Tom Kacich: Groups, churches urged to prepare for worst

They say they're not doomsdayers or survivalists, but a handful of people who met in a small room at a Mahomet church last week say they believe it's time to prepare for emergencies and disasters. And they want others to the same.

The group, known informally as the Christian Emergency Preparedness Network, wants church and civic groups to band together and prepare food, water, equipment, expertise, security and more for what they believe is an impending crisis.

It has nothing to do with the upcoming election, says David Pike, a crop scientist who lives in Champaign and is retired from the University of Illinois.

"We're not here to generate fear, but we're here to generate an awareness and then a preparedness," he told about two dozen people last Wednesday night in the upstairs meeting room at the Mahomet Community Free Church.

Since he retired, Pike said, he's had more time to read, and what he's seen on the Internet worries him.

"When you're doing an 8 to 5 job and you're earning money to feed your family, sometimes you don't read so widely and you just put your nose to the grindstone and do what you've got to do. Since I've retired, I've changed my mind-set. I see some of the writing on the walls.

"I look at the financial stresses on our state and our country and I do wonder when and not if. Eventually I think we will face some difficult times."

Mark Thompson of rural Fisher, who organized the meeting with Pike, was more blunt.

"I have to stress that a network like this is a 'we the people' network with no reliance on government. We cannot rely on the government to save us in an emergency situation," Thompson told the small audience.

"If the Internet is hacked and it goes down, or the government pulls the plug on the Internet, you know what that does to business? It will wipe business out if they leave it off for any amount of time. It will stop trucking. The domino effect that can happen on a number of different things is huge.

"And I don't really want to trust my government. I know better. It's up to we the people to take care of ourselves. That's why this network we're proposing has such great potential, because 240 million of us fall into this same club called Christians. We already have the churches and the network in place."

Pike and Thompson say they're not survivalists or "preppers," a subculture that is the subject of a National Geographic television show called "Doomsday Preppers."

"The thing that is so disturbing about so many of the preppers is that they have all of the food for themselves and they figure on taking care of their immediate family and oftentimes they'll have lots of firearms. Don't mistake me, I'm a firearms proponent, but it's like they're going to be shooting at the neighbors to protect their own food supply. That doesn't last very long," said Pike, a former president of the Champaign County Rifle Association. "You have to be part of a community. You have to have business continue to operate. You have to interact with your neighbors because that's what civilization is all about. You give and in exchange they give back. You maintain some kind of sense of community.

"This is very much Christ-centered. You want to extend yourself in charity to others. You can't do that without limits, but you want to maintain as much sense of community as possible."

Said Thompson: "It's all about alleviating people's pain and suffering. As a Christian, that's kind of the perspective. Everybody's welcome. Why would we alienate anyone?"

For the most part, the two found an enthusiastic audience, eager to recruit more members and try to get their churches involved.

"It's a very natural progression to say that if we can go to each congregation and find the pastors who are not susceptible to the pulpitly correct mentality and who are willing to speak out and acknowledge that we have issues in the world today that cannot be ignored, whether they are political or strictly software- or hardware-oriented or biblically oriented," Thompson said. "We look at the church and see that it is the most logical way to network this country."

Pike said he hopes to organize a "preparedness fair" this fall, similar to the kind of events Mormon churches hold. Pike said he is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Preparedness fairs, he said, address issues ranging from food and water storage to retirement and financial security.

"What we're trying to do with the network we're developing is to get other people involved because it's not an idea that just the Latter-day Saints want to keep for themselves. We want everyone to be prepared. That's my motivation," Pike said.

He said the government knows it cannot handle a national emergency.

"We have (Hurricane) Katrina as an example of the inability of the federal government to always respond appropriately. They do well in many circumstances, but in others they just don't have the resources and they're not likely to get the resources to respond to a prolonged disaster or emergency," Pike said. "They know that. They are trying to communicate that to us and we're not listening, well, most people aren't listening."

He said a "Zombie Pandemic" poster published by the Centers for Disease Control is an admission by the government that it doesn't have enough resources to manage a major emergency.

"That's a government office that put this out. Why do they do that?" he asked the group. "They know they can't take care of all of us. The budgets are being reduced further and further. They know they're finding it more difficult to come up with the resources they'd need if a major disaster happened."

Tom Kacich is a News-Gazette editor and columnist. His column appears on Sundays and Wednesdays. He can be reached at 351-5221 or at kacich@news-gazette.com.

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vcponsardin wrote on September 17, 2012 at 4:09 pm
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Guns and Christ... yup.  That just about sums it all up--when fanatical faith meets complete ignorance.

 

 

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 17, 2012 at 6:09 pm

Will they let me in if I am a Jew?

Bulldogmojo wrote on September 19, 2012 at 12:09 pm

No sid in case of a catastrophy you will report to the super secret bunker in Switzerland where Jews control the media from ;P

EL YATIRI wrote on September 20, 2012 at 1:09 pm
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I am an atheist.  Am I welcome?

