Whenever you want to discredit a group of people or movement, a negative descriptive is always used, and so it is with the term “Conspiracy Theorists”. Such a term automatically implies unknown facts being applied through imaginative creativity to answer a puzzling quandary of a current event.
However, that is not how today’s enlightened individuals who have been awakened to the truths of the world’s consternation, operated nor think. These individuals never started out using wild imaginings to formulate the answers they now possess.
To a person, it always starts with a comment, a story read, or news report seen or heard that does not seem right, that does not fully mesh with other facts or known values. This “disconnect” is then followed up with study and research of known facts, which then leads to analytical conclusions. And for this, they are labeled as somehow a defective citizen.
So like much of today’s manipulated world, where nearly all the worlds media is controlled by a handful of people and our government is selected and molded by a warlord group whose stated goal is a one world government, one can understand why these words are so dangerous and inflammatory.
So for your awakening, here are some facts for you to ponder.
With a trip to the United States planned by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who was going to be speaking at several events and pressing his “Red Line” agenda,, what would help to promote his views? Perhaps a false flag event? To bolster this in the weeks leading up to his visit, the US Government released multiple warnings about possible “Homeland” terrorist events - but what kind of events?
How about a sleazy soft porn producer with a criminal record who is a right wing anti-Muslim bigot and former FBI informant who is now in protected custody? And where did the money come from to finance this “Innocence” (remember evil is always in reverse) film? A 15 minute clip taken from a completely unrelated production, poorly dubbed over, with words specifically tailored to incite the most visceral response.
We know that “operatives” are imbedded throughout the Middle East, helping collapse government after government and thus destabilizing ever greater numbers of people. These fractured societies are then easy targets for extremists who can be readily manipulated by unseen hands.
It is known that at least one government psychology operations group has purchased social media manipulations software, which allows a handful of personnel to create and maintain large numbers of fake social media accounts. Thus easily manipulating not only the perspective of people, but prompting their actions when specific responses are needed.
Take into account the massive hatred building within the Muslim countries after 10 years of brutal war upon them and you have a tender box with a social media fuse ready to be lit. A fuse lit by a mouse.
Upon a mouse click somewhere, the “Innocence” was launched, uploaded to the World Wide Web to be seen by any and all. Government agencies then sent out warnings about possible unrest and dangers to Embassy personnel, yet no State Department moves were made to bolster security.
Then simultaneously as though another mouse clicked, the most violent and heavily armed, materialized out of thin air and attacked via mob cover. A violence condemned and decried by virtually every mainstream cleric and social leader in the Middle East, a clarion call to civility and non-violence, repeated voices never reported by American media.
But the greatest smoking gun in all of this - how the Marines guarding the attacked Embassy’s were denied ammunition for their weapons. One can speculate on much of the other as being coincidence, but why were those specific Embassy’s left vulnerable. A scenario that ultimately created a martyr sacrifice, who had dedicated his life to helping Muslim people gain their liberty.
Meanwhile as people died, Netanyahu got to repeat over and over again – see how evil they are, see how barbaric, this is why we have to attack them NOW! A broken record constantly heard, but in this case timed so well in calling for the destruction of the descendants of Isaac’s son, who worked hard and tended the land of his father with honor and dignity, but was denied his inheritance through guile and deceit via a lambs skin.
So there are the facts, a significant analysis of the events based on “official” media reports. Facts that by themselves do not completely provide a full conclusion, but when combined over years and thousands of other such events all showing the same pattern, only one conclusion can be derived.
Whenever you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. – Conan Doyle
Aura of darkness, turning invisible? "Could it be ... Satan?" Well, sure, but it smells more like outrageous Lady Gaga and her gimmicky Scheisse to me.
Sid, perhaps you shouldn't be so totally dismissive and immediately insulting, as that may discredit you as well. Even if Wikipedia doesn't meet the highest standards as a credible source, please check out the creepy blood and semen idea (or at least Gaga's intent of an "expensive hooker" scent) to see that Pen doesn't just imagine all this crazy stuff! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga_Fame
Penteller, there's no denying that depravity and human error exist, always have. I believe "dark forces" of fear and evil (in the form of willful ignorance, apathy, cardinal sins of avarice, sloth, envy, gluttony, rage, etc) do entice and destroy lives - albeit randomly and presumably instigated by human profit-masters more than any diabolical "ancient mystic" puppet-master. But I'll leave the silliness of both Gaga and the Church Lady to dance with the devil.
The biggest conspiracy against us that I see is simply the fallibility of our own minds and within our own human nature.
I agree with your last sentence. At least, you appear to be sane. Your not weaving bits, and pieces into an evil conspiracy mixed with the occult.
