Conspiracy Annalists

Whenever you want to discredit a group of people or movement, a negative descriptive is always used, and so it is with the term “Conspiracy Theorists”. Such a term automatically implies unknown facts being applied through imaginative creativity to answer a puzzling quandary of a current event.

However, that is not how today’s enlightened individuals who have been awakened to the truths of the world’s consternation, operated nor think. These individuals never started out using wild imaginings to formulate the answers they now possess.

To a person, it always starts with a comment, a story read, or news report seen or heard that does not seem right, that does not fully mesh with other facts or known values. This “disconnect” is then followed up with study and research of known facts, which then leads to analytical conclusions. And for this, they are labeled as somehow a defective citizen.

So like much of today’s manipulated world, where nearly all the worlds media is controlled by a handful of people and our government is selected and molded by a warlord group whose stated goal is a one world government, one can understand why these words are so dangerous and inflammatory.

So for your awakening, here are some facts for you to ponder.

With a trip to the United States planned by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who was going to be speaking at several events and pressing his “Red Line” agenda,, what would help to promote his views? Perhaps a false flag event? To bolster this in the weeks leading up to his visit, the US Government released multiple warnings about possible “Homeland” terrorist events - but what kind of events?

How about a sleazy soft porn producer with a criminal record who is a right wing anti-Muslim bigot and former FBI informant who is now in protected custody? And where did the money come from to finance this “Innocence” (remember evil is always in reverse) film? A 15 minute clip taken from a completely unrelated production, poorly dubbed over, with words specifically tailored to incite the most visceral response.

We know that “operatives” are imbedded throughout the Middle East, helping collapse government after government and thus destabilizing ever greater numbers of people. These fractured societies are then easy targets for extremists who can be readily manipulated by unseen hands.

It is known that at least one government psychology operations group has purchased social media manipulations software, which allows a handful of personnel to create and maintain large numbers of fake social media accounts. Thus easily manipulating not only the perspective of people, but prompting their actions when specific responses are needed.

Take into account the massive hatred building within the Muslim countries after 10 years of brutal war upon them and you have a tender box with a social media fuse ready to be lit. A fuse lit by a mouse.

Upon a mouse click somewhere, the “Innocence” was launched, uploaded to the World Wide Web to be seen by any and all. Government agencies then sent out warnings about possible unrest and dangers to Embassy personnel, yet no State Department moves were made to bolster security.

Then simultaneously as though another mouse clicked, the most violent and heavily armed, materialized out of thin air and attacked via mob cover. A violence condemned and decried by virtually every mainstream cleric and social leader in the Middle East, a clarion call to civility and non-violence, repeated voices never reported by American media.

But the greatest smoking gun in all of this - how the Marines guarding the attacked Embassy’s were denied ammunition for their weapons. One can speculate on much of the other as being coincidence, but why were those specific Embassy’s left vulnerable. A scenario that ultimately created a martyr sacrifice, who had dedicated his life to helping Muslim people gain their liberty.

Meanwhile as people died, Netanyahu got to repeat over and over again – see how evil they are, see how barbaric, this is why we have to attack them NOW! A broken record constantly heard, but in this case timed so well in calling for the destruction of the descendants of Isaac’s son, who worked hard and tended the land of his father with honor and dignity, but was denied his inheritance through guile and deceit via a lambs skin.

So there are the facts, a significant analysis of the events based on “official” media reports. Facts that by themselves do not completely provide a full conclusion, but when combined over years and thousands of other such events all showing the same pattern, only one conclusion can be derived.

Whenever you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. – Conan Doyle

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Reader2 wrote on February 19, 2013 at 11:02 am

Aura of darkness, turning

Aura of darkness, turning invisible? "Could it be ... Satan?" Well, sure, but it smells more like outrageous Lady Gaga and her gimmicky Scheisse to me.

Sid, perhaps you shouldn't be so totally dismissive and immediately insulting, as that may discredit you as well. Even if Wikipedia doesn't meet the highest standards as a credible source, please check out the creepy blood and semen idea (or at least Gaga's intent of an "expensive hooker" scent) to see that Pen doesn't just imagine all this crazy stuff! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga_Fame

Penteller, there's no denying that depravity and human error exist, always have. I believe "dark forces" of fear and evil (in the form of willful ignorance, apathy, cardinal sins of avarice, sloth, envy, gluttony, rage, etc) do entice and destroy lives - albeit randomly and presumably instigated by human profit-masters more than any diabolical "ancient mystic" puppet-master. But I'll leave the silliness of both Gaga and the Church Lady to dance with the devil.

The biggest conspiracy against us that I see is simply the fallibility of our own minds and within our own human nature.

Sid Saltfork wrote on February 19, 2013 at 1:02 pm

I agree with your last

I agree with your last sentence.  At least, you appear to be sane.  Your not weaving bits, and pieces into an evil conspiracy mixed with the occult.

Now; I am going to play my Helter Skelter album backwards while I stare at the Sun God Ra, and discredit myself.

Penteller wrote on February 18, 2013 at 2:02 am

“The individual is

“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst.” - J. Edgar Hoover

Alabaster,

Since you have so graciously spent time in responding in a civilized and adult manner, it is only fitting and common courtesy, to reply in kind. As such, it seems appropriate to begin with your final question. I also apologize for the lengthy post, but please indulge me as it is a historic perspective, necessary for those wanting to learn and understand.

The one conspiracy theory that I cannot believe in, is the Lizard shape-shifters who supposedly have assumed the form of our world leadership, a preposterous conspiratorial “theory” with no accountability and one that flies in the face of all known physics.

Once again, the obvious that so many seem to conveniently ignore, is that everything I’ve presented here are FACTS. Known and verifiable facts that are easily referenced, and when accumulated over time and through multiple occurrences and resources, become a validating pattern of accountability. Facts no one ever disputes or refutes, but ignores in favor of personal attacks based upon lies and false accusations.

When you say that “you believe”, you are stating a position that has been formulated from sources which you feel are compelling enough for you to from a belief - strong enough to be expressed. Yet you claim, you cannot with “certainty” state them as fact?