Mqqneyes wrote on September 17, 2012 at 7:09 pm

 WOW...in other news...The Sky Is Falling! Thanks News-Gazette for that great piece...LOL.

welive wrote on September 17, 2012 at 7:09 pm

umm great exectley how are they preparing?besides stockpiling guns and anti goverment propaganga

Mahometmom wrote on September 17, 2012 at 8:09 pm

Did anyone read the article? Or did you just start spouting off because they mentioned Jesus. These are people who want to help you prepare for a natural disaster or an economic disaster. That could be community wide, or that could be personal. If you lost your job or were hurt and could not work, wouldn't it be nice to have some basic supplies and some cash set aside? Years ago when I was a first time mom, my 2 year old son looked up at me and said, "Mom, I'm hungry." It was then that I decided I never want to be in a position that I couldn't feed him because I was too prideful to listen to those who counsel us to prepare. I saw no anti-government bias from these people, just the truth. There are not enough government resources to help everyone in the case of major disaster. We need to be responsible for ourselves. They stated that the government is trying to tell us that we need to prepare. And yes, I’m sure they would feed you if you are Jewish, but they would rather give you knowledge to act on now so you can feed yourself later.

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 17, 2012 at 10:09 pm

It is a bunker mentality which can become a self fullfilling prophecy if enough people buy into it.  The people make up the government if they put their mind to it.  So far; national emergencies, and disasters have been met with government, and local cooperation.  It will continue that way as long as people realize that they are the government instead of believing that the government is some mysterious boogey man.

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 17, 2012 at 11:09 pm

It's ironic that a member of the Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints is urging readiness for a natural disaster, or a national emergency while Mitt Romney is running for president.  Perhaps, everyone will be on their own?

EL YATIRI wrote on September 20, 2012 at 3:09 am
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All devout mormon families stockpile 6 months worth of food and supplies as a matter of their doctrines and dogma.  The LDS church also has huge stockpiles.
 

But it is all for mormons, none of it for all people.

Mike wrote on September 18, 2012 at 5:09 am

I read the article. No, sorry. I stopped when I got to the part about the government shutting off the Internet like there is some master switch out there. These people obviously know NOTHING about what the Internet is and how it works. 

Imagine if "the government" wanted to prevent people from getting from Mahomet to Champaign. Well, they might put a roadblock on I-72. So you'd just drive a bit and take I-74. So they might put a roadblock there as well. People would take route 10 or whatever Springfield Avenue turns into. So they roadblock that. You have what, like 192 other ways to get from Mahomet to Champaign going through the country, right? The Internet is like that, only like times a million. There aren't enough government personnel to shut down the Internet. They would have to shut off power to essentially the entire world to shut off the Internet. Sound crazy now? Yes, because it is.

The Internet hasn't been around for hundreds of thousands of years of civilization and things worked fine. If "they" shut it off, I'm sure things will be okay. Nobody will run out of water if the Internet "goes down."

They are crazy religious kooks, nothing else. Although using "crazy" and "religious" in the same sentence is a bit redundant...

cbryant0079 wrote on September 18, 2012 at 7:09 am

 Well for one thing there is a cutoff switch for the internet, and the government does in fact control that. All that is needed is for the government to cut the power to the mainframe computers that actually power the internet and all the servers have no place to serve. Bill Gates only created the internet but the government actually does maintain control of all businesses within the US. If they feel that it is in the best interest of National Security, they can shut it down. As you pointed out, they can shut off every roadway between Champaign and Mahomet if they choose to. Yet, there are ways to get from one to the other without the aide of the government and that is precisely what the meeting was pointing out. Why would the internet going down disrupt anything because we did just fine without it before? Well to be honest that statement alone shows your ignorance. We are more dependant upon technology now than any other time in history. If the internet goes down then food will not be ordered and shipped to the stores you shop at, did you know that? There is not someone going around writing what is needed to stock the shelves and then going in to place a telephone call anymore. It is done automatically with an RFD gun and they scan the barcodes which in turn puts the information into the store system and lets the warehouses know that this amount of this product is needed in the next shipment. None of which would get done if the internet shut down. There was nothing biased about what those people were saying, the only biased comments I read were from people like you responding. Yes they believe in God, so what, did that change the fact that they were given commonsense advice that your own mother would have given you? No it doesn't. Did you know that most power grids and yes water treatment plants are run on computer systems now, I bet you did not know that or else none of the rhetoric I read that you posted would have been there to read.

 

jthartke wrote on September 18, 2012 at 6:09 pm

Other than trudging cross country through other people's property, just what is the way to get from Champaign to Mahomet without using a government funded road?

dw wrote on September 19, 2012 at 2:09 pm

by air (ultra-lights are pretty cheap, and can be DIY).   http://www.affordaplane.com

by rail -- the railroads are private, which is why Amtrak has such difficulties schedule-wise:  the rails are not government owned/controlled.  And yes, Google Maps shows that there's track that goes between Mahomet and Chamapign.  And you can modify a bicycle to ride on the rails: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl9EfFrguQs&feature=related

But honestly, why wouldn't you use the County Roads built by YOUR Champaign County Government?!?!?   These are not federally controlled roads.

