No talks scheduled in campus strike

No talks scheduled in campus strike

CHAMPAIGN — As the campus labor union strike moved toward its second day, managers at the University of Illinois have turned to non-union, extra-help employees to serve students hot meals, while members of other unions on campus, as a sign of support, have refused to cross picket lines.

Service Employees International Union Local 73, which represents about 775 building and food service workers on the Urbana campus, went on strike shortly after midnight Monday after members voted down the university's last offer. Negotiations dragged on for about eight months before the union overwhelmingly authorized a strike at the end of January.

Both sides have said they're willing to talk, but no new bargaining sessions had been scheduled as of Monday.

Instead of reporting to work to polish floors, deliver mail or prepare food, many workers spent their Monday shifts picketing outside dozens of buildings around campus. The strike is planned to last for three days.

"We thought three days was enough to demonstrate our seriousness. ... It gives them a taste of what a longer strike would look like," said Local 73 senior field organizer Ricky Baldwin.

Unions are allowed to picket "as long as it's peaceful, you do not create a disturbance or block people from coming and going," said campus spokeswoman Robin Kaler.

No scuffles were reported on Monday.

Meantime, university administrators have been calling in extra-help employees, who work for the university on an as-needed basis. Administrators also have asked academic professionals from different departments to lend a hand.

"We've had a few calls from employees who wanted to work but felt threatened by the union if they did," Kaler said.

Baldwin said there have been reports of a few building and food service workers crossing the picket lines and continuing to work despite the strike. He said the union's bylaws do allow the union to investigate those cases.

"It will be up to the executive board to decide what the penalty will be," he said for those who cross the picket lines.

Campus unions like the Graduate Employees' Organization and American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees have voiced support for the SEIU strike by rallying with the workers. Members of building trade unions are not crossing the picket lines to work on building projects unless there is an emergency. The Campus Faculty Association, in addition to holding a food drive and taking up cash collections for building and food service workers, has urged faculty members to refrain from taking out their garbage and performing work that building service workers do.

"We feel very sorry that it has to come to this. But the university is sitting on a pile of unrestricted cash and they're telling workers a teeny tiny raise is not within their means," said UI Professor Susan Davis, spokeswoman for the Campus Faculty Association.

In addition to bargaining for better wages, SEIU members have expressed concerns about the university contracting out some of their work and they have accused the university of retaliatory discipline during negotiations. Baldwin said the union also is investigating some claims of employees being threatened with discipline Sunday evening before the strike.

On Monday, Associate Provost for Human Resources Elyne Cole sent a message to UI employees detailing the university's last offer to the union as well as reminding employees that those who choose not to work will not be paid. She said the university has not imposed any retaliatory discipline and hiring outside contractors is not being expanded and "is consistent with the terms of the collective bargaining agreements."

According to Cole's email, the UI's recent offer that SEIU voted down included a wage increase "in excess of 2.5 percent during the first year of the agreement" and guaranteed wage increases through 2015.

The three-year contract proposal called for building service workers to move from an entry rate of $12.47 an hour to $17.09 an hour after completing two years. Cooks have a current entry rate of $12.91 an hour and can move up to $14.79 an hour after two years and to $17.49 after four years.

The proposal called for wage rates to be increased by 50 cents per hour, retroactive to August 2012, in the first year; 30 cents per hour in the second year; and 25 cents per hour in the third year. Cole also wrote that members were guaranteed adjustments in the second and third years matching the campus salary plans if the campus wage increases exceeded the negotiated raises.

Raises under the campus wage program can vary annually. In fall 2012, the average was 2.5 percent, and in 2011 it was 3 percent. However, it was zero in the preceding two years.

Since the strike began, Baldwin said, union members "feel stronger now, not weaker."

"We'll meet with (the university) any time. If they have an offer, we'll seriously consider it. But it has to be better than the one members rejected over the weekend," he said.