Once again I would challenge you to confront the “grey” of truth taught to you by a corrupted educational system whose ultimate goal is to make truth “relative”, thereby allowing for manipulation of any truth. Either you “believe” as truth, the things you stated, or disavow them as fiction, you cannot “believe” they are true and then state they may be false, unless you believe in “relative” truths.

Please do not take this personally, but your “relative” thinking of truth is part of the programming and follows the goals set forth in the Illuminati’s stated mission to; “Abolish all formal government, all private property, inheritance, patriotism, the family, morality and all religion, through communal education of the children.”

Yes, my words are sharp and pointed, hence the name Penteller, and like any good researcher or writer, my statements are based upon known facts accumulated over time that are instrumental in forming solid truths. Truths arrived at after thousands of hours and many years of research.

Within these threads and others like All Around Danville, I have been personally attacked, repeatedly and mercilessly, in the most vile way, not because what I have presented was untrue, without validation or illogically presented, but that truths were spoken. For truth in this day has become a revolutionary act, as darkness and vile nature descends upon man, and those in its grasps become pawns to its game, with some as operatives in its service.

Since thinking for themselves is impossible, they rely upon hatred and cruelty to protect their limited capacities, ignoring everything presented, considering nothing offered and completely rejecting as inconsequential all statements by anyone on the subject. Even those of renowned fame.

In 1785 the Bavarian government banned a secret society called the Illuminati, because of their self-god belief, world domination objectives and antisocial agenda. These banished individuals then spread out across Europe, infiltrating other secret societies and assimilating those members into their belief system.

In response to a letter by a prominent minister in 1798, one conspiratorial nut named George Washington said this about the secret cabal, now infiltrating world wide into every aspect of our lives; “It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am.”

Fast forward to the 20th century and another conspiratorial nutcase, blathers on about hidden powers and their planned takeover of Russia, saying; “From the days of Spartacus, Weishophf, Karl Marx, Trotski, Belacoon, Rosa Luxenburg, and Ema Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th Century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.” – Sir Winston Chirchill

One must also realize that the Illuminati to which Churchill was referring, has now established itself at every level in our societies. A level of control that not only permeates our social constructs, but whose members stand ready to discredit and destroy if necessary any and all who may challenge or expose their involvement and plans.

Regularly throughout history, there have been those individuals who have told the population of their plight and warned them about who actually rules over their lives. Yet their words are never repeated to the public because of a media complicit and active in the crime itself. “The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities states and nation. At the head is a small group of banking houses generally referred to as ‘international bankers.’ This little coterie… run our government for their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a self-created screen…[and] seizes…our executive officers… legislative bodies… schools… courts… newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.” - John F. Hylan

When you have a government whose principle city (Washington,) has streets laid out, buildings built and monuments based, upon the occult, you would think it would be a good place to start questioning. Much less a nation funded by the very people whose primary belief is, “when you control the nations money, it matters not who makes the laws”, who protect themselves by owning virtually all the nations media.

Hidden hands at the highest levels, who know the game well, and play us all as disposable pawns. Hands given to occult practices who occasionally state the obvious to anyone paying attention, conspiratorial idiots who state; "The Technocratic Age is slowly designing an every day more controlled society. The society will be dominated by an elite of persons free from traditional values, who will have no doubt in fulfilling their objectives by means of purged techniques with which they will influence the behavior of people and will control and watch the society in all details". "... it will become possible to exert a practically permanent watch on each citizen of the world".- Zbigniew Brzezinski

The official religion of the “Beast” that now rises is the occult, which today comes front and center on every network who are now airing, new “entertainment” shows about occult practices, our sporting and awards events steeped in occult ceremony, with pop culture music openly glorifying Lucifer and its practice.

A high priestess now produces a black perfume that will exceed 100 million dollars in first year sales. A black magic potion called “Fame”, made of Belladonna (hallucinatory herb), semen, and synthetic blood modeled on the priestess’s own blood. A ceremonial potion, to be anointed on young women world wide in their personal quest of fame, as they chant to the priestess’s catchy tune in glorifying the Sun God Ra.

Many of these things are powered-by, practiced and sanctioned through, a singular and ancient mystic religion, thousands of years old and with a name.

As hundreds of millions of Christians will tell you, we are in a spiritual battle and as the end draws near, dark forces will deceive the vast majority of the earth’s inhabitants. The truth tellers will be persecuted and killed, with lies becoming perceived truths as evil men rule. For this battle that has begun - is not only of flesh and blood - but includes a higher realm beyond the temporal.

Leaving each of us with a choice in whom we serve.

"The art of deceiving and disputing, sophisticating, perverting and misrepresenting truths may be learned in schools; but the power to recognize and follow the Truth cannot be conferred by academic degrees; it comes only from God." - Paracelsus

Sid Saltfork wrote on February 18, 2013 at 1:02 pm

Oh My..... !  What can one

Oh My..... !  What can one say after reading that.  "A high priestess"; "a black magic potion"; "made of Belladonna, semen, and synthetic blood modeled on the priestess's own blood". 

Well, alabaster; I leave it to you to decide about his "conspiracy theories".   I am going to chant to the Sun God Ra, and watch CNN.

alabaster jones 71 wrote on February 13, 2013 at 10:02 pm
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I believe that JFK, MLK,

I believe that JFK, MLK, possibly RFK, and untold numbers of other assassinated Americans and non-Americans have been killed by the government or by special business interests.  I believe that the government uses the media to mislead and brainwash people, and that they manufacture controversies to distract the public.  I believe that our government is by and large a sham government, an oligarchy masked as a republic, and that politicians are just around to give us, as George Carlin described it, the "illusion of choice" in how our country is run.  I believe that the university/college system, the health care system, and many other revered institutions are mostly just schemes to milk us of our money.  I think drug companies purposely cause medications to have side effects, in order to compel the user to buy more medication to combat the side effects.  I think there's a good chance that the government knew that both 9/11 and Pearl Harbor were going to happen, and that they allowed both to occur because they knew it would open the floodgates to war and that the subsequent war would be financially lucrative in the long run (in the case of WWII, lucrative for the country at large, and in the "War on Terror's" case, lucrative for Bush's and Cheney's war profiteer buddies.  At least FDR was thinking of all of us when he sent us to war.)

