Police State

In a recent January 4, 2012 article in the News Gazette, titled, “Tensions over June 5 arrest still at a boil”, it was reported that tensions between the Champaign police department and some of the city’s leadership, was continuing to escalate over the brutal arrest of a jaywalker.

We see in this situation, the primary threat to our democratic way of life and the freedoms for which millions have given the ultimate sacrifice to maintain. Wherein an evolving police state now rises in earnest and begins to challenge those who would dare question their authority over us all.

There is no defining moment when America began this decline into an authoritarian regime, no single event that changed the course of our society. It can however be stated with some certainty that when our police ceased to be those who “Protect and Serve” and became “Enforcement”, we created an alternate belief system that now empowers and emboldens a new generation.

Our local Enforcement agencies are today based upon military style tactics, militarized systems and ultra secure communications, wherein a “them-and-us” paradigm is created. It is a highly profitable lifestyle with pay in the upper income levels of our society, comprised of cloistered members who are more than willing to “watch the back” of their fellow comrades and agencies, while having little fear of oversight or inquiry.

With the introduction of the PATRIOT Act that stripped Americans of their Constitutional rights and subsequent Czar of Homeland Security who controls something called the NSA (National Security Agency), a seamless Gestapo style apparatus has been created. An integrated and highly secure National Enforcement system that accounts to no one and cannot be overseen by the citizens it dominates.

Under the ruse of “Terrorism”, a megalithic system of control and domination has been created, now culminating in the military’s recent ability to hold indefinitely, without charges or notification of location, any citizen the government deems is an enemy of the state. In addition, Federal legislation is currently being introduced that would strip the citizenship from those who would be a threat to the state.

Our military, has over the last 10 years of Middle East warfare, created many weapons for urban conflict that are now well tested and have been distributed among the three military brigades now permanently assigned to American soil.

Some of these urban control weapons are now being offered to local Enforcement and Federal funding continues to flow, so as to assure complete penetration of all communities across the country. Systems and processes rarely mentioned, never talked about and closely guarded as secret.

There is a reason why Enforcement does not want citizen review groups. Why laws are in place that make it a crime to record in any manner, the public activities of Enforcement personnel. And why citizens are not allowed to monitor or audit the secure communications that empower the secret world of Enforcement.

To question or challenge this growing power is to invite scrutiny of your life. I would advise the City of Champaign leadership to tread carefully in these matters and if they choose to continue, be prepared to become “a person of interest” as I have. To expect tapped communications, inquired accounts and acquaintances interviewed, as none of these today require warrants by Enforcement when dealing with threats against the state.

And according to Federal Governmental guidelines for local Enforcement training, anyone who challenges authority, makes references to Constitutional Rights and questions official governmental explanations of events, is to be classified as a threat to the state.

So the next time you have to stop at a Enforcement roadblock, euphemistically called a “roadside check”, just do as your told, provide the proper papers, answer the questions without a hint of resentment in being detained without probable cause and just maybe you’ll be allowed to go on about your business.

“"At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”” ~ Abraham Lincoln (January 27, 1838)

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Penteller wrote on February 12, 2012 at 2:02 pm

How dare they! Haven’t they studied the Federal guidelines, wherein anyone espousing “Constitutional Rights” is to be classified as a person of interest and possible terrorist? - Offical Homeland Security Souse.

Every once in awhile, there is a faint ray of hope in the evolving police state, wherein some brave souls stand up against the rise in tyranny, placing themselves on the list of subversives to be interned when martial law occurs.

And what kind of media reported this event? Was it our lapdog media of American journalism? No it was from afar, it was the former Soviet Propaganda machine Pravda, that told of our brave Sheriffs who came from around the country to begin their struggle against the tyrannical rise, which now endangers our lives.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/03-02-2012/120412-america_sheriffs_obama-0/

But then we don’t need any stinking Sheriffs meddling in citizens rights, as all will be fine when the drones watch us all with an eagle eye and owl ears. Silent, unseen drones who watch our every move, using software that determines those of us who do suspicious things, who will be gathered up by someone from another place and held indefinitely without notification of location or trial.
http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/09/congress-approves-30000-spy-drones-over-america-as-us-police-state-tightens/

And don’t you dare stock up on rations for any kind of cataclysmic event, because you would now be labeled as a terrorist for wanting your family to be able to eat in a disaster.
http://www.infowars.com/feds-label-bulk-buying-of-food-a-potential-terrorist-activity/

DLEmerick wrote on February 14, 2012 at 12:02 pm

Hyperbolic, indeed, are the above persons, in their honest opinions.

A police state is one thing, a policed state quite another.