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aantulov wrote on March 12, 2013 at 6:03 am

They need different leadership.  Someone less interested in making a politcal name and punitive approach.  There are many benifits that university already provides students that would be of intrinic value to many, without affecting budgets. 

Is current leadership trying to make the university see the value of farming out the entire process like in Bloomington? 

Is anyone looking at or publishing the food service contracts with prepackaged items?  That's where the real cost to the budget may lie.  Who's in charge of giveing out those contracts?  Would making a local business using university help, if only for buying milk help the area, budget and area more? 

There is a lot more at play, alot more to gain for both sides, if they could only play nice. How much are they spending on lawyers?

Bullies were never much good at barter.

Trapper wrote on March 12, 2013 at 9:03 am

The days of the BIg unions are coming to an end quickly. No more driving fancy cars and playing golf for the union higher ups off of the backs of hard working people. Enjoy while you can folks. Your time is coming quickly and you know it. I hope these people strike thier way right out of a job. There are pently of people in this area that would start off a job for 12.00. So please keep it up i will galdly take your place and you can take mine on the unemployment line! THANK YOU!

Sid Saltfork wrote on March 12, 2013 at 10:03 am

Trapper;  Take the test.  You too can be a U of I service worker.  Just take the test, and interview.

yates wrote on March 12, 2013 at 11:03 am

C'mon Sid. You know that 700 foreigners means 700 democrat votes. Being the liberal that you are, how could you not love that?

Bulldogmojo wrote on March 12, 2013 at 12:03 pm

A lot of posters using this term "foreigners" and I'm not sure what that means exactly. Help me out here.

Do you mean foreigners like Shahid Khan who also wanted a better standard of living for himself. Shahid Khan the man who went to this univeristy and was cleaned up after by the custodians and fed by the food service workers and protected by the campus police and had his dorm maintained by trades workers electricians and so forth? That foreigner?

Hmmm I guess laborers make an even broader contribution then even I thought.

cretis16 wrote on March 12, 2013 at 1:03 pm

Khan is a US citizen.

Bulldogmojo wrote on March 12, 2013 at 3:03 pm

He is now a US citizen. He was born in Pakistan. You didn't get my post.

cretis16 wrote on March 13, 2013 at 8:03 am

Sorry, I get it now. Unless you are born on US soil, then you cannot be a us citizen. Hmmmmm

Bulldogmojo wrote on March 13, 2013 at 10:03 am

Cretis, what are you babbling about?

My post wasn't about citizenship it was about the derogatory remarks made by other posters using the word "foreigners" in a demeaning way as if they are to be used as filler and could not succeed and also denying the usefullness to the greater cause of education of the people who work at the University regardless of their position.

You can lead a horse to the metaphor...

Sid Saltfork wrote on March 12, 2013 at 12:03 pm

yates;  Use some common sense.  "Foreigners" cannot vote.  What does "liberal", moderate, neo-con, rino, right wing, conservative, or independent have to do with the service workers stirke?  The service workers vote as republicans, democrats, and independents.  Things are not as clear cut as you try to make them.

Sancho Panza wrote on March 12, 2013 at 4:03 pm

I believe that he lived in the YMCA and in a fraternity, so he would not have been fed by or cleaned up after by union workers.

$17.50/hour sounds like a lot of money for being a cook or janitor.  The last I knew most places paid $10 to $12 per hour for that sort of work.

Sid Saltfork wrote on March 12, 2013 at 7:03 pm

$17.50 an hour times 37.5 hours per week based on 52 weeks is $34,125.00 per year.  Check out the poverty line for a family of four.  Of course, the service workers do not work 52 weeks per year so the annual salary is less.  They are also expected to pay more for health insurance now.  Yes, many places pay $10 to $12 per hour for "that sort of work".  Of course; many of those places split tips from customers also for cooks, and others in "that sort of work".  A livable wage is the difference between the working poor, and the lower middle class.  The local economy does better with a lower middle class than the working poor.  Your distinction about "union workers" seems to imply that you have a problem with unions.  If "$17.50 per hour sounds like a lot of money"; take the test, and accept employment with the U of I.  You too can clean toliets, work on a steam table, and do "that sort of work".