The idea that the government is able to just "shut off" things and keep it shut off is the realm of those that are incapable of thinking out of the box.

But the point is lost -- you cannot shut off the Internet, there are no power switches:  if the main routers go down, they will start routing through the smaller routes, which is what the author was trying to get folks to realize by likening the Internet to our road system.  This automatic re-routing feature is how the Internet is designed to work on a daily basis: you can take down the backbone (aka Interstates) and Information will still flow (albiet slower) through the smaller "local" routes.

ClearVision wrote on September 19, 2012 at 10:09 am

"Well for one thing there is a cutoff switch for the internet... All that is needed is for the government to cut the power to the mainframe computers that actually power the internet...  Bill Gates only created the internet..."

It's good that you include "facts" like these in your screeds. It gives you the credibility you deserve.

natebaux wrote on September 20, 2012 at 2:09 am

its painful to see someone be misinformed to this extent.

but...they are not completly wrong.

do you think, i mean really think, att, verizon and comcast are going to say no when they are served with a doj letter stating they are to power down the servers? cause thats what the internet is. the agreement between the telecoms to share information. i dont know exactly "where" this info is going to be routed when and IF these go down. you connect your box, laptop, router to a company that in turn connects to a telecom. please consult a cisco server installation and service guide for further information.

got some search terms for you. cybersecurity legislation, executive orders, dhs. no one was screaming about having the radios shut off back in '34, but then again i wasnt there. this is the topic that is being refered to in the article, the reworking of the eo concerning communications networks.

why would anyone fear that kind of action by our own government? imo its got a lot to do with legislators being forced to vote on bills they havent read. which seems to be a growing trend.

the 7 inches of snow we got last year didnt clear the shelves at the grocer like it did the previous 3 years. ive seen them go bare when the big front moves in. nobody wants to go without. its not too hard to imagine a situation where that is extended for a week or so. like the largest assembled naval armada recorded history, as of 9/18/12, has ever seen. its just not something that should be easily dismissed.

EL YATIRI wrote on September 20, 2012 at 3:09 am
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Why wait for the disaster.  Are there not hungry, sick, marginalized people right now?

I have no problem with Jesus or Christians in general.  But I do have a problem with the Christian talibans and their denial of science and insistence that the bible is factually correct and inerrant.  I am not going to plan my life around the literature written by bronze age barbaric hebrews who were ignorant, vermin and lice infested, superstitious sheep shaggers who thought their thunder god controls everything.

natebaux wrote on September 20, 2012 at 2:09 pm

jesus was not actually mentioned in the above article. i looked twice.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, was however.

EL YATIRI wrote on September 20, 2012 at 4:09 pm
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"This is very much Christ-centered".  "The group, known informally as the Christian Emergency Preparedness Network, wants church and civic groups to band together and prepare food, water, equipment, expertise, security and more for what they believe is an impending crisis."

 

Jesus was indeed mentioned.  Who was Christ?  The 2 guys mentioned in the article are christian talibans. Your comment is just plumb dishonest.

natebaux wrote on September 21, 2012 at 1:09 am

ok, there is a distinct difference. its a timeline thing.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/pda/thread.php?topic_id=11622

 

bruce wayne wasnt born a hero, he BECAME the bat.

americanproud wrote on September 18, 2012 at 8:09 am

All of the naysayers who mock and ridicule the growing concern in this country regarding the need to prepare ourselves FOR THE WORST should take an in-depth look at Executive Order 13603.  Obama himself could, at any moment he deems necessary, enact martial law in the USA and leave us totally dependent on the government.  He has given himself the authority to declare a state of emergency.  Read how life in our country would change in a instant:  https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2012/03/22/2012-7019/national-d....

 

cbryant0079 wrote on September 18, 2012 at 9:09 am

All any president needs to declare martial law is a declaration of war and he can hold office for five years without an election being held. If you think we have to hold an election every four years think about this: In a state of martial law the constitution holds no authority, only the president can decide to hold an election. Do you really think he would hold an election if there was a chance for him to lose? People in America have become so ignorant it seems that we are dooming ourselves to fall, not from an invasion but from an internal collapse because there is very little commonsense going around to hold us together anymore. I know what you think we can just kick him out when we feel he declares martial law and put someone in that knows what they are doing right? Well how would you find him, hmm? How many underground bunkers are there for him to hide in? he controls the military. All we can do is hope that he does not give an order that leads to our deaths. Doomsdayers, fanatics, crazies, those are just a few of what ignorant people call those that wish to be self sufficient, relying on no one but themselves while considering everyone else by warning them that these things are very real threats to the American way of life that so many have began to take for granted. People our government is not there to help us. In fact, in recent years it has done very little for us and a great deal to harm us as a nation. We have followed the ways of ancient Rome for far too long and what happened to them? They collapsed!

 

read the DI wrote on September 18, 2012 at 8:09 pm

Sure, and since it's Obama, it's actually GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!

Aiiiiyyyyyyyeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Good lord, the crazies are out in force in Champaign these days.