Yet, although I personally believe in all of these "conspiracies" as well as in many others, whenever I read a post from Penteller, buzorro, or most other hardcore conspiracy folks on the Internet, I usually find myself rolling my eyes at at least half of what they have to say, often the majority of it.  Why is this?

You'll notice that I used the phrase, "I believe," or, "I think," when introducing all of the conspiracies in the first paragraph.  Conspiracy theorists so often profess absolute certainty about their theories.  Sorry, Penteller, I know you hate that term "theorist," but the term is nothing to be ashamed of.  In fact, approaching the conspiracies of the world with the mindset of a "theorist" is really the only ideologically honest way to go about doing so.  For example, no matter how much information I read about the JFK assassination, I would find it absurd of me to ever declare with certainty that I know exactly what happened that fateful day.  Or, for that matter, to declare with certainty that I know for sure who was behind it.

At the end of the day, I see the conspiracy theory community as no fundamentally different than any other community united by a shared ideology.  Groups united by ideology almost always share several characteristics.  Groupthink, closed-mindedness, and logical fallacies are the hallmarks of ideology driven individuals and groups.  They restrict themselves mostly to sources that agree with their line of thinking.  All deficiencies and logical counterarguments to their lines of thinking are marginalized, and excuses are made for them.  Certainty is declared about personal opinions and beliefs for which certainty cannot logically be declared.  I see all of these characteristics in the conspiracy community, just as I see them in almost any other ideological community.  When the conspiracy community does it, it is especially grating from my perspective, since they are so often so proud to pat themselves vigorously on the back for being the beacons of free, unbiased thought in an otherwise ideologically bankrupt world of "sheeple."

Whenever I discuss politics with someone who self-identifies as a "liberal," "conservative," "libertarian," "communist," or any other self-limiting, meaningless ideological descriptor, I like to ask them a question before I bother debating with them.  I ask them to name just one or two issues on which they disagree with most of their ideological bretheren.  If they cannot do so, I usually avoid debating or discussing politics with them any further, since I'd rather not waste my time debating with someone who is too entrenched into their stubborn, dogmatic line of thinking to even entertain counterarguments or independent thoughts.  So, I ask you, Penteller and buzorro, are there any conspiracy theories that are widely believed within the conspiracy community that you personally do not believe in?  I am genuinely curious to know.

Penteller wrote on December 14, 2012 at 5:12 am

“Money is a new form of

“Money is a new form of slavery, and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal – that there is no human relation between master and slave.” - Leo Tolstoy

Buz, speaking of Bankers, I’ve been doing some research into our banking history and it’s a pretty sobering read. As you know, the Federal Reserve is a secret and private corporation that controls our monies and our lives, a result of over a hundred years worth of intrigue murder and deceit.

From the beginning of America’s birth, the European bankers were fiercely working to establish control of America, based upon Mayer Rothschild’s mantra of total monetary control. Among our founding fathers, there were two primary camps, one promoting a privately controlled and usury based money supply and those wanting a public controlled central banking that was designed to benefit the citizenry not the Illuminati.

One such Illuminati figure was Alexander Hamilton, just one of the Masters who wanted complete Federalist control, who exposed his true feeling for the common people when he said, “All communities divide themselves into the few and the many.  The first are the rich and the well born, the others the mass of the people… The people are turbulent and changing; they seldom judge and determine right.  Give therefore to the first class a distinct, permanent share of government.  They will check the unsteadiness of the second.”

An ardent proponent for a publicly-owned national bank was Thomas Jefferson, who said about bankers, “Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of the day, but a series of oppressions begun at a distinguished period, unalterable through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing us to slavery”.

But in 1791, legislation pushed by Alexander Hamilton and backed by European bankers, establish a private banking cartel in controlling American financing until the charter renewal date of 1811. A renewal that did not happen until 1816, because of the European Banker prompted war and attempted coup of 1812, that was only aborted after the Russian Czar announced support of the colonies and sent Russian naval ships to American shores.

Then in 1828 Andrew Jackson’s ran for the presidency, ranting about the bankers saying, “You are a den of vipers.  I intend to expose you and by Eternal God I will rout you out.  If the people understood the rank injustices of our money and banking system there would be a revolution before morning.” In his re-election he railed even more against the bankers, saying, “…controlling our currency, receiving our public monies and holding thousands of our citizens independence, it would be more formidable and dangerous than the naval and military power of the enemy...”

After his re-election, Jackson was the target of an assassination attempt by Richard Lawrence, who confessed that he was, “in touch with the powers in Europe”. Then in 18636 Jackson never authorized the charter renewal, whereupon the National debt quickly went to ZERO. Then, for the remainder of the century, monetary crashers were contrived, Presidential assignations completed and American oligarchy established by the banking cartel.

Then in 1913, after regular financial turmoil and crashes, created by the banking cartels to panic the public, the private Federal Reserve was established by guile and American was at last - permanent slaves to the bankers.

An enslavement that even those who spoke against it for the European colonists, knew of its power when applied to Native American people and the theft of their lands, saying, "To promote the disposition to exchange lands, we shall push our trading houses and be glad to see the good and influential individuals among them run in debt. Because we observe that when these debts get beyond what individuals can pay, they're willing to lop them off by the cession of lands." - Thomas Jefferson

“When you enslave a people with chains they immediately and regularly resist, when you enslave them through voluntary servitude by usury, they are enslaved willing and without revocation.” – Penteller


So as our bonds are now bought by the secret Federal Reserve because no one else wants them, the bankers continue their enslavement of us. Making us pay for the bubbles and hardships they create as they buy in-mass the single houses now on sale from the housing crash (making it seem as though the market is improving), bundling them into bonds to be sold to the new generation of slum lords who are never known, seen or held accountable. Farm lands and homes never to be owned again by regular people, but occupied by a people enslaved, to the interest incurred through endless wars and consumer programming.

buzorro wrote on December 14, 2012 at 10:12 am

The Fed 'seems' to be doing a

The Fed 'seems' to be doing a favor by buying US bonds.  But bonds carry interest, so the government (us) is expected to repay the principle plus interest to the individual owners of the Federal Reserve, most of whom are foriegn and also own various other Central Banks world-wide.  As T. Jefferson warned us, we are slaves to the private owners of the Federal Reserve in the land that he and other founding fathers fought to free us.