There is a fine, nuanced, well reasoned difference between the two, a difference easy to dismiss, if you pay no attention to details, like the rule of law, of what it implies, so vastly, to humanity and its rights.

Yes, I quite agree, for instance, that the Homeland Security laws, the so-called "Patriot Act" infringes upon Constitutionally protected rights.

Butr, that is not the end of the question, but the beginning of an argument, a public debate, as to whether We the People prefer to surrender some of our ideas of our rights, temporarily, to be sure, in order to achieve greater security for the rest of our rights?

I have a right, for instance, to live without fear that a terrorist will wantonly kill me.

That is a right far more important to me than my right to be free of many of the intrusions upon my liberty that the Patriot Act invites.

So, what is the balance, in a democracy, of authority, responsibility and liberty?

We are not anything other than a democracy, a democratic republic --

we are not anything at all like a police state -- despite all of the overly emotional, less than rational hyperbole of the preceding writers.

sameeker wrote on February 21, 2012 at 6:02 pm

When has a right ever been restored after being taken from the people? There are so many miniscule laws that the police can use to stop and question you for. If you assert your right not to tell them ehre you have been, what you are doing and where you are going, you get arrested for resisting. This is indeed a police state whether you want to admit it or not.

buzorro wrote on February 21, 2012 at 10:02 pm

Good point.  Our rights were never given to us, we had to fight to get them.

 

Which president was it that said that when we have a government that fears us, that is a democracy, but when we have a givernment that we fear, that is tyranny (or fascism).  Sounds like something Jefferson would say.

 

IMHO, again we get the government that we deserve.  For decades any politician that didn't stress how 'tough on crime' he was was unelectable.  So step-by-step, tougher laws got tougher, long prison sentences got longer, the police wielded more and more power, their power became more militarized.  And the courts fell in right line as well, making it easier on the police (declaring that they don't legally have to protect you) and harder on the perp, which resulted in half of death row inmates being found to be innocent after the discovery of DNA abilities, besides filling our prisons with those who didn't hve the means to hire a lawyer, as well as non-violent, victimless offenders.

 

It's a monster of our own creation and apathy sustains it. 

Penteller wrote on February 26, 2012 at 10:02 am

DLEmerick

“The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." Hermann Goering, the Nazi Reichsmarshall,  April 18, 1946.

You spoke volumes my friend when you stated “I have a right, for instance, to live without fear that a terrorist will wantonly kill me. That is a right far more important to me than my right to be free of many of the intrusions upon my liberty that the Patriot Act invites.”

Your statement is exactly the intended programming of the masses that has been achieved through false flag events, propagated by manipulated media and underscored by dictatorial laws. A widespread belief by much of the population, ingrained in a people now suckling from a drugged bottle, supplied by a nanny state that has wrapped the population in the warm blanket of false security.

In one of the posts by Buz, he questioned your use of the language. I would go one step further and congratulate you on your use of the language in the subject at hand and must say you have a very illuminating way of presenting your view.

But whether it is an Iron fist or a velvet glove, anytime those who are enforcers have complete powers over the citizenry, a citizenry with no oversight or auditing capabilities of those powers, it is a police state.

Powers that are hidden behind a media that extols their virtues every day and never investigates their transgressions. A media that loves to show images of police attack dogs being demonstrate to assembled children lined up in a fenced playground. A media that extols the virtues of gun carrying officers teaching our children in how Drugs Are Really Excellent and calling it prevention. All designed to train the population in how you must obey or be punished.

This training that now begins at the earliest ages and continues into adulthood through the use of roadblocks, tazers and for-profit re-educational programs, is endorsed by the vast majority of the population through the belief, “We the People prefer to surrender some of our ideas of our rights, temporarily, to be sure, in order to achieve greater security for the rest of our rights."

In that statement, you have defined the very essence of a false security, because without the belief in our primary rights and the practice of them, there is no freedom in anything. And temporary? What a quaint Illuminati hyperbole indeed, and it is of course temporary, when viewed from afar in the generational plan still unfolding. Rights never to be regained.

Yes, all of this is a debate we should be having, but will not and cannot, so long as there are leaders like yourself who continue to repudiate this debate in being publicly aired and reported through the media. For to do so is to open the underbelly of this growing beast, something those who wish to rule cannot abide.