 

 

 

Mark Taylor wrote on September 19, 2012 at 3:09 pm

Hey, if it's good enough for Patsy Cline...

factoid wrote on September 18, 2012 at 8:09 am

Have you seen the government site http://www.ready.gov/?

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 18, 2012 at 9:09 am

Based on some of the comments regarding the "government", it would seem that some are against the "government" instead of supporting it.  The "government" is not some boogey man.  It is made up of citizens who are from all backgrounds.  It is not a Democrat conspiracy; or a Republican facist state.  The "government" in the United States has served the people of the United States through economic depressions, natural disasters, national emergencies, and many wars.  There are no secret detention camps, hovering black helicopters, or maintained lists of enemies.  Why do we have so many conspiracy nuts stockpiling ammo, and guns?  Americans are shocked that other countries hold ridiculous views of their country; but many Americans hold similar views of their own country.  It makes one think that some "patriots" want something bad to happen to their country.

cbryant0079 wrote on September 18, 2012 at 9:09 am

HAHA it is not guns and ammo that are being stockpiled, it is food and water, you know the basic necessities for living. It is not that I hate the government, I come from a military family, thank you very much and my ancestry traces directly back to Stephen Bryant which came over on the Mayflower. I love my country, but I fear this government now, because it is self-serving. You are right the government, in the past, helped with the Great Depression, so what, it has helped to create an even greater one today. We are lied to for our benefit? No we are lied to so they can maintain control of our lives. Are we really free? Nope we pay to eat and drink, that is basic necessities of life, don't believe me go to the store and take a bottle of water without paying. The LAW will arrest you and take you to jail. For simply obtaining a basic life necessity. The water should not be owned and yet the government allows it to be. The common man can not dip a glass of water out of Lake Michigan, yet the Nestle Corporation can put in a pipe and pump 400,000 gallons of water each day out, and then bottle it and sell it to you for a profit. Did you know that? Bet not. I like the fact that there is a government in place but when it's bad policies conflict it's purpose for being in place, I do not feel the need to follow it, and I think everyone should be made aware of what is really happening. I am not saying the world is ending, but the inevitable, inevitably happens and you should be prepared to fend for yourself because the stores will be closed and electric and water could be down for an undeterminable amount of time.

read the DI wrote on September 18, 2012 at 8:09 pm

Well, no point in paying the mortgage, I suppose. SWEET!

 

natebaux wrote on September 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm

actually, if MERS had anything to do with your mortage....then no, there isnt. file for a quiet title, and the house is yours. but hey, im just a conspiracy nut, why listen to me.

natebaux wrote on September 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm

you wanna run that by me again how 12 guys with boxcutters managed to defeat the worlds most sophosticated air defence system on the planet?

the boogy man is very real, he just dosent hide under the bed. you wont believe it until it takes your property, or tells you that because you did nothing, you now receive a $1200 fine. maybe you have to watch your flight pull away as the tsa give you the petty little smirk, that says " yea, i just did that." the big kicker for me was seeing my reps vote on bills they werent allowed to read. what kind of shadow government do we have here? ever hear of the ndaa? you are banned* from posting here until you have it down pat. quote from wiki (cia-pedia)

The suspension of Habeas Corpus has occurred in United States history; former (and current) president(s) Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses Grant, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama have all signed the suspension of Habeas Corpus.

thats no little thing bro.

 

 

 

 

* possesses no actual ability to ban users.

Mark Taylor wrote on September 21, 2012 at 8:09 pm

So you've been kicked of flights FOR DOING NOTHING TOO??????

That Obamumist secret govermint did that to me too. All I did was talk about [redacted] and they [redacted] my [redacted] into the [redacted] faster than a [redacted] horseshoe crab at a [redacted] convention.

I also share your ANGER that the News-Gazette revoked my natural born right to ban other posters here.

STM wrote on September 18, 2012 at 12:09 pm

I'm appalled by these doomers.  When you dig down to the core of why these people are praying for Armageddon, it's so the almighty along with some help from well-armed, like-minded zealots will cleanse the world of all the "bad" people (whoever they deem that to be). Then they envision living in some paradise until the sun burns out or something.

Nuts.

Beneath it all, they want to wipe out or out-last the competition and take their stuff —in a word, greed.

Ultra-right-wing characters like Mark Thompson want no part in building a better society.  They simply want to tear it down and hope some deity comes along and sets everything right and hands everything over tothem. This is where religious dogma loses me.  It gives people the peace of mind to trash the Earth and not sweat the consequences. These people need to get a life and stop wishing for calamity.

