Obama born in Kenya!!! Confirmed!!!
The biggest supporter of Obama's 'American citizenship,' former congressman and now Hawaii's new governor Neil Abercrombie, who was going to settle the matter 'once and for all,' has now admitted that he can find no evidence that Barky was born in Hawaii!!!
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=254401
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb--1AxmgZ8&feature=player_embedded#!
Now what?
Are the lunatic racist
Are the lunatic racist conspiracy loons who bought into this ridiculous paranoia now going to admit they were wrong and perhaps even apologize? No, of course not. Now they demand to see his school records, cos, y'know -- affirmative action. They cannot accept that a person with some African heritage legitimately got into Columbia and Harvard, let alone was legitimately elected and is legitimately our president.
Make no mistake, while this is partly rooted in far right loons being willing to believe anything about a Democratic president -- remember all the lunatic conspiracy theories surrounding the Clintons -- it is sent into overdrive by racism. The election of a half black man to the office of president broke a lot of racists' brains.
So, to the conspiracy theorists above: will you now admit he's legit and maybe even apologize?
Yes, people who think Obama
Yes, people who think Obama is not American are racist, conspiracy theory mongering loons. If you want to throw your lot in with them, then the rest of us will know where you stand. Of course, your support for the racist Ron Paul (check out his old newsletters) already tells us what we need to know.
All of this is just as silly
All of this is just as silly as what went on this week in DC. You can say what you want but the fact that he is black is what is wrong with most of who do no like him. He cannot undo in two years what took 8 to get here.
All of this is scary including the Tea Party that was willing to hold us all hostage and possibly put us in default.
Why is it so hard for some
Why is it so hard for some people to say "I was wrong"? Is it because, if you say that, it will indicate that you aren't perfect? Poor baby.
Still a birther?! Wow. That
Still a birther?! Wow. That is crazy.
How about the moon landing -- y'know, that was fake too. And don't believe that liberal media pc lie that the world is actually round. You and Pamela Geller can keep doubting that Obama is American; the rest of us will just sadly shake our heads.
Buzz you are bearing false
Buzz you are bearing false witness.
The title of this post is a lie.
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
Why do you keep trying to convince everyone he wasn't?
We really need a huge push
We really need a huge push for universal mental health services and mental health services for more people. Birthers are incredibly delusional and have lost touch with reality. When no amount of evidence would be considered acceptable and tens of thousands of people, many with conflicting interests such as Republicans, are deemed to be part of the conspiracy and all this effort exerted for one man to be president (what makes him so special to go through all this effort anyway? he's not doing anything that radical for a president or Democrat), you seem to attribute superhuman powers over this person/group. I mean, they can't even find Bin Laden or kill Gadhafi but they can coordinate this? And they can go to these lengths but can't manage to forge a birth certificate more convincingly with the CIA at their disposal?
Dislike Obama for his policies, plenty of others do. Don't attack his eligibility in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Stop lying Buzz
Stop lying Buzz
Just because others lie,
Just because others lie, doesn't make it OK for one to do the same.
President Obama released his
President Obama released his long form original birth certificate.
Now what? Now nothing. Look,
Now what? Now nothing. Look, I think Obama is a pretty bad president. But he's an American. We elected him, because we had great hopes that he was something different. He is; he's the least qualified American to be president since who knows who. But he's an American. No one can PROVE he was born elsewhere -- if it even mattered. He's not going away. And there's every chance in the world he's going to be reelected despite it all. Those who desire otherwise better find a more constructive avenue of criticism than his birth certificate.
Dotherighthing4 To date, I’ve
Dotherighthing4
To date, I’ve pretty much believed the same thing as Strange1, in that it seemed to be a non issue. However, you presented one of the best arguments thus far and found myself seeing another possible piece of the puzzle.
My greatest curiosity is in your statement that “his mother live here on U.S. soil for 10 years continually and be 5 years past the age of 14 to confer citizenship.” I tried searching for confirmation of this and found nothing, was wondering if you could provide a link to this information.
There was a couple of pieces found that was interesting. The first, was that Hawaii was not a state when he was born and secondly, nearly 50% of all the births on the Islands were home deliveries, which would not have been officially recorded in a State that did not exist.
As to the issue of sealed records, it is obvious that over the last 12 years, the level of secrecy has increased dramatically with regard to the Presidency and has become of serious concern for anyone seeking transparency. Not only the sealing of previous records but Presidential records for generations.
Your presentation shines a penetrating light upon this man’s past and would explain much in not only how he got here but who is behind his meteoric assent to the Presidency. Only someone specifically chosen, closely curried and broadly protected could come this far and fast without being tripped up on technicalities.