Meanwhile, hundreds die each year because it’s easier to pull a trigger than do physical work.
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/mary-shaw/41483/500-u-s-deaths-from-police-tasers-amnesty-calls-for-strict-guidelines

Then, when your daughter draws a gun on paper at school, the police continue the illusion of maintaining security by raiding your home.
http://www.therecord.com/news/local/article/676150--man-shocked-by-arrest-after-daughter-draws-picture-of-gun-at-school

And forget about protecting your neighborhood, that’s against the law because it would eventually lead to reductions in police departments and that cannot be allowed
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/21/new-hampshire-man-faces-felony-charge-after-firing-gun-into-ground-near-burglar/

Besides, there’s so much fun in using what is called “non lethal” gizmos that help keep the medical community employed.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101456865

And heaven help you if you decide to document animal abuse on an factory farm, you could spend the same time in jail as if you slapped a cop.
http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2012/02/utah-bill-videotaping-factory-farm-is.html

But then what do you expect from an enforcer group that is using more and more deadly force on unarmed citizens.
http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/23/police-use-of-excessive-force-by-bullet-on-the-rise-throughout-the-country/

And don’t even think about buying some cold medicine for your ill husband.
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/02/police-use-laws-to-paint-cold-med.html

To stop those cold medicine grannies... permanent roadblocks are now in order and in place to make the citizens feel even more “secure”.
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/02/city-mayor-gives-endorsement-to-soviet.html

Imagine if you will and I know it’s hard to believe - that big brother would lie to us about the spying they did on us? Naaa, can’t be true!
http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/24/documents-show-dhs-lied-to-congress-ab...

And folks wonder why people are afraid to speak their mind in places like this.

Move it along folks… Nothing to see here… Just go on home now and the Enforcers will take care of everything!

DLEmerick wrote on February 27, 2012 at 12:02 pm

I can  not, will not, should not be associated with any idea contrary to the rule of law.

I have to say that, my friends, even though I most strenuously oppose some of the bills  that have been enacted and might even be upheld by courts of law, even the most suspect court, the Supreme Court.

So, what is the rule of law, if courts, even high and highest courts do not say what it is?

The rule of law is reason, guided toward justice, recklessly disregarding power's demands, a rule full of humility and mercy.

That is why Bush v Gore, for example, was a travesty of the rule of law,

That is why every decision of the present Supreme Court is flawed, because they have no regard at all for the rule of law, in the formation of their opinions, in their very decisions.

Law enforcement is nonsense, a silly tyranny, but harmful, too, unless one looks to the oversight of it.  It is true, this proverb -- that armed people are a danger, not just to the State, but to anyone unarmed.  Police are armed but need they be?   And, even so, how?

Ther ideal of a civilized society is that one need not and should not be armed.

That is an ideal we venture ever further from, when we reinforce primal ideas of self protection, such as root in the NRA's doctrines, aqs against when the community's needs of self-protection, of subordination of individuality to collective need, are systematically ignored.

So, the Supreme Court ignores the rule of law, of reason itself.

How do respond, my friends?

Do we drop out?

Or, as I argue, do we stay active, politically, ever hoping to reason, to persuade others of what is reasonable, of what is right, in the light of reason?

 

DLEmerick wrote on February 27, 2012 at 12:02 pm

With some trepidation, I reply to my own comment.

I aim to re-inspire you, despite circumstantial evidence to the contrary.

What I believe matters, to this debate.

I believe, generally, in authority, and its agents.

Why I so believe, generally, is a complicated matter, of experience, education, evaluation.

It's a guarded matter, a standard of reason, even.

I believe, for instance, that the police are overwhelmingly committed to the rule of law, even if they sometimes adopt practices contrary to the reason of the rule of law, even if, then, they become illegal zealots.

For, so I believe, reason is ever stronger and more enduring than any present, even persisting, defect in its practice.

That is what hope, belief, in humanity entails, the idea of persistence in asserting what is right, what is decent, what is honorable and humane, what is justice.

The courts of conscience are never closed to such just appeals, even if we must repeatedly stand to call out the rightness of our views to minds once closed to our views.

buzorro wrote on February 27, 2012 at 6:02 pm

I can find nothing in your post to disagree with.

 

Yes, your beliefs and input matters.

 

You seem pretty guarded for whatever reason, I care not.

 

You posted correctly elsewhere that basically cops are merely mortals, they put on their pants one leg at a time.

 

I have observed a rather disturbing circumstance that you haven't touched on, and that is the increasing militarization of local police.  I understand that for many years now the federal government has been making alleged surplus military equipment available to local police forces and wonder if some cops might carry the 'soldier' image too far in response.

 

Contrary to the oft repeated adage that 'power corrupts,' I believe that is not necessarily so.  Rather, power provides the opportunity to be corrupt.  Mother Theresa (R.I.P.) won a Nobel Prize, yet undoubtedly had not a corrupt bone in her body.  Yet an un-named Conservation Officer is known to have the attitude that he would arrest his own mother, should there be any evidence, questionable or not,against her, just because he can.