 

cbryant0079 wrote on September 18, 2012 at 12:09 pm

I agree STM, religious dogma is lost on me. It is not a religious aspect that worries me, it is simply the greed of mankind. You are right, I want to live. Simple as that, and if being prepared for a disaster means I am a zealot then so be it. Most people do not realize they are stockpiling food for winter, or for storms, or for any other short term emergencies, they just do it. To prove my point go to your pantry and count how many items are there. Go on, do it. Then come back and tell me there is food there for only today. There is more than that isn't there. Not because you were afraid of the world ending though. Simply because you do not want to have to go out everyday to buy something to eat. All we "preppers" are saying is to do it with a purpose. Know what you might need and plan for it. Worse case scenarios, and more to the point the government says to be prepared for disasters. All because it has not happened to you before does not mean it CAN NOT. Plan for the worst, hope for the best. Can you guarantee the power grid will not go down? That it will be back up in a few hours, a few days? No, you cannot, and that is the very real things that need to be planned for. I believe we are destroying the planet for the sake of a few getting rich. I eat only organic foods, most grown in my garden, I strive to make as little impact on the planet as I can. I am not an anarchist, I believe in government and authority, but I have issues with our current government, that is all. This should not become a political debate or a speech about religious zealots, but those things are very real. Those are threats to our society that do in fact need to be addressed. The constitution, which most seem to forget gives everyone the right to voice their religious views, however because so many wish to not have someone elses views shoved in their face they feel they have the right to tell them they are wrong. Well, can you prove they are wrong? No more than they can prove they are right. The truth is only time will tell. Stay prepared my friends and do not worry about what the nay sayers think because if a disaster does strike they will not last long enough to matter anyway.

read the DI wrote on September 18, 2012 at 8:09 pm

So, uh, whatcha gonna do a year from now when Obama is still president and the sky has not fallen? Double down on the guns and religion and stuff?

EL YATIRI wrote on September 20, 2012 at 3:09 am
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It is sickening to see all the polititians pandering to the christian talibans.

natebaux wrote on September 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm

im late to the party, can you elaborate on that?

mankind wrote on September 18, 2012 at 2:09 pm

I would think the best way for a community to survive a disaster is for everyone to share what they've got unselfishly. You'd think that a group that gathers under the banner of Christianity would agree, but instead we're being told that those who survive will do so because they hoarded food in their basement and guarded it with firearms. If we ever get a disaster so large that people are starving to death, and every able bodied citizen is too busy fighting for their own survival to give a hoot about anyone else, then civilization has gone completely off the rails and even the most devoted hoarders will probably last only a couple weeks longer than the rest of us. In that case I'll just walk toward the nearest prepper's house and let him send me to Jesus.   

cbryant0079 wrote on September 18, 2012 at 2:09 pm

There you have it, after reading these statements are you going to prepare or just hope for the best. I never said I would not share, but I feel we are all giving the opportunity to prepare for ourselves and all the naysayers want to do is justify their ignorance because it was a church that said to prepare and not the government they rely so heavily upon. Oh wait, the government is saying it. The point of the matter is this, you have the chance to prepare, why spend your time complaining about who said to prepare instead of preparing? Why rely on a stranger being nice enough to give YOU the supplies he intended to give his child instead of having your own. I am not hiding behind any banners. My name is out there on each post not some made up name to hide my identity. mankind, STM, just two examples. Nor am I posting this for fame or fortune, not going to get either. I am posting because the article was good old fashioned commonsense and to many idiots jumped up and down on the message because it was Christians that said to prepare. Whether it is for armageddon or the power grid going down or a zombie apocalypse, who cares what it is for. Most people want to live, I say most because some want to die. Christians especially long for death, and in the worst case scenarios why depend on anyone but yourselves. Why take the message out of context, they did not say they were stockpiling guns and ammo did they? No. But they must be religious fanatics, well here is a Bible message for you, before armageddon and the great tribulation, is the rapture, in which God calls all his people home. That means the the Christians will not be here for what they are telling us to prepare for. But those people were not saying it was an end of the world disaster, just be prepared for a disaster. Why? The government may not be able to respond quickly, depending upon the disaster. Look at hurricane Katrina, what was the response time there? Do you know how long it took for each individual to receive aide? Oh you don't live on the coast so no disasters happen there, tornadoes never stike here. There are no floods or anything like that are there? No. For whatever disaster never happens why take a chance on it happening and not being ready for it? But I digress, it is your life not mine. I maintain three different bug out bags in my house as well as stored foods and water for my family, and a get home bag in my car in case i break down in the winter or bad weather makes it impossible to drive home.

Do as you wish just do not call people crazy because they would rather be safe than sorry. Right I forgot it is your constitutional right to speak, just as it is their right to believe in whatever God they wish. Using one right to step on another, how stupid is that.

 

mankind wrote on September 18, 2012 at 4:09 pm

First, just because a comment is anonymous doesn't mean it's an invalid opinion. There are plenty of good reasons to guard your identity. Secondly, I have no problem with the fact that Christians are talking about this. In fact I think it's a good idea, because churches would be a natural gathering place during the kind of apocalyptic scenarios that are being described. My problem is that Christians are preaching hoarding and suspicion instead of selflessness during times of need.

ClearVision wrote on September 19, 2012 at 10:09 am

Thirdly, just because somebody posts with a real-looking userid does not mean they are who they pretend to be.

juandez wrote on September 18, 2012 at 2:09 pm

Wait, so you believe that Bill Gates created the Internet?

