'Poison pill' stalls UI tuition waiver abolition
SPRINGFIELD – A bill that would have abolished the 50 percent tuition waivers that go to the children of public university employees is on hold after opponents included what the sponsor called "a poison pill."
Senate Minority Leader Christine Radogno, R-Lemont, decided to avoid a full Senate Executive Committee vote on the legislation (SB 1318) Wednesday evening after committee members voted down an amendment that would have allowed current employees to continue to enjoy the benefit.
But the committee then voted to adopt a second Radogno-requested amendment to ban the long-controversial General Assembly scholarships.
The result left Radogno with a bill guaranteed to get plenty of "no" votes; she opted not to call it for a vote in committee.
"The way they would not allow the amendment on the bill that would make it prospective, I don't think it's fair to pull the rug out from people who were counting on it," she said after the committee meeting. "But as a policy, going forward, these (employee tuition) waivers don't make sense. Wisconsin doesn't offer them. Iowa doesn't offer them. Only four states even offer them in statute."
She called the employees' waivers "a huge cost shift on which everyone else is paying."
Radogno said she may try to amend her preferred version of the legislation onto another bill later in the session.
"I have a feeling I'm going to need to keep talking about it for a while," she said. "We've talked a lot about General Assembly scholarships. So I think this issue hasn't been raised, but it's an issue that ought to be raised."
Although there were plenty of groups registered in opposition to the tuition waiver repeal – many labor union lobbyists and universities, including the University of Illinois, were listed as opponents – there was little debate in the committee.
Only Sen. Jeff Schoenberg, D-Evanston, addressed the issue in the vote on the first amendment.
"I think this is a disincentive to attracting faculty to come here as opposed to somewhere else," he said. "I think you just cut off the ability to go get talented people from other institutions because you may not be able to offer them as much if not more money."
But Radogno said the employee tuition waivers impose a cost burden on families that don't get them.
"I know it's been discussed that they're an incentive to get people here because we can't pay them enough," she said. "Number one, I disagree with the notion that we're underpaying public employees. I haven't seen anything that indicates that."
She noted that a nurse at the University of Illinois Hospital could get the tuition waiver while a nurse at another public hospital wouldn't. "It's just fundamentally unfair to do that," she said.
And if university employee pay is too low, Radogno said, "that's probably an issue we should address head-on as opposed to giving a perk based on someone's family situation. We would never think of giving someone a raise just because you have a child in a particular age group, which is essentially what this does."
Meanwhile, the abolition of the General Assembly scholarships is certain to come up again.
Sen. Mike Frerichs, D-Champaign, has a bill (SB 2233) to ban them, as does Rep. Jack Franks, D-Marengo (HB 227). Both bills could be heard in committees as soon as Thursday but may not be successful.
"There was a time for a hearing today, and I've been told that we will get a hearing in the future," Frerichs said. "I think we've made good progress in the last year, but I don't know that we've got enough people on board to get it passed."
Likewise, Franks encountered opposition in an informal discussion of the bill in a committee Wednesday morning.
"My priority is for every child to get a very good education. If you want to prioritize something, why don't you take a look at some of the salaries that some of these presidents make, instead of taking away from the kids," said Rep. Edward Acevedo, D-Chicago. "I think that's more important than taking away these scholarships."
General Assembly scholarships will remain so the legislators can reward their campaign donors; but the one half tuition waivers for university employees would be cut. The building service workers, and clerical staff kids would be shut out of a university education; but the fat cats kids would get the full tuition waiver. Mike Frerichs is moving in the right direction. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Sid, I hate to do this, it's nothing personal really. But I wonder, why should the U of I building service worker making a nice wage plus really nice benefits paid for in part by state money, get to pay half the tuition? It doesn't make sense to me. Why university employees? Why not all state workers? Why not kids of members of the carpenter's unions? Why not all licensed insurance agents and realtors? I know, why not all kids whose parents are registered democrats!! If you're REALLY worried about shutting kids of the university system, why not let all kids whose parents work part-time at McDonalds get half tuition. Bottom line, it's just another perk that the unions put into place for themselves at taxpayers expense.
Here's another question I have. If I work for the U of I, and my kid get's to go to school for half tuition. Say that's worth $8000 a year for arguments sake - I don't know exactly what it is worth. Does the parent have to pay income tax on that amount?
Here's why, bluegrass. Guess what a typical building service worker makes? $80,000? $60,000?
Try $34,174.40. Go look it up at the Daily Illini.
Why should they get half-price tuition? Because when they were hired, they were told as part of the agreement between them and their employer that one of their benefits included half-priced tuition for their children once they put in a certain number of years of service.