 

I sincerely believe that the vast majority of police officers are mature, cool, calm, and collected.  But being human, some invariably are too quick to pull out the pepper spray or Tazer.  You don't have to search too deply in the internet to find videos of bad cops in action.  We just have to realize, as I think most do, that these are the exceptions to the norm.

 

In any case, DLE, carry on.  I do enjoy reading your thoughtful opinions and appreciate your input.

buzorro wrote on February 27, 2012 at 6:02 pm

Wow!  Where to begin?  How about at the beginning?  What made the US government unique among all other countries of the world is that ours was a government ruled by law, as opposed to rule by men.  So let's use as a starting point the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Firstly I would like to address your opening sentence, that you 'can not, will not, should not be associated with any idea contrary to the rule of law.'  Any 'idea?'  Really?  So, in your opinion, 'thought crimes' are legitimate?  Reading on, I assume that you are stating this in a tongue-in-cheek manner.  At least I hope so.  If you 'strenuously oppose' some laws that have been enacted and deemed to be legitimate by the courts, then you would seem to fit in the category of having thoughts that are, in your words, 'contrary to the rule of law.'  I dunno, maybe I'm being too nit-picky.  Sorry, I'm rather anxious to move on.

'...It is true, this proverb -- that armed people are a danger, not just to the State, but to anyone unarmed.'  Sorry again, but this is the first time in sixty years that I've heard a proverb that states that.  According to my understanding, our Founding Fathers provided the Second Amendment as a protection against tyranny, which they had experienced and, yes, can only be imposed by the State.  One of them stated, and I need to defrag my brain to be exact, that 'a government that fears it's citizens is a good government, a government that the citizens fear is tyranny.'  Others have said that the Right given by the Second Amendment protects all of the Rights of the others.  Furthermore, the 'Right to bear arms,' provided by the Second Amendment in the minds of those Founding Fathers wasn't limited to pistols, rifles, and shotguns.  They intended for the citizenry to have the same capabilities to defend the Constitution as those with even more powerful weapons who threatened it.  That point, however, is never discussed when debating gun control issues.  Of course those wise authors over two hundred years ago were well aware that there would be individuals that willingly murder people with guns, but the freedom for individuals to protect themselves and their country (the big picture) should not be sacrificed because of crazed individuals who have been present throughout mankinds history.

And to state that armed individuals are a threat to those unarmed is simply wrong.  In more recent times I believe it was Florida that enacted the first concealed-carry laws about a decade ago.  Of course there was the usual knee-jerk reaction by the media, which caused many people to likewise jerk their knees in response (just as they've been conditioned to do), that incidents of road-rage would escalate into shootouts, innocent people would die being mistaken for perps, etc.  But that didn't happen at all did it?  In fact, just the opposite outcome resulted.  Crime went down when thugs could no longer count on law-abiding citizens being unarmed.  A you should well know, Chicago-controlled Illinois now stands as the only state that doesn't permit law-abiding citizens a right to self-protection in some manner.  There are at least nine lengthy studies that have been publicized after going over all the pertinent data since Florida chose to decriminalize concealed-carry by law-abiding citizens.  It has simply become impossible to ignore the facts, NRA or any gun lobbying group notwithstanding.  To ignore the truth is to put yourself in peril.  Primal, indeed...  It seems that you're looking through rose-colored glasses, at least on this subject.  Reality is not constraining your idealism.

Logic must prevail over what one hopes or wishes.  I was once in a group that included our Sheriff.  I don't know why I assumed that he was against concealed-carry, but made some comment that he was.  He was quick to correct me on that point.  'Criminals have them, why shouldn't good citizens also?' he asked.  As I said...logic...  10,000,000 guns were sold in the US last year alone.  Ya think that you can 'wish' them away?

DLEmerick wrote on February 27, 2012 at 1:02 pm

To believe the law is wrong is one thing.

To belive it can be corrected is another.

To believe the State is mistaken, then, is an implication, of the above beliefs, but an incomplete argument, to be sure.

One has to reason, in such matters, dually, as it were, to ask basically a fundamental question, not as to how matters might be, ideally, but as to how good it might be, how good could it get?

Don't misunderstand my pragmatism.

Idealism guides me, realism constrains me, humility balances me to accept circumstances.

Yes, the police state is a potentiality, but it is an overfraught one, in the present facts, pure hyperbole, if you will, if you will go and talk to police officers.  Presently, and probably forever, they are just guys like you and me, just doing their jobs, as best they can, under the operating rules they have been given, by the guys over them, who are, so it happens, no more authoritarian than you or I may may be.