If he had gotten his way the US Constitution gave the power to coin money and set the value of to Congress, no interest.  But the Rothschild's and their ilk would be nothing without the practice of usury, something that was reviled by great thinkers dating back to Cicero.  Usury used to be a mortal sin, mentioned in both the Old and New Testaments of the Bible.  Usury is the root of all evil.  So why is it now considered a common and accepted practice, except for Islam?  Might that be the real cause for taking down the various nations in the Mideast?  To establish Central Banks in those nations?

Perhaps a more pious man/woman can explain why usury was originally a mortal sin and now it's not.

Sid Saltfork wrote on December 14, 2012 at 4:12 pm

One commenter quotes himself

One commenter quotes himself which is telling in regard to a personality disorder.  Another commenter calls for a revolution.  The remaining commenter calls for the sale of U.S. bonds without interest being incurred.  Who would buy the bonds?  Would you buy bonds that are worth what you paid for them ten, twenty, or thirty years later?

Don't fall out of the treehouse guys.

 

Citizen1 wrote on December 14, 2012 at 6:12 pm

You don't make sense.

You don't make sense.

Sid Saltfork wrote on December 14, 2012 at 8:12 pm

"It will take a revolution to

"It will take a revolution to fix it."  Your comment, right?

Pen quotes himself.

Buz complains about usuary because U.S. bonds pay interest.  Who would buy them if they were not an investment?

 

None of that makes any sense except to you perhaps.  Citizen1 if you have to hang out with others, pick them better.   The common denominators you have with them is your hate against public employees, and unions.   The other stuff like conspiracy theory, "cattle cars", and other assorted woo-woo things doesn't fit you.  Comments on daily articles are one thing; but the Discussion Forum is Never-Never Land.  You don't see Pen commenting on daily articles do you.  Buz rarely does either.  They could just e-mail each other; or maybe just talk to each other in the mirror.  Their "discussions" in the Discussion Forum are delusional. 

     

Citizen1 wrote on December 14, 2012 at 6:12 am

There is a huge difference

There is a huge difference between a Fed that provides a clearing house for local banks thus increases liquidity in the system and increase M1 - that is, a Fed that allows a local bank to function and Fed policy directed by the Whitehouse that continues excessive government spending to exist by selling out to China.  Bankers aren't the problem - they allow your checks to clear the bank and Fed policy.  The Whitehouse seems to have forgotten that the money in banks belongs to people and corporations.  By borrowing money the country does not have, the government has seized more of your money by saddleing you with debt that you must repay in the future.  The Whitehouse thinks government knows better how to spend your money than you do.  The problem is that only about 50% of the population pays taxes, read saddled with the debt while 100% vote.  The other 50% pays nothing.  Add onto that the percentage of public employees with entitlement mentalities with their hands out for a part of the tax money.  The taxpayers are out numbered and out voted.  It will take a revolution to fix it. 

Oliver wrote on December 11, 2012 at 5:12 am

Pen Recent Quote:

Pen Recent Quote: "Oliver,

Well hello old friend, good to see you again, as always I enjoy your posts so much, since they regularly help my position.

As for Truth being relevant, you and I have gone over this in the past, but will address it once more for this thread,,,"

I believe this splendid retort deserves the deepest knowledge of your closest pal, "Buzz", (closer, I'm sure than we all know--for anon. posters can be all things--an unalterable "truth")


 


Anyway the following is his complete post which I've never forgotten and I'm sure you'll be able to ruminate on it without a link to prove it's authenticity. And if knot, well, then, tough rockos, 'old friend'...(with friends like ewe....)


 


Therefore it is with great, deep and enlightened meaning from a forever-sheeple (and darn proud of it too!) that I quote your inseparable pal's deepest wisdom: "Boo!"  


 


Regards, that oh-so Oliver-- 

Sid Saltfork wrote on December 11, 2012 at 3:12 pm

Oliver;   As you are aware;

Oliver;   As you are aware; one commenter can be one, two, or more commenters.  The choice of words, punctuation, lack of paragraphs, and style can incriminate the multiple personality commenter.  

What difference does it make whether it is one, two, or three?  The comments indicate the mind set of the commenter, or commenters.  They expose the personality.  They may attract the conspiracy theorists, the anti-government right wing, and the unbalanced; but they do not attract the mainstream citizens.  I exclude Citizen1 from the group.  I believe he is a genuine farmer.

buzorro wrote on December 09, 2012 at 5:12 pm

School District Owes $1

School District Owes $1 Billion On $100 Million Loan

http://www.npr.org/2012/12/07/166745290/school-district-owes-1-billion-o...

I only bring attention to this story to make the point that, imho, the root cause of America's, and the world for that matter, problems is the once mortal sin of usury.  In today's 'unEnlightened' world, usury, or interest on debt, is an accepted practice when, in fact, Jesus condemned the practice (his only act of violence was overturning the money-changers tables in the temple).  This is exactly why our Founding Fathers delegated the 'printing of money and setting the value thereof' to Congress.  These were pretty smart fellas and knew only too well of the dangers of giving that power to individuals. 

Because of the decades of our monetary policy being in the ownership of international bankers, who also own the various Central Banks of Europe, plus the added bankers dream of fractional reserve lending, the above story is just a prelude to the ultimate end of the pyramid-like scam of usury.

Think our national debt is huge now?  For the past few years all of the income tax collected by the IRS hasn't even been enough to pay the interest on that debt, let alone the principle.  Presently almost half of the yearly national budget goes to funding the Pentagon.  Very soon that number will pale in comparison to interest on our national debt. 

I wonder who gets all that trillions in interest?  The owners of the Federal Reserve.

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." - Thomas Jefferson

More dangerous than standing armies...I guess they didn't have FOX Entertainment/News back then.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag
and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

 

 

Penteller wrote on December 07, 2012 at 5:12 pm

“Whoever controls the media,

“Whoever controls the media, controls the mind”  ― Jim Morrison

On this day of infamy, where through deceit and cunning by our leaders, brave Americans died for the empowerment of money men, it seemed appropriate to expose how these things are kept as illusions in the minds of the hypnotized.