Now; I am going to play my Helter Skelter album backwards while I stare at the Sun God Ra, and discredit myself.
Oh My..... ! What can one say after reading that. "A high priestess"; "a black magic potion"; "made of Belladonna, semen, and synthetic blood modeled on the priestess's own blood".
Well, alabaster; I leave it to you to decide about his "conspiracy theories". I am going to chant to the Sun God Ra, and watch CNN.
I believe that JFK, MLK, possibly RFK, and untold numbers of other assassinated Americans and non-Americans have been killed by the government or by special business interests. I believe that the government uses the media to mislead and brainwash people, and that they manufacture controversies to distract the public. I believe that our government is by and large a sham government, an oligarchy masked as a republic, and that politicians are just around to give us, as George Carlin described it, the "illusion of choice" in how our country is run. I believe that the university/college system, the health care system, and many other revered institutions are mostly just schemes to milk us of our money. I think drug companies purposely cause medications to have side effects, in order to compel the user to buy more medication to combat the side effects. I think there's a good chance that the government knew that both 9/11 and Pearl Harbor were going to happen, and that they allowed both to occur because they knew it would open the floodgates to war and that the subsequent war would be financially lucrative in the long run (in the case of WWII, lucrative for the country at large, and in the "War on Terror's" case, lucrative for Bush's and Cheney's war profiteer buddies. At least FDR was thinking of all of us when he sent us to war.)
Yet, although I personally believe in all of these "conspiracies" as well as in many others, whenever I read a post from Penteller, buzorro, or most other hardcore conspiracy folks on the Internet, I usually find myself rolling my eyes at at least half of what they have to say, often the majority of it. Why is this?
You'll notice that I used the phrase, "I believe," or, "I think," when introducing all of the conspiracies in the first paragraph. Conspiracy theorists so often profess absolute certainty about their theories. Sorry, Penteller, I know you hate that term "theorist," but the term is nothing to be ashamed of. In fact, approaching the conspiracies of the world with the mindset of a "theorist" is really the only ideologically honest way to go about doing so. For example, no matter how much information I read about the JFK assassination, I would find it absurd of me to ever declare with certainty that I know exactly what happened that fateful day. Or, for that matter, to declare with certainty that I know for sure who was behind it.
At the end of the day, I see the conspiracy theory community as no fundamentally different than any other community united by a shared ideology. Groups united by ideology almost always share several characteristics. Groupthink, closed-mindedness, and logical fallacies are the hallmarks of ideology driven individuals and groups. They restrict themselves mostly to sources that agree with their line of thinking. All deficiencies and logical counterarguments to their lines of thinking are marginalized, and excuses are made for them. Certainty is declared about personal opinions and beliefs for which certainty cannot logically be declared. I see all of these characteristics in the conspiracy community, just as I see them in almost any other ideological community. When the conspiracy community does it, it is especially grating from my perspective, since they are so often so proud to pat themselves vigorously on the back for being the beacons of free, unbiased thought in an otherwise ideologically bankrupt world of "sheeple."
Whenever I discuss politics with someone who self-identifies as a "liberal," "conservative," "libertarian," "communist," or any other self-limiting, meaningless ideological descriptor, I like to ask them a question before I bother debating with them. I ask them to name just one or two issues on which they disagree with most of their ideological bretheren. If they cannot do so, I usually avoid debating or discussing politics with them any further, since I'd rather not waste my time debating with someone who is too entrenched into their stubborn, dogmatic line of thinking to even entertain counterarguments or independent thoughts. So, I ask you, Penteller and buzorro, are there any conspiracy theories that are widely believed within the conspiracy community that you personally do not believe in? I am genuinely curious to know.
The Fed 'seems' to be doing a favor by buying US bonds. But bonds carry interest, so the government (us) is expected to repay the principle plus interest to the individual owners of the Federal Reserve, most of whom are foriegn and also own various other Central Banks world-wide. As T. Jefferson warned us, we are slaves to the private owners of the Federal Reserve in the land that he and other founding fathers fought to free us.
If he had gotten his way the US Constitution gave the power to coin money and set the value of to Congress, no interest. But the Rothschild's and their ilk would be nothing without the practice of usury, something that was reviled by great thinkers dating back to Cicero. Usury used to be a mortal sin, mentioned in both the Old and New Testaments of the Bible. Usury is the root of all evil. So why is it now considered a common and accepted practice, except for Islam? Might that be the real cause for taking down the various nations in the Mideast? To establish Central Banks in those nations?
Perhaps a more pious man/woman can explain why usury was originally a mortal sin and now it's not.