Bulldogmojo wrote on March 12, 2013 at 10:03 pm

Never entered or used a university facility? Come on

blmillini2 wrote on March 12, 2013 at 7:03 pm



what do you or did you do for a living????


Sid Saltfork wrote on March 12, 2013 at 8:03 pm

I was a state employee with the Dept. of Human Services for 40 plus years.  I worked on many different things during that time.  I handled large budgets, grants, and provided direct services to the citizens.  I worked with academics, the poor, the middle class, the disabled, the politicians, and businesses.  I was away from home for periods of time when my children were growing up.  I worked on a salary which meant that if I was needed for work at midnight, or 6 a.m. I was there.  Before working for the state; I worked unloading trucks, as a janitor, a bartender, and a store clerk.  I, also, have cleaned toliets; and handled garbage.  I worked my way through college.  My wife worked also to help us acheive a better life.  I retired after the 40 plus years of employment with the state.   I am an old man now.

What do you do; or what did you do?

blmillini2 wrote on March 12, 2013 at 9:03 pm

I worked in the private sector - I too was gone for many of my childrens activities and worked nights - and whenever I was called upon to work ---My job was to be available when the job(s) called for me to be available

What I didn't have was tenure/job protection , thus if I did a lousy job - which I didn't- I could be terminated  - Were you also under job performnance standards. 

---I had no automatic raises- I had holdiays  based on the normal calendar not the state of illinois calendar. What was your holiday schedule - summers off? - 2 weeks at Christmas?

My pension is what I saved(401K) and SS  - no pension with guarantees of a COLA- I paid for your pension once with my taxes and don't want to be taxed and "fee charged" to pay for it a second time.

Why is SS going to be "means tested" and not public sector retirees--.


Just curious , are public sector pension payments taxable? federal & state/local?

I worked to  pay my way to  attend college and worked hard until retiring.

My wife is a nurse and puts up the the dredges of society saving lives without the benefits of public sector employees. What did she get for her pension - nothing - only what she saved.

Like others , I am tired of hearing people say how difficult public sector emplyees have it.

I'm also getting old 

Sid Saltfork wrote on March 12, 2013 at 10:03 pm

blmillini2;  Yes, I was under job performance standards.  I could have been terminated if I did not meet the adminstration established goals for me.  I met them; and surpassed them many years.

I did not have summers off, or 2 weeks for Christmas.  I was a state employee, not a university faculty member, or a university employee.  The majority of U of I employees do not get summers off.  They do not get 2 weeks off for Christmas either.  Faculty members maybe; but not the rest of the employees.  I paid into Social Security along with paying into my pension.  You were taxed; but the money was diverted by the politicians into pork barrel projects, and municipal grants.  The money did not go into the pensions.  That has been reported; and is an acknowledged fact.  I was taxed also just like you.  Your going to continue to be taxed whether the money goes into the pensions now, or not.  

If Social Security is going to be "means tested"; there will be no distinction between public employed retirees, and private employed retirees.

Public sector pensions are taxed by the federal government.  No retirees whether public sector, or private sector are taxed by the state.  That probably will change.

You have a 401k plus personal savings.  I have a pension plus personal savings.

There is no reason for the hating against public sector employees, or private sector employees.  Hating corruption by the politicians is a different matter.  We all made our choices.  My choice is defended by the State of Illinois Constitution, and contract law regardless of what the politicians try to pull.  You would not hear people saying how difficult public sector employees have it if the hate, and jealousy toward the public employees was not expressed so often, and incorrectly.



blmillini2 wrote on March 13, 2013 at 8:03 am

TO Both


I agree "dredges" was a poor word selection and for that I apologize.


You comment the value of your fund/contribution is approx $112,000 ? What is the amount of  $ you receive from your pension annually?  I paid into social security and compounded annually at 4% , it will take between 15 nd 20 years to "get back" what I paid in.