A recent article in the NG by Bruce Kauffmann is a perfect example of how media manipulation is practiced every day and in plain sight. Wherein, those who are affiliated with “official” media channels, regularly work harder in discrediting those who are actively seeking the truth, than investigating the truth themselves.

Mr Kauffmann’s Sunday (maximum circulation exposure) the 2nd, 2012 article entitled “The Warren Commission’s Findings” is typical. A great example of how the media collaborators provide just the right amount of smoke and mirrors, to reinforce a social event based upon engineered events. A perfect display of Illuminati propaganda, spaced regularly over the decades, at intervals intended for maximum impact.

Let’s analyze Mr. Kauffmann’s work and see how this is perpetrated.

At the very beginning of the article, a false flag (Ruby) is planted in the subconscious, to distract the reader from the before critical sentence. Which is - that a conniving and by all appearances psychopathic Vice President, who by Kennedy’s assassination became President, “personally” chose those who would investigate the assassination.

To ignore the brutality of Johnson and his megalomaniac personality, a politician willing to do anything to assure his place in history – is to ignore a primary suspect. A suspect that Mrs. Kennedy believed was instrumental in her husband’s assassination. Also absent in the article is any mention of who the commission members were, an omission that is absolutely necessary in maintaining the lies around Kennedy’s death. As the members themselves have over the years become highly suspect.

So much for the smoke part, now the mirror to reflect an illusionary image – Ruby.

The perfectly timed and broadcast shooting of Oswald by Ruby, allowed for the maximum re-concentration of mental energies. By now passing the focus onto another “suspect”, the entire event becomes diluted and more easily manipulated. It also, conveniently buries any kind of direct links to those responsible for Oswald’s involvement.

So we have smoke clouding key players, the mirage of Ruby to invoke a false conspiracy trail, which eventually will validate whatever the commission decides. To now deflect the image once more, Mr. Koffmann reports that Oswald was an unemployed drifter, who had spent time in Russia as a defector, which is where the false conspiracy accusations come from. A puzzling Russian odyssey and even more puzzling return to America after marrying a KGB officers daughter, a return where Oswald regularly crossed and merged paths with both the CIA and FBI.

By then focusing on the Warren report, other plausibility’s are easily ignored and the omission of subsequent individual deathbed confessions and personal testimonies are conveniently omitted. Testimony omissions that even some commission members questioned. But most telling and never mentioned in these kinds of validating-distraction articles is the Warren commission archive lock until 2039, which like the Dead Sea Scrolls cannot be studied by anyone, thus empowering those with vested interest.

To validate Mr. Kauffmann’s assertion that what the Warren commission reported was the real story, he stated statistical facts in the volume of words and massive quantities of interviews. Apparently believing that by sheer volume alone does truth prevail. Is this considered good journalism?

So after regurgitating what everyone already knows about Kennedy’s assassination and holding up the usual dubious questions of misconduct, like the autopsy surgeon burning his notes, Mr. Kauffmann ends with the best of  reverse logic that typifies the kinds of mind control techniques used – the “reverse loop.”

First by stating a lie such as, no one like the KGB or CIA would ever employ a person like Oswald, you implant a perceived truth that seems logical. Then you eliminate the contemplation of such a thing by stating the most obvious, which becomes the mental block to its relevancy, when stating, “If they did, they would have him killed immediately after the crime”.

Hummmmm…. Wasn’t Oswald “killed” shortly after the crime? Before any “serious” interrogations could be done, trials completed and media interviews performed.

Pretty kewl hu…. I always love the reverse loop, as it is the primary mind control technique used by the powers who control us. Meanwhile the Occult symbols that permeate all of Washington, our money, our monuments, our Federal institutions, our entertainment and our politics, are never mentioned or explored. Thus allowing for the multi-generational plans to continue, as we are consumed like fodder in feeding the animals of wealth.

My questioning Kennedy’s death began at an early age when I saw Mrs. Kennedy retrieve the back of Jacks skull off the cars trunk. Making me wonder – how can the back of a man’s head be blown out when he was shot from behind? Little wonder why his brain is missing and no one has ever seen the autopsy photos or notes.

But according to people like Mr. Kauffmann, we MUST believe what a commission, hand picked by a psychopathic President, comprised of persons who belonged to powerful secret organizations, who created a report never seen or studied by anyone outside the cloistered order of state power, must be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

So Help Me God – please.

Sid Saltfork wrote on December 07, 2012 at 8:12 pm

Forget your meds?  Your

Forget your meds?  Your responding to yourself again.

ractivist wrote on November 20, 2012 at 8:11 am

http://www.newswithviews.com/

http://www.newswithviews.com/iserbyt/iserbyt9.htm

This was written ten or so years ago.  

I am a full blown CT, I know CF is a more accurate term, as men have and do conspire for a multitude of reasons.  As a critical thinker, I have no doubt the new world order folks will fully dismantle our nation and the world, to rebuild it in their likeness.  A communistic, fascistic totalitarian styled goolag...the elites, and the serfs, after a huge kill off.

The soviets are one of the major players in this effort.  They infiltrated our government and at this point have total control.  Read this report and weep.  I have confirmed this through numerous sources over many years.  It's true, it's not theory.  

Before you dismiss this fully, consider the famous caught off guard Obama moment, "tell Putin, after the election I will be able to.........." and Medved grinned inside.

People we have little hope as a nation at this point, the enemy within has done grave damage to our foundation.  As the man in the top hat garners everyone's attention, "ladies and gentlemen fix your eyes on the dancing elephants in the center ring"........

You can lead an ass to the truth, but you can't make him think.  Mark

Good to see an informed discussion on the reality we live in.  Men conspire to control and have forever.  It's actually the norm, as is the Alinsky method of ridiculing and marginalizing the truth teller.

Penteller wrote on October 13, 2012 at 9:10 pm

“If tyranny and oppression

“If tyranny and oppression come to the land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” ~ James Madison

Summary of Libyan attack.