If the state wants to get rid of this, fine. I understand we're in dire straits. But to take this benefit away from current employees is no different than taking away their retirement or health insurance. Suppose Bob or Sue the building service working calculated this into their decision to be employed by the University, rather than joining, say, the electrician's union, because they knew they had a few kids and would put in their time and save some money somewhere down the road.
Should privileged lawmakers be able to give free scholarships to kids of cronies who are also privileged? Heck no. Should hardworking employees of the University that were told when they were hired that they would be able to take advantage of this benefit still be allowed to get half-priced tuition for their children? I say, heck yes.
Having one extra kid in a class doesn't cost the University money.
The folks making $34,174.40 should have just as much of an opportunity to send their kids to school as the rich Chicagoans whose kids drive nicer cars than mine around campus.
I'm just sayin'...
I agree completely about the legislators. That program is ridiculous and should go away.
I'm sorry but I don't agree with you on the workers though. Companies change their policies all the time with regard to the benefits provided to their employees. If Bob or Sue joined the electrical union, there's a good chance they would have spent a good portion of the last few years on unemployement. And, no offense, but if Bob or Sue leave, there is a long list of people who would love to take their old positions, even at $34 grand a year. In fact, if Bob and Sue did leave, they could probably hire someone for well less than they're paying Bob and Sue.
If it doesn't cost the U of I to have one extra kid in class, why not my kid? She should get the opportunity to go to school at half price if it doesn't cost anything, right?
Fair enough, and well said!
One thing I would say is that I know a few people who are in the electrician union and carpenter's unions and from everything that is spewed forth from them they make over $100,000 per year, so I don't feel sorry for them when it comes to college tuition--unlike the folks making $34,000 or whatever I posted earlier.
McDonald's managers make more money than that. These folks at housing aren't getting rich off the University, but they were told that they would get a deal on tuition for their kids, and perhaps allow their kids to have a different future. Even if their kids can't afford to drive Acura SUVs like a lot of the brats on campus right now.
The president of the University got a $200,000+ raise over the last president. Then he hired an assistant for over $200,000 a year. And a whole slew of administrators are getting promoted to Vice President positions that I'm sure come with six-figure salary increases. Like everywhere, the rich are getting richer.
So with that in mind, it seems to me that screwing a guy that makes $34,000 out of his half-priced tuition that he was promised is more than a bit disingenuous.
There are plenty of rocks that the state needs to overturn to figure out where all the dough is going--the handful of underpaid University employees who have put in their time to get half-priced tuition so that their kids can go to college aren't the problem.
And yeah, your kid should get half-priced tuition as well--apply for a job at the University. That's what I did. ;-)
Take care.
Mike
I am not disagreeing with you. I am saying that the state's financial situation is such that both the legislators, and the employees need to give up the scholarships. If the state is going to award scholarships; give them to the top high school graduates based on GPA, test scores, without any other criteria. Maintaining a middle class is essential. If you are poor, you qualify for financial aid. If you are rich, daddy can pay for it. The middle class kid, and the parents, are the ones hurting to pay for a university education.
I completely agree about the legislative scholarships.
The State of Illinois owes the pension system some $70 billion plus in back payments. They have no business awarding scholarships to anyone.
I hear you about the middle class though... I wish the state were in a position to help more people go to college.
I have to disagree with you on that one. I can tell you from experience. I am a full-time worker going to school part-time to full-time. Last year on my financial aid application, I made less than $30,000 a year as a 20-something living on my own, without any financial assistance or support from family. My "expected family contribution" for my education was something like $10-20,000. Yeah, the government assumed that I could afford fully 1/3-2/3 of my entire gross income going toward school. I don't know many people that could afford that much of a percentage going to education. Therefore, I was not eligible for any need-based grants or scholarships. I was however, eligible for student loans, which I will then be paying off for approximately 50 years after I die. The grant/scholarship system is completely broken.
The part of this I don't understand is that the universities (UI in particular) are OPPOSED to getting rid of this waiver. The waiver does not cost the state any money directly (and according to an article in the N-G the other day, the state's contribution to the UI has dropped from $12.80 of state funding for every dollar of tuition in 1970 to $0.80 per dollar in 2011, so the notion of UI being a public school is close to being a fallacy), but rather is just less income that the UI receives in tuition. In other words, the waivers don't hurt the state, just the universities. If the universities don't want to get rid of the waivers, despite the costs to them, then WHY should the state force them to do so?
A foolish bill. If passed, about half of the employees' kids who would have gone to the U will go elsewhere. The remaining half will pay 100%. It's a total wash financially, and it creates nothing but bad feelings among current UofI employees. Children of faculty at many universities get to attend free, and most get some % tuition waiver. I think the state is trying to get the best faculty to go elsewhere.








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