Did you ean that public sector pensions will possibly be "means tested" ?


You blame corrupt politicians but rally behind the St of IL constitution. I hope you support the constitution of our Country with the same vigor!  Right to bear arms/Religious Freedom

I am not jealous of public sector employees - far from it- Both my wife and I  worked hard, contributed to society and thus far are living comfortably. 


Again my apologies , for my very poor choice of words in an earlier post

Bulldogmojo wrote on March 13, 2013 at 8:03 am

I haven't retired yet.

As far as commitment to constitution I see it like a contract like any other contract requiring restraint and commitment by all parties. However the state of Illinois and the management of the University has no regard for contractual agreements. Whether its the state constitution, vendor contracts, labor contracts and benefit contracts such as the health insurance contracts bidding violations or the 50% tuition wavers for employee's children. The contract was to work a minimum 5 years and be working when our child has to go to school and they got rid of it like it was never a contractual agreement voting it out by bundling it into the bill with the free tuition that politicians could give out for free.

So unfortunately the "we need to tighten our belts" and the "shared pain" talking points the politicians are always advancing really mean, managment will clip everyone that is not on their guard to maintain their lifestyle.

Sid Saltfork wrote on March 13, 2013 at 11:03 am

blmillini2;  I think that one thing that might be confusing for you is the differences between the state employees, the university employees, and the teachers.  State employees pay into both their pension system, and Social Security.  University employees, and teachers are not allowed to pay into Social Security.  They pay a higher amount, percentage, into their pension systems.  The pension systems vary.  They are not all the same except for their defense under the State of Illinois Constitution, and contract law.

"Means testing" on Social Security would not apply to the university employees, and teachers since they will not get Social Security.  It would apply to the state employees since they are under Social Security.  The federal government cannot make a distinction between public sector, and private sector Social Security recipients.  That would be like recipients in one state being exempt from "means testing" while recipients in other states would be "means tested".  If it passes, everyone who receives Social Security payments will be "means tested".

Your comment on the "Right to Bear arms/Religious Freedom" is completely different from corrupt politicians diverting money for the pension systems into pork barrel projects for votes, and campaign donations.  That is two completely different issues from what this story is about.  For the record though; I do believe in the right to bear arms, and religious freedom.

There is so much misinformation regarding public employees.  Thank you for asking questions.  It helps to clear up the misinformation.

blmillini2 wrote on March 14, 2013 at 6:03 am



Thanks for your comments - I agree with you about misinformation regrding pulic employees and wish there was an easier way to learn about the entire sysytem .

I'm sure my frustration is based on only partial information. Much of it is based on contacts I have with retired public sector people. The retired professors who gets 80% of her/his ending salary plus a 3% annual COLA compounded---- seems like they will be making more after a few years in retirement that they were working.

Some municipal/school employees get large pay increases in their final years of employment to boost their pensions.

I agree about the misinformation regarding public employees- that would include me!!

Great explanation about "means testing" ---I would comment if it is "fair" to means test SS doesn't it make a LITTLE sense to somehow do the same or something similar for those receiving govt. pensions.

I also agree with you comment on "Rights to BearArms/xxxxx. My frustration is with those with wrap their arms around the constitution when it fits their needs but refute it when it doesn't.



Sid Saltfork wrote on March 14, 2013 at 10:03 am

blmillini2;  Thank you for your comment.  The media always picks the abuse of pensions by the administrators, politicians, and professors.  The reality is that the huge majority of us do not get those sweet deals.  We live just like you.  Most of us are scared to death about the "pension reform".  We worked all of our productive years with an agreement protected by the State of Illinois Constitution, and contract law.  We paid all of those years our required pension payments out of every paycheck.  Now that we are old, and retired; our employer blames us because it did not pay it's required pension payments.

Thanks again for the conversation.  We are more alike than we are different.

Bulldogmojo wrote on March 12, 2013 at 11:03 pm


"Dredges of Society" well that is a telling remark. Based on that I don't think public sector employees are really your problem, but since you feel you are owed an explanation...