Also you think there is a central mainframe computer that somehow makes up the core of the Internet?

cbryant0079 wrote on September 18, 2012 at 3:09 pm

Haha, no, there was not a single person that created the internet. Would you like a history lesson? That was just a point to be made. Every other naysayer was stuck on it being a church that said to prepare, I merely wanted to prove the government should not be so readily relied upon. If they choose to disrupt the service it is well within their power to do so. Glad that was the one piece of information you came away from this whole discussion with. I am sure Leonard Kleinrock would be proud.

cbryant0079 wrote on September 18, 2012 at 3:09 pm

When speaking about computers or the internet Bill Gates is the name most commonly known, that was why I used his name lol.

read the DI wrote on September 18, 2012 at 8:09 pm

Silly, of course Bill Gates didn't create the Internet. God did.

 

tee hee hee

Mike wrote on September 19, 2012 at 9:09 am

Thank you, juandez.

juandez wrote on September 18, 2012 at 2:09 pm

Wait, so you believe that Bill Gates created the Internet?

Also you think there is a central mainframe computer that somehow makes up the core of the Internet?

Jam wrote on September 18, 2012 at 4:09 pm

Here is a crazy idea.  Let all of those who want to participate with this group do so.  All others who do not want to particiipate should go do something else.  That way everyone is happy.

cbryant0079 wrote on September 18, 2012 at 4:09 pm

Excellent suggestion Jam. I just don't think people should be easily talked out of doing a wise thing. I felt the need to debate with those who think only nutters do this kind of thing. Perhaps I convinced a few of the naysayers to stop and think about it themselves. I have an IQ of 158 and do not consider myself a doomsdayer, just a person that puts science to practical use. Science has shown these things do happen. Why should anyone be allowed to spout their rhetoric about it not happening and convince so many people not to do something because of religious or political ideology and not be called on it. If they can sum up their reasons for not believing in just a few sentences then they are not believable. I say that simply because nothing in the world is explained to its fullest potential in a few words or sentences. But the naysayers were only stuck on the points of religion and weapons, yet I do not recall the article saying they were stocking up on ammunitions or that they were doing this because of their religious views. Nor did they say they would not share, I believe that was the whole point of the article, to make people aware that there would be a network of people there to help in that area, but self- preparedness was the best bet.

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 18, 2012 at 7:09 pm

For someone with a self reported IQ of 158, you should brush up on your use of commas.  I am taking your advice though.  I bought four more cases of beer, and twenty four boxes of crackers.

read the DI wrote on September 18, 2012 at 8:09 pm

Can I come over?

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 19, 2012 at 5:09 am

Sure, bring some candles with you.  The neighbors are bringing the charcoal.  My brother is bringing the hot dogs.

ClearVision wrote on September 19, 2012 at 11:09 am

Hebrew National dogs, I hope?

EL YATIRI wrote on September 20, 2012 at 4:09 am
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Me too, and I have a 6 month supply of cannabis for my medical problems.  I just hope "the government" doesn't bust me for it.

ROB McCOLLEY wrote on September 18, 2012 at 8:09 pm
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It appears that the government has already cut power to the "Enter" and "Return" keys on most of Champaign's computer keyboards.

 

On the bright side, I'm warming up to Sid. I like beer & crackers too.

 

I assume that now (it's after sundown)  Rosh Hashanah is over,  we can come over and gorge ourselves?

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 19, 2012 at 5:09 am

Sure.  Read the DI is coming over also.  Can you bring some pickles?

serf wrote on September 18, 2012 at 9:09 pm

Let me (sort of) come to CBryant's defense.

 

Preparation is a good thing.  I am prepared.  I have about 4 weeks worth of food in the basement (canned food lasts a long time, no reason not to stock up at once).  I also have a backpack set up in the basement with most of the necessities, should I need to run out of the house and not come back for a while.

The public health district promotes preparedness 'Stock 2 for flu' (in case of a flu pandemic).

 

My idea for the backpack came from FEMA, who urges you to 'build a kit.'  

 

These are all good ideas.  It's nothing to laugh at.  However, CBryant, if I may...

 

The reason you are getting such ridicule is because of the phrases that always seem to inevitablly follow the sound advice of emergency preparedness.  Phrases like 'impending crisis' and 'I love my country but fear my government.'  It makes people think of nutjobs like militia members and Branch-Davidian compounds.  

 

People can (and should) be prepared for natural disasters and emergencies.  It's good, solid, common sense.  But when you wrap it up in a cloak of government conspiracy and end-of-days talk, people are justifiably turned off.

 

Sid had it completely right when he talked about the government.  We are the government.  I am the government, my neighbors are the government, some of my family is the government.  It's not out to get you.  It's us.

ROB McCOLLEY wrote on September 18, 2012 at 9:09 pm
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" I also have a backpack set up in the basement with most of the necessities, should I need to run out of the house and not come back for a while."

 

Yikes. 

serf wrote on September 18, 2012 at 10:09 pm

Okay, maybe I oversold that one.  Basically it's my hiking backpack that I store when not in use.  Sleeping bag, tent, mess kit, etc...