For months, a certain Middle East country with an estimated 100 Nuclear warheads had been berating the US to attack another Middle Eastern country that has never attacked or taken land from anyone.

Over those same months, a group of EXTREME radicals, possessing “heavy” weaponry, were increasingly terrorizing the Libyan people. A small and ultra secretive group of alleged Muslim extremists who scared even the most conservative of the land. While here at home, repeated warnings about an impending terrorist event was routinely talked about through “unofficial” sources.

Then a 3 rate, porn producing con man with a criminal record and who was at one time an FBI informant, put together a 15 minute internet video from an unrelated video production, which was then poorly voiced over using words designed to inflict the most visceral reaction. A shadowy character who is now in “protective” custody and cannot be interviewed, just like the characters of the Bin Laden Kabuki production.

Meanwhile, different security personnel kept pressuring the State Department to provide additional security to the Libyan Embassy, as the situation in Libya was getting worse. To which they were told to stop asking, essentially being informed that they would never get anything to help protect them - including ammunition for the Marines weapons.

Then just days before Mr. Bomber Man held up his sign at the UN, the “Innocence” video was somehow prominently brought to light, allegedly igniting extended outbreaks of violence around the world. Social violence decried and condemned by nearly every Muslim leader around the world, voices never reported in the US media.

The seemingly instantaneous mob action that took place, looked much like the “clicked event” of college aged students, which somehow mysteriously appeared around the US, immediately following the Bin Laden wag the dog night. Meanwhile like some terror robodialing phone bank, random “call in” bomb threats were occurring across the US as Muslims rioted around the world, while the chant “BBBBomb Them Now” repeatedly played in the background.

In Libya as the mob attacked the US Embassy, those secretive extremists used the event as cover to kill the man who had for years been helping Muslims gain their freedoms. An attack that was later called “planned” by Libya’s leadership.

So what happened to the ultra secretive and alleged Muslim extremists that had been terrorizing the Libyan people, a people whose country had completely collapsed and was easily manipulated by anyone heavily armed, highly organized and ultra clandestine?

Why after the Embassy hit they disappeared, completely vanished, along with their heavy weapons.

Nothing going on here folks – just move it along – now be a good citizen, go home and turn on your corporate news, they will tell you all you need to know about the bogie man.

Penteller wrote on December 09, 2012 at 4:12 am

"Your choice to be uninformed

"Your choice to be uninformed does not make me a wacko!" – Anonymous

CONSPIRACY NOTICE OF THE DAY: As reported by all the right wing Republicants - the US Government falsified the unemployment reports so Obama would look good. Gee… Seems to be a lot of crazy conspiracy nuts out there lately, wonder how the tinfoil hat sales are going? I know the foil pouches for your charge cards to keep the transportation terminal scanners from reading your cards data are doing well.

Oliver,

Well hello old friend, good to see you again, as always I enjoy your posts so much, since they regularly help my position.

As for Truth being relevant, you and I have gone over this in the past, but will address it once more for this thread, as it is one of the cornerstones of the gulag our society is marching into.

Truth is truth. If something is not truth then it is not! Even though there may be those upon the earth that think it is flat, the “truth” is that it is not, the truth is that H2O is water and water is H2O a definable and accepted truth etc, etc, etc.

Truth either is or it is not and stands upon its own, regardless of the assault upon it. Witnessed by these posts, wherein nothing has been done nor can be done in discrediting the “truths” presented herein. No tangible counter other than “says you” has been presented, no contradictory argument with corroborative documentation, no in depth analysis and rebuttal.

Truths cannot be “manipulated” for the benefit of an individual, nor can it be twisted to fit some agenda or perspective. Truths are pure energy and the very foundations upon which all science, law, and human decency is founded. Truths are what is presented here for all to understand - and in return all we get are personal attacks upon our character.

Why is that?

The demise of “Truth has been a planned and orchestrated chapter in the history of man. As a Bastian of truth, justice and decency, America must be taken down in order to achieve the one world government, controlled by Luciferian practitioners, who now begin their finalization of the generations long plan.

To have the masses believe anything they are told, “Relevant Truths” must be the primary philosophy of citizens. It must be taught at an early age and reinforced throughout their formative years, cemented into consciousness through advanced education and daily reinforced through media repetition.

The man responsible for this paradigm shift was John Dewey, the father of modern education. As a practitioner of Humanist ideals formulated from the works of Marx and refined through the Communist manifestos, Dewey put into play the remolding of American minds, from a solid truth based framework to an easily moldable belief system capable of being re-programmed at any point and time, based upon the need for that day’s relevant truth. Like 911.

A belief system so entrenched that entire life decisions can be based upon the philosophy of an entertainer whose music genre was created and maintained through drugs and alcohol, imparting perceived wisdom through, “Why, 'truth' is merely what you believe it to be."  John Dewey would be proud indeed.

In 1933 the Humanist Manifesto was published, laying the groundwork for today’s “relative truths”, a document birthed from the Communist movement. Philosophy’s practiced by Dewey and those who supported his work.

Dewey’s work comes from the Communist philosophy’s, highlighted by Lenin’s statement that; “Everything is moral which is necessary for the annihilation of the old exploiting social order and for uniting the proletarist”. Furthermore stating, “Communism abolishes eternal truths, It abolishes all religion and morality”.

This philosophy was Dewey’s belief when he wrote “There is no God and no soul. Hence, there are no needs for the props of traditional religion. With dogma and creed excluded then immutable truth is also dead and buried. There is no room for fixed natural law or permanent absolutes.”

Such is America today, where truths are relevant and honesty is suspect. Which is why Conspiracy Analysts are so reviled, because they seek the truth and the truth is not what those that are destroying America what people to practice.

Thanks again Oliver, keep those cards and letter coming as they give me so much comfort. Really they do.

Penteller wrote on September 30, 2012 at 4:09 pm

Sid,“During times of

Sid,

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” - George Orwell

Facts can be woven into mistruths?

Is that even possible, since truths are either true or they are not? So how would it even be possible to weave a mistruth? Even the expression of “mistruth” is an oxymoron is it not, kind of like “horribly good”?