We don't pay social security so the state pension is all we have and if you end up getting double taxed to bail it out we will get triple taxed so the unions want it fixed properly also and not as a crash program that would devastate the Illinois economy further.

I personaly am in the University self managed plan with Tiaa-Cref and they actually have the money on deposit as no private sector company would be stupid enough to take an IOU like they have done to traditional SURS members. To date I have paid in $46,608.06 The UofI/state has paid $31,125.11 Total contributions $77,733.17. The current value of the fund as of today is $112,964.37  I'm doing ok, however that doesn't mean I am going to sit quietly and not speak out about how my co-workers are getting ripped off of their pensions and benefits all of which were contractually agreed upon.

The IRS may revoke the state's exemption which is a possibility and they have admited so at a town hall meeting and everyone would go back to paying SS. I believe that is probably the only way to resolve this with $100 billion dollars in the hole and according to the SEC fraudulently represented to bond holders. 

I don't think any civil service employee owes you an apology because you resent the decisions you made for your own career path in the private sector. I do appreciate my quality of life and having time with my family but it certainly is not secure without my doing my job. The only people I know who live a "bloated" overpaid existence are either in Henry or Swandlund administration buildings.

If you went to college like you said then you very likely earned a higher wage over a lifetime than someone who didn't get that opportunity. You're welcome...

aantulov wrote on March 12, 2013 at 7:03 pm

Such poor leadership.  What foolish union lawyer let one of the rank and file tell the cameras "there would not be a flushed toilet without us." Uh insulting an ally, and one who funds the university at that.  And who told them to use small signs and right what they want to on them?  You can't read them and some have them adorned with peace signs.  There's a real button pusher. Leadership without style, class or vision.

Is there not one college kid on campus that support you that you get to make one of those little square jobbys that instantly download to a website with the pictures of these folks kids they are trying to get to the dentist, on your signs or handouts.  

And why ask for money? Seriously.  The UI got Parkland to charge its district 100 million to expand  and raise rates to accomodate Americans it plans to turn down so they can have more foreign cash paying international rates.  Since they have transfer agreements would it be so far fetched to include free tuition at Parkland for staff and kids?  The intrinsic value of that is vast, would cost them next to nothing.  Like anyone cleaning or serving really has use of the tuition waivers they offer.

You know something that makes you seem like parents and people who will train for other jobs and not drain the pension system.  Someone the UI population could relate to.  They sure did'nt seem to be honking for you today. 

And who strikes the week before spring break?

Maybe its not the UI, maybe its your leadership. Hey maybe you could get those bike groups to help picket, now they have power to get things done!




Bulldogmojo wrote on March 13, 2013 at 10:03 am

 I'm having a hard time following the narrative thread of your postings. Are you angry about a sign, out of state tuition you are having to pay, lawyers, Parkland administration or what? can you pin it down for us and how it relates to union wages? I'm not saying you don't have beneficial ideas but the article is about a strike over union wages and benefits. 

FlyinIllini0407 wrote on March 12, 2013 at 8:03 pm

Unions set the wage standard for everybody. If employers would have treated their employees the way they were meant to be treated in the beginning there would have never been a reason for unions. You can thank a union for your work week only being 40 hours instead of 60-70. Also you can thank a union for your benefits, your sick pay, vacation pay, your weekends, the safety standard your employer is SUPPOSED to abide by and your overtime pay among many other positive issues. Unions have fought a long battle to assure every employee rights, union or non-union. Right to Work states have substantially higher poverty rates and accidents/deaths at work. Also the average wage or a non-union member in a right to work state makes over 5K LESS per year than a non-union member of a CB state. You can trash unions all you want but without YOUR just education, you really don't have anything of any value to bring to the table. I am guessing "Danvillian" or whatever is one of those people, who are all for a business only paying an employee 12 dollars an hour, require them to pay their own insurance and still expect them to raise a family in comfort. Unions are not the problem, employers trying to gain as much as they can without taking care of the people who got them there are the true issue. If you want SCAB labor to build all of these beautiful buildings you see popping up all over Champaign-Urbana then be my guest. When the building starts falling apart, and its interior systems (electric, plumbing, floors etc.) start to fail in a matter of just a few years you will be begging and willing to pay union wages to professionals who have been trained to the highest standard to do their job. We aren't talking about cupcake residential stuff here people. We are talking about the commercial structures that are bringing Champaign-Urbana to the new millennium. Central Illinois is home to one of the best and strongest market shares of any trades union, and we remain isolated from the greedy hands of STL and Chicago because we are the best in the business. Keep talking down the unions and trying to get rid of them. Just remember that skilled labor isn't cheap, and cheap labor isn't skilled.