ClearVision wrote on September 19, 2012 at 11:09 am

Let's hope that crisis doesn'rt involve your basement flooding, or an earthquake-induced house collapse. Just to be safe, make up a kit for the attic, too.

serf wrote on September 19, 2012 at 9:09 pm

I assume this is your best attempt at sarcasm.  Weak.

natebaux wrote on September 20, 2012 at 3:09 am

i dunno, was kinda witty. digging through 3 ft of rubble is better than 12.

cbryant0079 wrote on September 19, 2012 at 3:09 pm

I agree serf, we the people, is how is suppose to be. It is not that way though and we all know it. If you truly know yourself to be the government then go tell the president to bring every person home from Iraq and see what you are told. We could march on Washington and demand it but since we are not the government and the government is going to do as it pleases dispite our wishes, that will do no good. We can not rely on someone that does not listen to us. We say end the war, he says when I am ready to, we say decriminalize marijuana, he says no reason to. Yet, science has proven that cannabinoids extracted from cannabis and injected directly into a cancerous tumor, causes the tumor to die. That my friends is the cure for cancer. Yet, the government continues to tell us that there are no medicinal properties of the plant. It causes white women to want to have sexual relations with black men. For those of you that do not know what I am talking about, that is the reason marijuana was made illegal in the first place. Government paid scientists have performed tests paid for by the government and they have concluded that there are over a thousand different diseases that cannabis helps and cures, yet it is still illegal, even after the majority of the populace demands it be decriminalized and sold as a medicine. Why would they do that? I will tell you, big pharmaceutical companies, which are major political contributors, stand to lose billions of dollars. They would no longer receive the money for cancer research or chemo therapies or any of the other useless means they use to lie to the people making them believe they are another year closer to a cure, when in all reality they forced the cure to be illegal to obtain. So you go ahead and trust in the government to do as you wish it to, I will not because it is self-serving and puts my interests to the side for more profittable ventures.

 

serf wrote on September 19, 2012 at 9:09 pm

*sigh*

 

I tried.

read the DI wrote on September 19, 2012 at 9:09 pm

Bleach kills the AIDS virus on contact. So clearly we should be injecting AIDS patients with Clorox.

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 20, 2012 at 12:09 pm

cbryant0079;  Are you stockpiling reefer also?  What does marijuna have to do with being prepared for a national emergency, or natural disaster?

EL YATIRI wrote on September 20, 2012 at 12:09 pm
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It is medical for my dystonia, insomnia.  

EL YATIRI wrote on September 20, 2012 at 1:09 pm
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END CANNABIS PROHIBITION!

asparagus wrote on September 21, 2012 at 10:09 pm

"It causes white women to want to have sexual relations with black men. For those of you that do not know what I am talking about, that is the reason marijuana was made illegal in the first place."

Then love, liquor and hormones should be outlawed too?

 

 

justmwa wrote on September 18, 2012 at 11:09 pm

"Preppers"... lol.... never heard of it until this article. Shows how much attention i give the doomsdayers, conspiracy theorists and paranoids. Live your lives. Enjoy the here and now.  Stop by Sids and have a beer. Chill people. btw... thanks for the laugh!

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 19, 2012 at 5:09 am

I am going to need more lawn chairs. 

B-Evs wrote on September 19, 2012 at 9:09 am

So, they're scared because of the Zombie Pandemic awareness poster?  Should they make sure to pack a sense of humor in with the water bottles?

cbryant0079 wrote on September 19, 2012 at 3:09 pm

LOL, I do not believe in zombies. There are more very real dangers out there to worry about.

C in Champaign wrote on September 19, 2012 at 1:09 pm

I did not read the entire article, but I have read many of the comments. I find it interesting that people take shots at the idea of being prepared for a disaster of some kind. How, in any way, is that a bad idea? There are numerous comments that refer to the need as small because the government has emergency plans in place, and will be able to handle whatever comes along. Really? Maybe the residents of New Orleans would have a different view of that one.


There are no good reasons NOT to have a preparedness kit, and dozens of reason TO have at least a basic one. Reasons like extended power outages, a contaminated water suppy, storm related emergencies. I remember ice storms that went through and left tens of thaousands of people right here in central Illinois without power for days, or even weeks. If you happen to live out in the country, no power equals no well water.


And, not that I think that people should be stockpiling guns or ammo, but has anybody seen the news that the Department of Homeland Security has ordered/purchased 1.4 BILLION rounds of high powered rifle ammunition in the past six months? That is 5,800+ rounds for each of DHS's 240,000 employees. Is the Obama administration gearing up for a Zombie apocalypse, or would it just be the religious gun fanatics that are?

jthartke wrote on September 19, 2012 at 3:09 pm

Just an FYI, most of those rounds purchased by the government are used on firing ranges to ensure that agents are properly trained. They shood the same ammo on the range that they do in the field so that they are used to it. Shooting c couple thousand rounds on a firing range every year to remain qualified and trained is not that strange.