No where in any of this has anything been woven, all of this has been presented facts as history has offered them in the order in which they occurred. How in the world could I have possible “woven” anything? For is not “to weave” an expression of rerouting strands to create a pattern to fit an individual design that is desired by an individual? None of which I have done in any of my posts.

Although I must admit to filling in the black spaces of a very intricate puzzle over hundreds of years that presents a more refined picture.

Now out of seeming desperation you attack me once again and suggest that I am somehow responsible in “stiring up the fringe”. What fringe would that be? Patriots who are fearful of their countries takeover? The majority of Americans who think 911 was contrived? Certainly not the boogie men like Bin Laden who could care less about these things as they only serve to make us more weak.

How does my reciting of history and pointing to the causes of our ills make me a bad person? Ohhhhh… I see… part of the pattern…

“If you ever want to know who your real rulers are, just have a look at what you are not allowed to criticize.” - Voltaire

Penteller wrote on September 27, 2012 at 11:09 pm

Sid,"Facts do not cease to

Sid,

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored". ~  Aldous Huxley

Quite all right, I fully understand where you come from and how it is so hard to imagine that our “Government” would do such things, a sentiment that took me some time in coming to terms with. Something every Conspiracy Analyst has to go through, sometimes painfully.

You seem like a level headed person, willing to “discuss” this issue and I would truly enjoy having you challenge my logic in these matters, as such an exchange, helps either prove or disprove the conclusion upon which we settle.

So lets begin by exploring your statement, one that to a person, nearly everyone uses in discrediting Conspiracy Analysts, a statement that is at the very core of the debate and is the prison that holds the mind captive.

Most citizens are programmed from birth to be patriotic and nationalists, because it is the primary mechanism used in controlling the masses. It is a center point of rally, around which feel-good slogans and adrenalin rushes that make the heart flutter, allow the common man to feel like a significant player in the game of life, on a scale greater than himself.

So to challenge this inner sanctum of conformity, to question the belief that perhaps the Government “By The People “is not perfect, is to create terror within. An emotion that most will not face, for to entertain such thought is to question primal beliefs, foundations upon which the minds fortress of defense says aloud, “I cannot agree with you on a governmental conspiracy by the U.S. government to sacrifice citizens serving their country.”

It is a natural defense statement that at face value seems logical, but when analyzed falls apart quickly because such a statement assumes that our 250 year old government is perfect and without blemish. That no hidden hands influence any aspect of the ship of state and that the people’s voice is always heard and heeded. However the real questions are the ones never asked.

Such as...
Do you believe our Government has your best interest at heart? Do you believe they always tell the truth? Do you believe they are always up front and honest in their dealings with us and our allies. Do you believe there has not been a long term incremental reduction in our freedoms and gradual suppression of our rights? Do you believe that the consumption of lives and treasuries over the last 12 years in our endless wars, was to the betterment of our country? Do you believe there is no manipulation of the American people in how they vote for America’s political leaders at the Federal level. Do you believe that our Military Industrial Complex has little if no influence on how we fund and support wars? Do you believe that no government agency has anyone within them that may have nefarious agendas? Do you believe our government has never “sacrificed” an American for something that was not in America’s best interest?

I could go on but those are more than enough for now. As for sacrificing Americans, please study the USS Liberty incident and tell me if you think these brave men were not sacrificed?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=USS+Liberty&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwhatreallyhappened.com%2FWRHARTICLES%2Fussliberty.html&ei=jQdlUOHJHYj1ygGMtICoCg&usg=AFQjCNGqINClw0oNN9w5JFR4_Bck1bmLJQ

As for Kennedy - let’s once again do an Analysis.

Kennedy’s election was of significant turmoil in America, as voting for a Catholic was considered a treasonous offence to some. As a 5 year old child I distinctly remember sitting and a ultra conservative Protestant church and listening to the minister extol the damnation of electing a Catholic President. And listening to the adults around me in everyday conversation, vehemently hating Kennedy and the Catholic Church, with little difference made between a communist and Kennedy, such was the hate among the Evangelicals of America.

Kennedy’s marital affairs were of significant concern among the Evangelical politicians, with J Edgar Hoover watching and having great disgust at the Kennedy’s cavorting. Meanwhile, Castro was the perfect foil in helping destabilize the Western Hemisphere, so when Kennedy authorized the Bay of Pigs invasion, something had to be done. Whereupon both the CIA and the Military provided leaks and Castro knew the time and place to stop the overthrow.

Once Kennedy figured out he had been betrayed, he never again trusted the Military or CIA, which pretty much sealed his fate. But the real deal breaker was his introduction of the Silver Certificate dollar bills, that brought the Money Men into play, for to try and secure our nations monies through Government Institution is to bring destruction upon yourself. For our money is not ours to control, but the private and secret corporation called “The Federal Reserve”.

LBJ was one of the old school politicians, willing to do anything to assure his place in history, validated by his secretary who stated in an interview that LBJ was instrumental in JFK’s assassination. An assassination that had Lee Harvey Oswald as the primary suspect who was conveniently murdered, a man whose CIA handler was Allen Dulles, the first Director of the CIA who Kennedy let go after the Bay of Pigs treason and who became a leading member of the Warren Commission investigating Kennedy’s assassination.

Allen Dulles was like Prescott Bush (the Presidents father and grandfather) closely aligned with the Nazis in the20’s and 30’s’. Allen’s brother was John Dulles who was also in business with Allen, both of whom, may have been supporters of the near overthrow of American government in the 1930’s coup, stopped only by a real patriot named Smedley D. Butler. Fast forward to 1953 and John Dulles oversaw the removal and execution of Iran’s democratically elected President, putting in place the brutal Shaw of Iran (and you know the rest of that story).

And since symbolism is of utmost importance to those who herd us along, the planes of 911 originated from the airport named after John Dulles. What better way to celebrate tyranny than to launch it from a place named after a man who regularly supported its evolution.

Then there was the civil rights issues of which the Kennedy’s pushed, insulting and driving to rage, untold numbers of powerful people who believed that to integrate the races was to destroy the country. Powerful men at the highest levels of government, some of whom belonged to white robed clans, who had lynched and terrorized many before.