As for our alleged political representative, including “all the elected Republicans plus Glen Beck, Bill O'reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity , etc, etc, etc would be all over it and have Obama out in a minute”, is a false premise. Since all are owned and manipulated by the very people who put Obama in office.
It’s the kind of power that can airdrop an unknown stealth candidate into Washington by talking peace, who then increases war while murdering democracy. Men who control not only the media in this country and make them lapdogs, but own and control our political process as well.
It is the kind of power that when a Senator like former Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel was getting ready to run against the Bush gang, he was called to a meeting at the White House. A meeting that resulted in Hagel announcing he would not only drop his bid for the Presidency but would not seek re-election at the end of his senatorial term, an announcement with no explanation and no follow up, resulting in a departure without notice.
Now that’s real power, the kind that runs our world today and puts in place only those chosen to be worthy, through proven years of complete obedience.
Who gives a rat's patootie
Who gives a rat's patootie about this. .In fact, if there was any chance it could be proven he is not a citizen, the Repubs in the congress and Senate would be all over it and have him outta there in a New York minute. I feel sorry for this dead horse.
Yatiri Now that you’ve
Yatiri
Now that you’ve effectively yelled FIRE in the theatre, someone needs to hold you accountable.
You have yet to answer the question “Whose Lie?”. Theirs, ours, yours?
Every statement you made, everyone can agree with, since lies are destructive and need held accountable. But to just make generalizations and sweeping claims is in no way beneficial to the discussion at hand and is in fact detrimental to the flow of the thread. We hope that was not your intent.
The citizenship issue is a valid concern, along with records release of all kinds. In the last three presidencies the sealing of records the burying of documents and the secrecy in all kinds of affairs has become a mudslide, covering many crimes and transgressions.
The entire citizenship issue is a mute point, since he was born of a US citizen, which means, under current US law he is technically an American citizen. Yes the Constitution says “Natural Born” and hairs will be split until the cows come home on what our founding fathers meant by it. But until we amend the Constitution with more clear language, the issue falls back to current US law and legal precedent, which implies citizenship regardless of where he was born, since his mother was a US citizen.
Today’s Presidency enjoys nearly complete dictatorial powers that can be activated at a moments notice, complements of George the H and his pose’. Eight years of executive orders and nearly a thousand signing statements that forever changed the Presidency from a third leg of a democratic structure to the El’Presidente’ it is today.
The entire issue of Obama’s citizenship is a ruse by the regressive powers, to keep the masses they control busy. Because when you’re busy screaming about something that is a non-issue they have little time to think about other things of more importance.
Obama is not rigorously
Obama is not rigorously honest, he does not have the Honor I speak of.
The statement: "B. Obama was born in Kenya" is a lie.
So again, repeating ad nauseum, all lies are despicable. Politics is no exception. Obama won't fully release everything, even Abercrombie couldn't do it without Obama's permission. So he is hiding something and therefore is not rigorously honest.
Both sides lie, spin, exaggerate, embellish and dissemble. I'm sick of it.
Give it a rest folks. You
Give it a rest folks. You have a black president and he will be with you until at least 2012. If there was proof that he isn't a qualified candidate then all the elected Republicans plus Glen Beck, Bill O'reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity , etc, etc, etc would be all over it and have Obama out in a minute. Just let it go, and pick someone of your choice for 2012 and back him/her and hope for the best (in your opinion). That is what I am going to do.
why is it every time someone
why is it every time someone raises a question regarding eligibility, there are attempts to shut them up by throwing the race card. This has nothing to do with his race but everything to do with following the guidelines set forth in the Constitution. John McCain had to prove his eligibility; George Bush had to show his Birth certificate...why not Obama? Why has he spent $2Million to prevent disclosure. It is obvious from reading these comments that all of you are grossly uninformed on requirements for "Natural Born Citizenship"--this would require that his mother live here on U.S. soil for 10 years continually and be 5 years past the age of 14 to confer citizenship. Since she was only 18 when she gave birth she does not fulfill this requirement. Additionally, His father was a British subject which would make him at the very least a dual citizen. Thirdly, when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro he was registered as an Indonesian citizen in Indonesia. Only Indonesian citizens were permitted to attend school in that country. There are no papers on record where he ever applied to reacquire his American citizenship upon returning to the United States. It is very possible we have an Illegal Alien in the White House. He is ineligible on possibly many, many fronts. In January, Tim Adams, Senior elections clerk in Hawaii from May 2008-Sept 2008 came forward and gave a sworn affidavit that NO LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE exists and that neither hospital has any record of his birth. He doesn't produce it because he CAN'T!!! As for the newspaper announcements--40% of all births in Hawaii in the 1960s were home births. Registrations of the births were made by parents or grandparents by making application. This application/registration triggered the newspaper announcement. The day his announcement appeared there were births spanning a 9 day date range. Additionally the address listed in the announcement was the grandparent's address. It is very likely his mother had the baby Obama in Kenya, called her mother and asked her to register the baby which triggered the announcement. Very innocent and I would have done the same thing.