One commenter quotes himself which is telling in regard to a personality disorder. Another commenter calls for a revolution. The remaining commenter calls for the sale of U.S. bonds without interest being incurred. Who would buy the bonds? Would you buy bonds that are worth what you paid for them ten, twenty, or thirty years later?
Don't fall out of the treehouse guys.
You don't make sense.
"It will take a revolution to fix it." Your comment, right?
Pen quotes himself.
Buz complains about usuary because U.S. bonds pay interest. Who would buy them if they were not an investment?
None of that makes any sense except to you perhaps. Citizen1 if you have to hang out with others, pick them better. The common denominators you have with them is your hate against public employees, and unions. The other stuff like conspiracy theory, "cattle cars", and other assorted woo-woo things doesn't fit you. Comments on daily articles are one thing; but the Discussion Forum is Never-Never Land. You don't see Pen commenting on daily articles do you. Buz rarely does either. They could just e-mail each other; or maybe just talk to each other in the mirror. Their "discussions" in the Discussion Forum are delusional.
There is a huge difference between a Fed that provides a clearing house for local banks thus increases liquidity in the system and increase M1 - that is, a Fed that allows a local bank to function and Fed policy directed by the Whitehouse that continues excessive government spending to exist by selling out to China. Bankers aren't the problem - they allow your checks to clear the bank and Fed policy. The Whitehouse seems to have forgotten that the money in banks belongs to people and corporations. By borrowing money the country does not have, the government has seized more of your money by saddleing you with debt that you must repay in the future. The Whitehouse thinks government knows better how to spend your money than you do. The problem is that only about 50% of the population pays taxes, read saddled with the debt while 100% vote. The other 50% pays nothing. Add onto that the percentage of public employees with entitlement mentalities with their hands out for a part of the tax money. The taxpayers are out numbered and out voted. It will take a revolution to fix it.
Pen Recent Quote: "Oliver,
Well hello old friend, good to see you again, as always I enjoy your posts so much, since they regularly help my position.
As for Truth being relevant, you and I have gone over this in the past, but will address it once more for this thread,,,"
I believe this splendid retort deserves the deepest knowledge of your closest pal, "Buzz", (closer, I'm sure than we all know--for anon. posters can be all things--an unalterable "truth")
Anyway the following is his complete post which I've never forgotten and I'm sure you'll be able to ruminate on it without a link to prove it's authenticity. And if knot, well, then, tough rockos, 'old friend'...(with friends like ewe....)
Therefore it is with great, deep and enlightened meaning from a forever-sheeple (and darn proud of it too!) that I quote your inseparable pal's deepest wisdom: "Boo!"
Regards, that oh-so Oliver--
Oliver; As you are aware; one commenter can be one, two, or more commenters. The choice of words, punctuation, lack of paragraphs, and style can incriminate the multiple personality commenter.
What difference does it make whether it is one, two, or three? The comments indicate the mind set of the commenter, or commenters. They expose the personality. They may attract the conspiracy theorists, the anti-government right wing, and the unbalanced; but they do not attract the mainstream citizens. I exclude Citizen1 from the group. I believe he is a genuine farmer.
School District Owes $1 Billion On $100 Million Loan
http://www.npr.org/2012/12/07/166745290/school-district-owes-1-billion-o...
I only bring attention to this story to make the point that, imho, the root cause of America's, and the world for that matter, problems is the once mortal sin of usury. In today's 'unEnlightened' world, usury, or interest on debt, is an accepted practice when, in fact, Jesus condemned the practice (his only act of violence was overturning the money-changers tables in the temple). This is exactly why our Founding Fathers delegated the 'printing of money and setting the value thereof' to Congress. These were pretty smart fellas and knew only too well of the dangers of giving that power to individuals.
Because of the decades of our monetary policy being in the ownership of international bankers, who also own the various Central Banks of Europe, plus the added bankers dream of fractional reserve lending, the above story is just a prelude to the ultimate end of the pyramid-like scam of usury.
Think our national debt is huge now? For the past few years all of the income tax collected by the IRS hasn't even been enough to pay the interest on that debt, let alone the principle. Presently almost half of the yearly national budget goes to funding the Pentagon. Very soon that number will pale in comparison to interest on our national debt.
I wonder who gets all that trillions in interest? The owners of the Federal Reserve.
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." - Thomas Jefferson
More dangerous than standing armies...I guess they didn't have FOX Entertainment/News back then.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag
and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
Forget your meds? Your responding to yourself again.
http://www.newswithviews.com/iserbyt/iserbyt9.htm
This was written ten or so years ago.