So, that's me.  I know the "system" personally, even if I don't like it and wish it were better and sometimes even say something relevant, to improve it.

 

I don't oppose it, would preserve it, and resent all those comments that are simply anarchistic, offering us no specific better idea of how things could be improved.

 

buzorro wrote on February 27, 2012 at 5:02 pm

You state:

 

'Idealism guides me, realism constrains me, humility balances me to accept circumstances.'

 

And



'So, that's me.  I know the "system" personally, even if I don't like it and wish it were better and sometimes even say something relevant, to improve it.'

 

Aren't you contradicting yourself?  By 'saying something relevant, to improve it,' then you're not 'accepting circumstances.'  Am I wrong?

Penteller wrote on March 02, 2012 at 10:03 pm

DLEMerick

"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -- Edmund Burke

Please understand that the following is delivered in the most compassionate way possible and with all do respect. But you have provided here, the greatest example of what Buz and myself have written about for years – the manipulation and control of the masses by powers unseen.

“I believe… police are overwhelmingly committed to the rule of law, even if they sometimes adopt practices contrary to the reason of the rule of law, even if, then, they become illegal zealots.” Say What? With that kind of logic the German Gestapo were the good guys, the USSR Stasis were great patriots and Saddam’s police were model law enforcement.

You must understand that the term “rule of law”,  a mantra of the Regressives for the last several years is just one of their many mind control tactics that helps crush descent. A programming so complete as to instill the un-American belief of; “I can  not, will not, should not be associated with any idea contrary to the rule of law”, even when those laws are unconstitutional.

This programming through thousands of hours of “entertaining” programming by the Regressive “talk” (we talk you listen) programs, creates a twisted perspective of “justice”. Wherein, “That is why every decision of the present Supreme Court is flawed, because they have no regard at all for the rule of law, in the formation of their opinions, in their very decisions.” Yet those who have been trained to believe this, never question or speak out against the enforcement of those laws.

“For, so I believe, reason is ever stronger and more enduring than any present, even persisting, defect in its practice.” Are you tell us that you will forever implicitly trust your government and have no intentions of questioning, what they may do to your fellow citizen? With this belief would you ever stand against tyranny, even as your friends and neighbors are persecuted?

“That is what hope, belief, in humanity entails, the idea of persistence in asserting what is right, what is decent, what is honorable and humane, what is justice.” With all due respect, the last time I heard such verbiage was when sharing a really great dubbie with some hippies. Do you really believe that decency of character will protect us from a police state? It’s never happen in the history of man, why would it start now?

“The courts of conscience are never closed to such just appeals, even if we must repeatedly stand to call out the rightness of our views to minds once closed to our views.” Wow! Not only do the courts of conscience close, but the wildings that follow are universally devastating. Throughout history, dictatorial regimes not only destroy those who would question their authority, but instill in those who are the most murderous a sense of righteousness in their cause.

“offering us no specific better idea of how things could be improved.” You could not be more wrong, for it is not we that offer little, but it is those who will not see that are the roadblocks to improvement. For in these pages we offer the greatest of all possibilities, because until those who do not believe, fully comprehend or understand the dangers, there will only be further degradation. In short, like any dysfunctional situation, until we the people recognize we have a problem, there can be no recovery - only further destruction.

Once again I must confess, you’re words are most Illuminated.

So how can you tell if you’re living in a police state? The laws being passed are designed for absolute control of the population with no recourse of redress by the people. Not only are these laws regularly passed, but the lapdog media never barks or even bothers to look up from the authoritarian hand that feeds them, to warn the people of impending dangers.

Then to ensure that the masses are well trained to submit, today, 1 in 3 young people will be arrested by the time they are 23 years old. And how does this happen? By making everything illegal and therefore a boom business to the ENFORCEMENT industry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFfVeXhtRa0

On the political front, if you want to just hold a sign in opposition to some political person who is visiting your local town, just showing up at the event where secret service agents are present, can make you a felon.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/01/hr-347-how-did-another-assault-on-our-rights-slip-through-without-anybody-noticing/

And how Ironic, a Bradbury calling for indefinite detention of Americans who are a “threat” against the Federal Government.
http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/01/bush-era-torture-architect-calls-for-indefinite-detention-of-americans/

As a total war state, whose sole purpose is the perpetration of infinite warfare - indefinite martial law will be the norm of those who question authority.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gLADODCllM&feature=g-all&context=G2023338FAAAAAAAAMAA
 

DLEmerick wrote on March 25, 2012 at 1:03 pm

The question is a matter of faith, non-religious, to be sure, but of simple faith, of how you regard others, faceless, unknown, perhaps unknowable.