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 19, 2012 at 3:09 pm

jthartke;  Thank you for explaining it to him.  That government conspiracy ammo purchase is common among the gun toters.  The Sovereigns love to get their undies in a wad over it.  Next, it will be the government black helicopters story.  Their websites go nuts over the make believe junk.  Wonder if they would buy powered water on-line?

asparagus wrote on September 19, 2012 at 4:09 pm

If some type of global disaster occurrs that causes the collapse of global society it will result in the death many, many  millions if not billions of people.  Nobody can prepare for that, and nobody can forsee how to remain safe.

That said, as a species, we have artificially enabled the support of so many humans on this planet (and the population has not yet peaked) that should some key technologies falter there could be a significant global effect.  Already, the poorest in the world suffer and die on a regular basis due to trade policies, embargoes, climate changes, natural disasters, war, etc... For them, the "apocalypse" is every day, here and now.  Why not worry about saving your poor brothers and sisters in dire straits right now instead of preparing for something fairly unlikely to occur any time soon.

 

  

read the DI wrote on September 19, 2012 at 9:09 pm

Tornado = disaster.

Government-led apocolypse = crazy talk.

Mark Taylor wrote on September 19, 2012 at 3:09 pm

I tell you what, that dang Obama -- he's gonna take our dang intertubes away just like he's taken our freedoms already.

OBAMA IS COMIN FOR YER INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!11!

I got my gun ready and waiting for them govmint union secular hummanist thugs. Me and Jeebus will fight them off with our shotguns and bibles.

What are YOU looking at??? You're plotting to steal my food and ammo, aren't you!???! I got my eye on you and my guns are all loaded and ready so you best watch yourself!!!!

You citified moochers better stay the dang heck off my property!!!!!

Mahometmom wrote on September 19, 2012 at 10:09 pm

Well, I guess those of you who have nasty things to say to those of us who prepare can sit at home and wait to be saved by FEMA. Just be sure to mark your door, "Preppers not welcome" so we can move on to help people that would like the help. We do live very near an earthquake zone. Here in Mahomet a major earthquake would take down bridges on all the highways leading into town. Yes trucks could probably find a way in, but I don't think we would be the #1 priority for the government or any retailer. Religious, atheist whatever we all have to eat and wipe our backsides and I'm going to have food and tp to take care of basic needs. Things we use throughout the year and rotate, it just is the smart thing to do. So laugh away. I hope I die with a year's supply in the basement and it is given to a homeless shelter. But if I have to use it, my family and others will be blessed by my forethought. I hope the thinking population takes the opportunity to learn from people that are organizing events to teach us to be better prepared. If we all do a little more, in the case of a disaster, we would be able to come together as a community and take care of each other.

justmwa wrote on September 20, 2012 at 12:09 am

I would bet you'd have a better chance of hitting Power Ball on all numbers than living to see New Madrid rumble hard enough to take out bridges going into Mahomet. The last time it rumbled the hardest was 1811 (if i remember correctly). Even then, the most damage was around areas bordering the Mississippi River. Straight line winds are a bigger threat around here, but Gifford, Penfield & other areas proved they could overcome those events without stock piling necessities out of "preppers" paranoia. Even the people in Ogden overcome the F3 Tornados in the 90's very well, considering they never saw that night coming. They persevered & life went on. Just saying!

ROB McCOLLEY wrote on September 20, 2012 at 3:09 am
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Nah, she's right.

 

After the temblor, people would have to drive down the embankments & berms to access I-74. I call that anarchy.

Sid Saltfork wrote on September 20, 2012 at 10:09 am

Mahometmom;  I do not believe that we are saying nasty things toward you, or others who have some items stockpiled in case of an emergency.  I have batteries, flashlights, fire extinguishers, candles, oil lamps, and canned goods available for such emergencies.  I experienced the Urbana ice storm without power for five days.  I have lived in areas where I was cut off from necessities due to floods, and tornados.  Stockpiling items for a week, or two makes good sense.  We are not reacting to you.  We are reacting to the opinion that the government is our enemy; and that we will be on our own.  The man quoted in the article has connections with the Rifle Association.  He was speaking in a church.  We have seen the paranoids embacing Christ, and guns before.  If you are preparing for disasters, and plan to come together with your community to care for others; I applaud you.  Your comments seem to portray that attitude.  We have been reacting to the other commentor who seems to be the stereotypical anti-government paranoid.  The greatest present danger to our country is our fellow citizens.  Timothy McVey, Ruby Ridge, Waco Texas, and a list of more recent events were caused by Christian gun nuts.  We remember; and we are suspicious of rhetoric involving Christ, guns, and preppers stockpiling items.      

EL YATIRI wrote on September 20, 2012 at 1:09 pm
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Mahometmom:  I have no problem with disaster preparedness.  I have supplies for disaster emergencies including an electric generator.

I do have a problem with the guys quoted in the article.  Right wing, extremist religious, christian talibans who want us to believe that they left their politics and religious zealotry at the door. 

They don't fool me for a nanosecond.

 

natebaux wrote on September 20, 2012 at 12:09 am

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read the DI wrote on September 20, 2012 at 8:09 am

You said it all, brother.