I am a full blown CT, I know CF is a more accurate term, as men have and do conspire for a multitude of reasons. As a critical thinker, I have no doubt the new world order folks will fully dismantle our nation and the world, to rebuild it in their likeness. A communistic, fascistic totalitarian styled goolag...the elites, and the serfs, after a huge kill off.
The soviets are one of the major players in this effort. They infiltrated our government and at this point have total control. Read this report and weep. I have confirmed this through numerous sources over many years. It's true, it's not theory.
Before you dismiss this fully, consider the famous caught off guard Obama moment, "tell Putin, after the election I will be able to.........." and Medved grinned inside.
People we have little hope as a nation at this point, the enemy within has done grave damage to our foundation. As the man in the top hat garners everyone's attention, "ladies and gentlemen fix your eyes on the dancing elephants in the center ring"........
You can lead an ass to the truth, but you can't make him think. Mark
Good to see an informed discussion on the reality we live in. Men conspire to control and have forever. It's actually the norm, as is the Alinsky method of ridiculing and marginalizing the truth teller.
Facts can be woven into all sorts of mistruths. I give up. If you want to believe in the boogeyman, that is fine. Just stay peaceful in your theories. Don't stir up the fringe into doing something that hurts your fellow citizens.
"Facts can be woven into all sorts of mistruths." Sid Saltfork quote. (and I basically agree with your questioning of the revered Mr. Buzz/Penn) I'd change the quote a little:
Facts--that are in reality, only opinions--can be woven (spun) into all sorts of faulty conclusions.
.
A very wise, black musician sax friend of mine, Toby, a generation older, said, "Why, 'truth' is merely what you believe it to be."
I can accept any number of truths, even if I don't totally understand them. I don't know why H2O is a molecule of water, but I trust the knowledge that discovered it was, indeed, two atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen to form water, not H30, etc;
You, however, may knot (I misspell the word on porpoise--too long to explain) believe that H2O is water. If so, all you have to do is prove that H20 will not produce water--If you are unable to, you might propose that atoms do not really exist, etc;. Oh well. 'u'
I can agree with you on the ownership of the media; and the media manipulation. However, I cannot agree with you on a governmental conspiracy by the U.S. government to sacrifice citizens serving their country. That is too far of a stretch. Yes, our society had dumbed down with less research on opinions being done. The so called "undecided voters" is an example of this. The "undecided voters" are the ones who will least vote.
By the way, I apologize for my "attack" on you. All my life conspiracy theories have developed: World War II, the Kennedy Assassination, the moon landing, and more than I care to recall. I tend to address conspiracy theorists in an assertive manner.
WWII - like all wars,...contrived
Kennedy Assassination - cover-up (a 'magic bullet' that pauses in mid-air and changes directions? Really?)
'...I tend to address conspiracy theorists in an assertive manner.'
Because you suffer from denial?
Note to Penn: Analysts
I consider myself to be a 'conspiracy observer.'
No, I read history written by creditable historians. Stick with your paperbacks, and ghost authored magazine articles if you want to believe in the boogeyman. Conspiracy theorists want to believe in fiction rather than facts because it bolsters their distrust of authority. Sure... the Revoluntionary War, the War Between the States, and World War II were all contrived by some devious conspiracy. Everything is planned in detail by some group of evil doers?
Credible? You say tomatoe and I say tomato.
The last legitimate war, one that was declared to prevent this country's demise, was the War of 1812.
The War between the States? Each individual State, at that time, had the right to withdraw from the United States.
Know your history.
Evidently not. The Confederacy re-joined the Union following considerable persuasion. Oh, yeah... that was another conspiracy... sure..... Old Abe had the U.S. Navy shell Fort Sumter; and blamed it on the rebs. That brought both sides into war. Old Abe was supposedly shot by John Wilkes Booth; but there were two shooters. The U.S. government covered it up because Napoleon III, and Karl Marx hired the second shooter. The proof is in the History magazine of June, 19(something).
What's next? A UFO conspiracy? Conspiracy theorists feed off of each other. Sadly; they eventually convince themselves, and the gullible that they have discovered the truth. Nothing can change their minds once they have found the truth. Good luck to you. Please don't fire up the fringe; and hurt your fellow citizens.
While I was reading your comment; I subconsciously started humming the theme music from the "Twilight Zone". Skip Fox News for a while, and you will start feeling better.
Comments
News-Gazette.com embraces discussion of both community and world issues. We welcome you to contribute your ideas, opinions and comments, but we ask that you avoid personal attacks, vulgarity and hate speech. We reserve the right to remove any comment at our discretion, and we will block repeat offenders' accounts. To post comments, you must first be a registered user, and your username will appear with any comment you post. Happy posting.