As for Obama's sealed records. The first Executive Order Obama signed after taking office was 13489. Check it out for yourself.
All this and SO MUCH MORE but people would rather call names than discuss all the irregularities surrounding this guy.
It is obvious that the facts
It is obvious that the facts are of no interest to you. Hoaxes and smoke screens are.
The truth shall set us
The truth shall set us free.......
Those who defend Obama seem to ignore the volumes of circumstantial evidence that walks, talks and quacks. Why are all of his records sealed, what is he hiding? Why is his every action of a Socialist plan? Nationalizing and taking control of GM, Health care, banking, insurance, education, and the list goes on.........he is not working for the Republic, he is out to fundamentally change the Republic to a Demonocracy. How can any understanding American defend these actions? Useful idiots, suffering equally in the end........if you are offended, you might consider what you are. Stalin's words, not mine.
We can't have dialogue
We can't have dialogue without a rigorous commitment to the truth.
I'm tired of the lies and dissembling.
Repeating a lie over and over again doesn't make it true.
Repeating which lie over and
Repeating which lie over and over again?
I had the same question. Who
I had the same question. Who is lying and what specifically was said that was a lie?
Does it matter which side is
Does it matter which side is lying if the detriment is to the truth and to rational dialogue?
Are the lies from one side somehow justified? Is it OK for my side to dissemble and spin to win the political contest even though our Nation becomes more and more divided?
Is it only one side that lies? My opponents lie, but my allies always are rigorously truthful?
You ask me what lies, who are you accusing of lying? I say all lies and liars. They are all the same, and all that lying does is kill conversation and dialogue.
And without rational conversation and dialogue among honest folk our Nation becomes more and more divided.
But of course that is what political activists seek for they thrive and flourish when we are divided.
OK. So you just wanted to say
OK. So you just wanted to say down to liars and lies? I'm with you on that! What seemed odd was that your post seemed to imply that I or the original poster or both had lied. I didn't intentionally lie so I was asking who you thought had lied and what specifically about to see if there was something I unintentionally got wrong. But if you were just talking generally and not about anyone in this thread specifically, I guess I shouldn't worry.
Listen, people who are
Listen, people who are forthright and honest are refreshing.
If you are a an honest man with Honor, why should you worry? Honest men don't lie ever because they value their Honor. If they pass along false information unintentionally, they come back and acknowledge their mistake correcting themselves.
"His word is good enough for me." "We shook on it, he will do what he said he would do." That sort of Honor is only earned by those who are rigorously honest, Folks who don't repeat falsehoods and take care with the truth at all times and in all situations. Politics should not be an exception. Propaganda is lying. Both parties are bereft of honest, honorable men.
Nobody can take a man's Honor, he has to throw it away by lying.
Even if it were true that he
Even if it were true that he was not born on American soil, isn't birth to an American citizen all that is required to be a natural born citizen (as opposed to naturalized after birth as immigrants do) and be eligible to be president? I think the founders just didn't want the Austrian-citizenship-born Hitlers to come rule their adopted country as I believe happened in Germany (obviously not that specific example since that had't happened yet). Had Ben Franklin had a kid in a Paris hospital while serving as an ambassador, you're telling me the son of that great statesman wouldn't be eligible? What about someone who was on vacation overseas two months before her due date and goes into early labor? Her kid has to pay because she took a little break before she expected to have a child? Yet a foreigner could give birth while on vacation and then go home and her kid would be eligible (after coming back for the required 10 years)? I think it's most fair to just go by citizenship at birth, not citizenship and place of birth. If it's not that way in the constitution, maybe we should amend it to say that.
I also don't understand
I also don't understand this.... Obama's mother was born in Kansas, so I'm assuming she was a U.S. citizen at the time Obama was born. That makes Obama a citizen of the United States regardless of his place of birth, does it not? If the wish was that they be born on U.S. soil, shouldn't it have been worded "native born" instead?
The exact text in the
The exact text in the Constitution says "natural born Citizen" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States). The contention seems to be primarily that he was born in Kenya AND that a "natural born Citizen" must be born on US soil. I personally believe he was born in Hawaii and that a "natural born Citizen" means Citizen at birth and not Citizen by naturalization, so either way he's legit in my book.
