banker
By eliminate, you mean bring
By eliminate, you mean bring it within the government, correct? We'll always need someone controlling the money supply and interest rates to keep inflation and deflation in check so I don't think you can eliminate the functions of the Fed but perhaps you feel differently so I don't want to make that assumption.
In what specific ways do you see things changing if the Fed were eliminated? Would the economy see less volatility and, if so, why? Would small businesses find easier access to low interest rates and, if so, how?
Sorry, don't mean to grill you with questions but I am genuinely interested. I like to think outside the box for solutions.
The "America is horrible" and
The "America is horrible" and the "SS" inference dampen the legitimate points that you make about governmental control of the internet.
I love my country but believe
I love my country but believe that we live under the most corrupt government in our history. It is clearly controlled by international bankers, like most of the infrastructure of our society. The US Constitution is 'recognized & honored' ONLY if it doesn't get in the way of the 'owners,' it is ignored if it does.
Case in point: The Tarp Program
You remember this, surely. Treasury Secretary given $800 billion tax dollars to 'save' banks that were 'too big to fail.'
The Constitution provides that ALL bills that involve tax dollars MUST originate in the House of Representatives...no exceptions! The House did propose the TARP Bill, but because of outrage by their constituents, the bill was soundly defeated! The Senate then took that bill, made some tweaks, then 'passed it' and sent it to the House, who then 'passed it.' Am I the only one who knows the unconstitutionality of that? NO! But it is never pointed out by the controlled media, because the bankers own the media.
Congress gave Bush their blessing to go after Saddam on two conditions, that he show evidence of Saddam's involvement in 9/11 or him harboring terrorists. Neither condition was met!
These are only two examples. Do you need more? Am I a bad person because I remember past sins of our government and bring them to light on this forum? I love my country...
Actually, most people world-wide understand. It's not Americans, in general, who are bad...
Wikileeks - I don't see what
Wikileeks - I don't see what the big deal is: http://verydemotivational.memebase.com/2010/12/01/demotivational-posters...
They can try and censor the
They can try and censor the Internet all they want but it will never succeed. It's an international thing that they no longer control and, even if they tried, other countries would cut us off and run independent. My how we're looking more and more like that axis of evil we claim to be fighting. I say if you didn't want it leaked you shouldn't have allowed it to get leaked in the first place. I also say all but the most sensitive of info (nuclear info, troop positions, and the like) should be released without even having to file a FOIA.
I agree with your conclusion.
I agree with your conclusion. This will lead to censorship of the internet. Good job, Bilderbergers.
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