You can say, perhaps, that I beleive in nothing that is not me.  Or, you can follow me, not in a leap of logic, but in a leap of faith, that others are necessarily just like you and me, fully equal, in every sense, or not?

As a liberal, I most firmly believe in the idea of equality, and the rule of reason, the rule of law, itself, as a consequence -- for reason says our differing interests must be balanced, because we are equal; and the rule of law informs itself well when it makes that fact of reason efficiently operational, effective in a society.  How do we differ, how do we agree?

(By the way, the fact that I absolutely believe that guns are dangerous only goes to the questions of responsibility, of how we might allocate the burdens of them, by the choices we make.  I'm not against gun rights; indeed, I think many gun control laws are simply ill conceived, follish, such as those in Chicago, certainly those in DC, for plain examples.  That does not at all mitigate the idea of responsibility, of responsible persons -- and, there, in every right, to be responsible, you find the duty to be so, as well.  But, all that is merely obvious, in the logic of the circumstances, that responsibility may be individualistic, in practice, as an ideal, but, in fact, has to be enforced, by a society, to be taken seriously.)  That's what informs the idea of self government, that some selves infamously fail at it.)

Hinted at, in my parenthesized seque, is just this idea, about faith in others -- can you really trust yourself, can you do what you know is just and right, or are you not only tempted to do what you know is wrong, but actually sometimes doing what you know is wrong?

I do not trust myself to always do what I know is right, and I know, too, that I've not always done what the right would demand of me.

Maybe you're a person who has never so sinned.  God bless, if so.

But, if you're a mere mortal like me, then maybe, too, you'e a bit more humble, a bit more willing to accept that others should have some say about your actions, your motives, your influences upon others.

That's what the rule of law supplies.  Yes, law is a tyrrany, a tyrrany of the many against the one, the guy or gal who has no regardingness for the interests of any other; law is a tyrrany, thus said, only because of the merciless logic of mere rhetorical manipulations, that ever operate to oppress reason.

It is the extraneous force, of love, perhaps, that guides reason, to find the right rules of law, never supposing the presently expressed orders of law are themselves right, just, ever recognizing the differences, between individual interests and collective interests, and yet finding in them common ground, because, at the end of the day, at every dawn, throughout life, we must, so I believe, find ways to live with one another.

Those ways are the rule of law, abstractly taken, regardless of what the present rules of law may hapopen to be.

So, I am medieval, romantic, idealistic, even absolutistically so.  Law is not made by man, but discoverable by him, and, even so, not perfectly discovered (for, I believe, no man has the mind of the alleged God, the alleged author of evolution, which causes all things to be as they may happen to be, unless a freely willing being (anyone?) causes things to be otherwise... LoL.)

Penteller wrote on March 07, 2012 at 12:03 am

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Penteller wrote on March 31, 2012 at 5:03 pm

“Faith is not knowledge” – Chillingworth, religion of Protestants, pp 66

All of your words are nice and pretty and in Nirvana make all the sense in the world, a world I would love to live in and be a part of. However, that is not where we are, nor is it the future into which we are headed and to ignore this future and believe otherwise is to condemn ourselves in once again repeating history, as we always do – allowing the psychopaths’ who wear the mask of sanity to brutalize everyone to the point of social collapse.

So as the masses now abandon this public square of debate, made possible through cyber technologies, for a world of inbreed Narcissistic FaceBook hedonism, the potential of opening the mind through social debate is lost. What was once a great potential of social creativity is now a cyber ghost land, abandoned by nearly everyone and operated by a dying industry who thinks they are in the “newspaper” business. An industry who is no longer a part of the solution but the problem.

This abandoning of the American people to the predators, is something the public is well aware of and begins in earnest to ignore the “official” channels because they no longer tell us what we need to know.
http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/30/cnn-loses-half-its-viewers-corporate-media-downhill-plunge-continues-as-alternative-media-explodes/

In fact the lap dog media now masquerading as a viable news source, never even looks up from his masters lap to warn of the impending doom, allowing everyday tidbits like the following to remain un-reported, furthering the publics ignorance and false sense of security. But then you can’t blame them, since the FED’s are going after anyone who challenges their rule over us all.
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/03/30/corporate-media-silent-lawuit-ndaa-silence-journalists-109161/

Then to create the illusions of security, we subject ourselves and loved ones to radiation and molestation at our airports by government goons, who now expand their powers through roadblocks and other transportation systems.
http://www.blacklistednews.com/TSA_continues_to_expand_operations_outside_of_airports_with_VIPR_teams_/18714/0/0/0/Y/M.html