I think just saying "born Citizen" didn't flow as well in sentence form (and even then born could be interpreted to mean something other than the birth of an infant such as a born-again Christian) so they put natural in there to make it sound better. Native born and natural born mean the same thing to me so I don't think that slight change would have helped.
Since "natural born Citizen" is not defined and is subject to interpretation, I'd be willing to give this a loose interpretation so as to be as inclusive as possible while excluding the people the framers really wanted to block from holding the office - truly foreign-birthed children of foreign-citizened parents that might immigrate, naturalize, and rise to power to control our military yet still harbor allegiance towards their native land. I can't imagine a US citizen from birth but physically born overseas but still meeting the 14 year residency requirement was keeping the framers up at night nor should it keep any of us up today.
What this boils down to is splitting hairs and grasping at straws by those who couldn't keep Obama out of office at the ballot box. You'll have your chance again in less than two years and I don't see what good a continued debate on this issue does for anyone. I actually voted for a third party candidate myself, in case you're wondering. I neither condemn nor worship Obama. Constitutionally, he only enforces the law anyway. It's the legislative branch that creates the law that we should be more concerned with.
As I understand it, a child
As I understand it, a child born unto an "illegal" while in the US is eligible for the presidency under both your and my interpretation so I'm not sure where you're going with that example. I'm not for illegals being here and using public services but I can empathize with many of their situations and think we need a better immigration process to allow more to find a legal path towards residency and/or citizenship. Solve the latter and the former issue isn't as significant.
Language is an art and specific words are chosen and written in a particular order not just for meaning but for their help in making the sentence easy to read and accessible to the citizenry. I again say that a child of a US citizen who is a citizen by birth but happened to be overseas at birth surely was not what the framers intended to deny access to the presidency. An even better question than what their intention was is what we today think it should say. Shouldn't a US citizen by birth be eligible for the presidency? If so, we need to either interpret it that way or amend it.
We are governed by laws interpreted by men (and women). I believe most "birthers" hold this as a personal matter and are attempting to use the legal system for that purpose. So it's personal matter that is being made legal in my opinion. Not that that's necessarily so wrong, what legal matter isn't personal to the parties involved? I believe the majority of Americans interpret the Constitution to allow citizens by birth (including those who hold dual-citizenship) to be president and that they believe sufficient evidence to exists that he was born in Hawaii. I agree that believing is not knowing but neither of us can know the truth. Since we weren't there, we have to accept (or reject) as evidence the word of those who claim to have personal knowledge. I happen to believe the official story because of the credibility of evidence in support of that and the unlikeliness that so many people would get in on this conspiracy to alter official records in so many places without someone spilling the beans for some unknown personal benefit to them or their cause. I also believe he as a citizen by birth is eligible anyway. In both of those regards, we'll just have to agree to disagree it seems.
FERPA is actually why his college records are sealed. There is a federal law that prevents disclosure of college records. Obama himself wouldn't possess those records. He might be able to ask for their disclosure but the college wouldn't be obligated to do so and may even then still not be allowed to do so. I'm not a FERPA expert. However, there will always be some document that someone will want disclosed and will claim something is being hidden because it's not disclosed. If it weren't college records, it'd be employment history, birth certificate, 30-year-old tax forms, baptismal certificate, old passports, dental records, testicular cancer screening report, etc. Can we compile a list of all required documentation in order to be president? I'd like to see how many former or future presidents could meet all the requirements we keep adding and I'd hate to think how Facebook transcripts might be demanded of a president 30 years from now.
FERPA is the Family
FERPA is the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act that was passed in 1974 to keep college student's transcripts, financial data, disciplinary reports, and other records protected from being accessed by employers, the public, parents, and pretty much anyone other than the student. Some of those records even the student cannot access, although that might be by school policy as I think FERPA only says what cannot be disclosed to certain people, not what must be disclosed to others.
I vaguely know of that Executive Order you mentioned. FERPA isn't it but I don't know what it's name is. Do Executive Orders carry over from one president to the next? Interesting that Bush and Obama are accused of sealing their records. Guess that shows it's a bipartisan matter to hide your records while vilifying the other side for not opening theirs. Ah what complex creatures we be.
I think Arizona is traditionally a red state anyway so Obama being off the ballot there shouldn't impact the election overall. Interesting post and I hadn't heard that. Sounds like it hasn't passed yet, though. Any idea on the likelihood of it passing? At least here in IL, only like 10% of proposed laws actually get enacted into law I believe.
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