I could go on but you be the judge of the facts presented and tell me if there is no interlocking pattern.

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 28, 2012 at 5:09 pm

Facts can be woven into all

Facts can be woven into all sorts of mistruths.  I give up.  If you want to believe in the boogeyman, that is fine.  Just stay peaceful in your theories.  Don't stir up the fringe into doing something that hurts your fellow citizens.

Oliver wrote on October 05, 2012 at 12:10 pm

"Facts can be woven into all

"Facts can be woven into all sorts of mistruths." Sid Saltfork quote. (and I basically agree with your questioning of the revered Mr. Buzz/Penn) I'd change the quote a little:


Facts--that are in reality, only opinions--can be woven (spun) into all sorts of faulty conclusions.
.
A very wise, black musician sax friend of mine, Toby, a generation older, said, "Why, 'truth' is merely what you believe it to be." 

I can accept any number of truths, even if I don't totally understand them. I don't know why H2O is a molecule of water, but I trust the knowledge that discovered it was, indeed, two atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen to form water, not H30, etc;

You, however, may knot (I misspell the word on porpoise--too long to explain) believe that H2O is water. If so, all you have to do is prove that H20 will not produce water--If you are unable to, you might propose that atoms do not really exist, etc;. Oh well. 'u'

Penteller wrote on September 25, 2012 at 4:09 pm

Sid,Thank you for the comment

Sid,

Thank you for the comment and bolstering my point.

Do you mean Fox News, the “We determine what you decide” media conglomerate, owned by the man who taps peoples phones and gets away with it? Not sure that’s such a good reference to make. But in this case it may actually be the best, as it highlights the worst.

I do appreciate your attack on me personally with absolutely no reference to any of the facts thus stated, as it is a prime example of the dilemma we are in. Wherein a large portion of the population has decided to not only ignore, but ridicule, one of the primary tenants of democratic constructs, stated by a founding Father and second President… Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people" - John Adams -1797 – 1801

Last Thursday, NBC did a piece in their news show Rock Center, on the divide between the left and right in America today. It was an outstanding piece in showing the divide and highlighting some of the reasons why, and pointing out once again how mentally “inbreed” the sides have become, especially the right. With Ann Colter proving proof in how hobnail fascism begins and works long term.

Happened to catch Mark Lavine show last evening and like most right wingers he stated outright that although he had been invited to be interviewed for the NBC piece (where he could have enlightened the Liberal Audience to his brilliance), he declined. Stating, “he could care less what they (the NBC Reporters) think” because (paraphrased here) as conservatives they have the only proper thinking and every one else is wrong to the point of being mentally ill.

So it is with the programmed people of the right, who can never carry on a real conversation about actual topics and points of consensus, proven by countless repeated examples throughout these threads Because to do so would perhaps challenge their limited world of knowledge, programmed through “entertaining” yapping heads that never let anyone with a counter view to be heard.

To support this “dumbing down” of our society, an entire “entertaining” Circus industry has emerged to program those who do not wish to think on their own and they called it “Talk Raido”, where they talk you listen and repeated enough times you believe.

ANNALISIS
So check out who owns Bain Capital (O’l Mitt’s money pot) and their affiliations.
Because Bain Capital Owns.
Clear Channel Communications that Own
Sean Hannity
Rush Limbaugh
Glen Beck
Mike Savage nation
Mark Levin show
Media Rottweiler’s who serve their masters well.

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 25, 2012 at 9:09 pm

I can agree with you on the

I can agree with you on the ownership of the media; and the media manipulation.  However, I cannot agree with you on a governmental conspiracy by the U.S. government to sacrifice citizens serving their country.  That is too far of a stretch.  Yes, our society had dumbed down with less research on opinions being done.  The so called "undecided voters" is an example of this.  The "undecided voters" are the ones who will least vote. 

By the way, I apologize for my "attack" on you.  All my life conspiracy theories have developed: World War II, the Kennedy Assassination, the moon landing, and more than I care to recall.  I tend to address conspiracy theorists in an assertive manner.

buzorro wrote on September 27, 2012 at 5:09 pm

WWII - like all

WWII - like all wars,...contrived

Kennedy Assassination - cover-up (a 'magic bullet' that pauses in mid-air and changes directions?  Really?)

 

'...I tend to address conspiracy theorists in an assertive manner.'

 

Because you suffer from denial?

 

Note to Penn: Analysts

I consider myself to be a 'conspiracy observer.'

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 27, 2012 at 10:09 pm

No, I read history written by

No, I read history written by creditable historians.  Stick with your paperbacks, and ghost authored magazine articles if you want to believe in the boogeyman.  Conspiracy theorists want to believe in fiction rather than facts because it bolsters their distrust of authority.  Sure... the Revoluntionary War, the War Between the States, and World War II were all contrived by some devious conspiracy.   Everything is planned in detail by some group of evil doers?

buzorro wrote on September 28, 2012 at 7:09 pm

Credible?  You say tomatoe

Credible?  You say tomatoe and I say tomato.

The last legitimate war, one that was declared to prevent this country's demise, was the War of 1812.

The War between the States?  Each individual State, at that time, had the right to withdraw from the United States.

Know your history. 

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 29, 2012 at 7:09 pm

Evidently not.  The

Evidently not.  The Confederacy re-joined the Union following considerable persuasion.  Oh, yeah... that was another conspiracy... sure.....    Old Abe had the U.S. Navy shell Fort Sumter; and blamed it on the rebs.  That brought both sides into war.   Old Abe was supposedly shot by John Wilkes Booth; but there were two shooters.  The U.S. government covered it up because Napoleon III, and Karl Marx hired the second shooter.  The proof is in the History magazine of June, 19(something).   

What's next?  A UFO conspiracy?  Conspiracy theorists feed off of each other.  Sadly; they eventually convince themselves, and the gullible that they have discovered the truth.  Nothing can change their minds once they have found the truth.  Good luck to you.  Please don't fire up the fringe; and hurt your fellow citizens.

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 25, 2012 at 12:09 pm

While I was reading your

While I was reading your comment; I subconsciously started humming the theme music from the "Twilight Zone".  Skip Fox News for a while, and you will start feeling better.