In helping these Eichmann’s, all kinds of special phone apps, FBI wannabe programs and internet pages allow for everyday citizens to report the suspicious activities of acquaintances and loved ones
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Police_Yourself%3A_The_spread_of_%E2%80%9CSuspicious_Activity_Reporting%E2%80%9D/18715/0/38/38/Y/M.html

Suspicious Activities that can even include the support of certain politicians, putting you on a list of “persons of interest”.
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=18324&title=if-you-support-ron-paul-in-texas-you-are-being-investigated-for-possibly-supporting-militias

But then this is what dying imperial nations do that are being questioned of their war crimes, where torturing people to death in secret integration camps is the norm that now have participating countries who actually have a conscience, beginning to confess their association with the war criminals.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/31/cia-secret-prison-polish-_n_1393385.html

Of course all of this is overseen by the Beast, who knows everything that you do, where you are and can summon every imaginable Orwellian resource to crush you at any time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ACxmo5czzo

But then you have nothing to fear, because as you walk down a Chicago street, “the” most “security wired” city in the world, new ENFORCEMENT systems will not only be able to seamlessly  track your every move in both public and commercial space, but new systems will allow you to be instantly recognized among 36 million faces per second. And of course your Facebook account, that has all your friends and families picture in them, will allow them to instantly know who is with you as well and their relationship to you.
http://endthelie.com/2012/03/23/new-big-brother-facial-recognition-system-scans-36-million-faces-per-second/

Besides, your Facebook account is more than just an ENFORCEMENT tool, it can now be your Employer’s tool to beat you deeper into submission and make you think twice about challenging their domination of your life.
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/03/28/congress-decides-employers-d...

You should always remember that if you challenge a police state, dire consequences happen, like having your children taken from you.
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/03/parents-refuse-to-vaccinate-newborn.html
Or they may just shot you and keep it simple.
http://breakthematrix.com/civil-liberties/michigan-father-killed-marijuana-child-removal-incident/
And don’t even think about taking pictures, even as a student on a photo assignment.
http://articles.philly.com/2012-03-26/news/31240585_1_police-officer-cops-misdemeanor
Then to ensure that the troops are well motivated, competitive challenges are issued in creating crimes to justify employment.
http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/new_haven_cty/email-troopers-plan-ticket-blitz
As for our ENFORCERS training - as the premier ENFORCMENT group, the FBI sets the pace and they’re on track for what is to come.
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/03/28/fbi-training-teaches-agents-bend-suspend-law-107812/\
All newsworthy tidbits, easily available over the last 5 days, for those willing to look beyond today’s media lapdog’s, who are owned by those who rule our lives.

Local Yocal wrote on May 07, 2012 at 7:05 pm

In light of the recent controversies over the behavior of some Champaign Police officers, it may be wise to review a few rules when confronted by a police officer. In the interest of citizen safety, these following guidelines were developed while living as a poor person and having had numerous police contacts:


1) Upon immediate sight of an approaching police officer either on foot or in a squad car,
put your hands up, palms facing the officer, in a similar gesture that you would use as if you were being robbed.
2) Keep your hands up like in Step 1 during your entire encounter with the officer and stay perfectly still. Remember the officer is armed with a deadly weapon, in addition to a baton and pepper spray. You don't know if the officer is in the middle of a divorce, or is on steroids, just returned from Iraq, enjoys getting violent, or has a mental problem. Keeping your hands up where they can see them will reassure the officer you mean no harm.
3) When answering questions from the officer, talk slowly and clearly, like you would to a 5-year-old bully.  Maintaining eye contact and speaking slowly will help the officer understand what is going on before them: that you are an unarmed pedestrian who is expected to be seen shortly by other humans.
4) If the officer demands personal identification, do not move and keep your hands up, and don't reach for your wallet until:
    a) You've explained slowly where the wallet is on your person (i.e. "my wallet is in my back pocket")
    b) You've asked permission to retrieve your wallet from the pocket
    c) While keeping your hands up, turn to the side and explain to the officer what you are   about to do. (i.e. "Okay, I'm going to reach into my back pocket now and with only two fingers and I'm going to slowly pull my wallet out. May I do this, sir?")
    d) Wait until the officer gives you permission to begin retrieving your wallet. Remember to keep your other hand up. You will notice that most police officers have had their hand gently resting on their gun or on the pepper spray. That's why it is important to move slowly at all times and concentrate on keeping your hands where they can see them at all times. If two officers are stopping you, maintain eye contact with the officer who is speaking. Do not look at the other "quiet, menacing officer" who is just standing there with his hands on his weapons, for he may intimidate you and make you lose concentration. Think of the quiet officer as a very dangerous dog who may attack at any moment. As long as you move slowly and do what the speaking officer tells you to do, the quiet officer won't bite.
5) If one of the officers has been shining a blinding flashlight in your eyes, you are probably in the presence of a hostile rogue officer. It's important not to complain about the flashlight and looking down eases the pain on your eyes. If the light is preventing you from complying with the speaking officer's demands, explain slowly that you can't see to complete the order, punctuating your sentences with "sir" as often as possible.
6) Once your wallet is out, present it like you would a plate of food out in front of you with both hands. Tell the officer slowly, what you are about to do next, that you are about to open your wallet now, to find your identification. Ask for permission before doing so.
7) Realize your civil rights are about to be raped. Accept it. Your identification is going to be checked for warrants by the speaking officer in his squad car. This will take approximately 5-10 minutes, depending how complicated you are. The quiet, menacing officer will remain standing off to your side, guarding you like the dangerous dog he is. Put your hands back up in the "robbed" position and don't move. Do not attempt idle small talk with the quiet officer. They do not have a personality anyway, and are only there to kick your ass if needed. Just look down, stay still, and keep your hands up where he can see them. If the quiet officer becomes annoyed by your gesture and tells you to put your hands down, do so, but keep your palms out in front of your legs. Never put your hands in your pockets, behind you, or out of sight from the quiet officer.
8) The speaking officer will return with your I.D. and give it back to you. Hold the I.D. in the palm of your hand out in front of you and put your other hand back up. Listen to what the speaking officer says next. You may be asked a series of personal questions, like, a) what is your social security number? b) where do you work? c) what is your current address? d) what is your telephone number? e) who do you live with? f) where are you going now? g) Did you happen to see _____? h) Were you just at this address __________? i) Can I search you and your bag? ect. Welcome to the drug war and homeland security, post 9-11. You will notice that the officer is writing this information down in a little notebook and may have told you a white lie that he is required to ask you these questions as part of his job. The temptation is to go all "Johnny Cochrane" on them and protest that the officers have no right to ask you such things. You're right of course, but you are not in a court room television show; you are on the street, alone with some very dangerous people who will kick your ass and arrest you for resisting a non-existent arrest. It is quicker to answer the questions slowly for them and realize your information is being entered into what's called the ARMS database, a computer system that helps police departments track every person they ever talked to. If you insist on fighting for the American way of life to freedom from unwarranted searches and seizures, then you can politely offer to the officers that you are not comfortable answering the questions and you would rather submit to being arrested now and will invoke your right to remain silent. Make sure you offer this option politely.

Always remember that you are being audio recorded. Police officers carry digital audio recorders on their person nowadays and it is on. Everything you say, is being documented, and will be used against you if necessary. If you are in the presence of a rogue officer, there may be attempts to provoke you into a physical confrontation. Insults to your intelligence, your race or gender, disbelief of your story, accusations that you committed a crime are all fair game during questioning while being detained. Unfortunately, some rogue officers are not content to let you remain calm to questions and will attempt to conduct a rough and humiliating search. The Supreme Court has allowed for strip searches if the officer claims you are a threat to their safety. There is nothing you can do about it, and your arguments against will only further their hostility. Hopefully, if you've been polite at the front end, the attempt to search will be disregarded.

Chances are you will simply be told to go home and not to let the officers catch you around here for the rest of the night. Most officers are lazy and do not want to haul you to jail for not answering questions they wouldn't answer either if they were in your shoes. If you are homeless, walk far away from the area, and find a place to hide for the rest of the evening.

There is also the possibility that the officers stopping you are actually honest, hardworking people who are simply doing their job as best they can. You are being "checked out" because the officers are acting on some prior information, or because you look like you need some kind of help. As you follow the above rules, good officers will recognize you are harmless, and will quickly try to get you to relax for there is no danger and will explain why they are stopping you. Fairly shortly, you can talk about the evening, the last ball game, or what the crazy spouse did to you. These type of officers will give you several recommendations on where you can get help or a good beer. If they have time, they might give you a ride somewhere, or even buy you a sandwich. There are some officers who are like this, and you should genuinely thank them for their fine service. Every police force has some of these officers.

But until officers prove they are honestly there to serve and protect, including you, assume first that you are dealing with a dysfunctional bully who likes effing people up.
Following the above rules, while not at all protecting your civil rights, might keep you safe from the police in the short run. If you don't like these practical rules for handling the police, you can risk retaliation by complaining later to your city council, human relations commission, police department, citizens review board, or the media about improper police behavior. Shortly after registering your complaint, expect to be followed in your car and given a traffic ticket, or frequent drive-bys at your house, or some informant offering you drugs. Civil rights aren't cheap and rogue officers don't appreciate you messing with their career.