Sid Saltfork wrote on March 12, 2013 at 10:03 pm

Thank you FlyinIllini0407 for the comments.  More need to speak up with the truth. 


outoftownie wrote on March 13, 2013 at 1:03 pm

I also was an employee at the University of Illinois. I had earned a Bachelor's and a Master's in my field. I worked in Crop Sciences, studying a major soybean disease as a research specialist. I was never on a tenure track; every year was a scramble to see if there would be money for the next year. I was eventually laid off because the disease I was working on was not seen as important as another disease that suddenly became more serious and caused a huge diversion of money.

I paid federal, state, and real-estate taxes on my home. I paid 8% of my salary into SURS (State University Retirement System.) By the time I was laid off in 2006, I was earning the princely sum of roughly $32,000 a year. Granted, gas wasn't hugely expensive at the time, and my health insurance wasn't outrageous so I considered that to be fair. Could I have done better in the private sector? Certainly, but I was happy to have what I had.

I noticed around 2004 or 2005 that the Governor Rod B. had decided that he was not going to budget for the State's portion of the pension (which was around 2 billion dollars) and would instead put the money toward other uses. He seemed to think that the State could "catch up" in the future. I felt it was a bad idea that we would all regret sooner or later. But not too many people seemed to mind at the time.

It is funny, because back in the day, when "all I was getting was a pension", people kinda felt sorry for me. Now they are upset because "I have a pension that they have to pay for with their hard-earned tax dollars." It is not me that you should be upset with. The State had that deal in place for those of us working at the University. I did not make enough money to put toward other investments. As Sid stated before, you have a 401k, and I have a pension.

Sid Saltfork wrote on March 13, 2013 at 5:03 pm

Thank you outoftownie.  You explained it quite well.  So much of the animosity toward public service employees results from misinformation, greed, jealousy, and ignorance.  I believe most of the animosity results from misinformation, or the lack of information though.  Thanks again for speaking up. 

Mike wrote on March 13, 2013 at 7:03 pm

I'm curious--by any chance were you an Academic Professional? Because if you were, you'll get no sympathy here.

Don't you know that all Academic Professionals: a) make too much money, b) sit and waste time in front of their computers (like someone mentioned in this or the other thread), c) "work from home" and "mow their lawn" all the time when they should be hard at work, and d) should be categorized in the same positions and categories as the folks in SEIU? 

When you got laid off did you have a "bumping" system whereby you could keep a job at the University, but instead force someone else "below you" out of a job, even if you weren't qualified to do their job? Seniority rules--it doesn't matter the qualifications. 

I apologize for my snarkiness--it is certainly not directed toward you. I hope you have since landed on your feet and gone on to bigger and better things. 

Bulldogmojo wrote on March 13, 2013 at 8:03 pm

Seniority and bumping is dictated by the state civil service system. Send that complaint to them.

If you have contempt for the civil service staff you should dispatch an email to the cvil service staff in your department and let them know how you feel. Be a stand up guy about it. Now don't bother with the "but there are some good ones too" retort. Don't back down be honest with your coworkers about your contempt for them.

BTW did you send that post via your iPhone from home?

Mike wrote on March 13, 2013 at 9:03 pm

Listen, I promised not to argue with knuckeheads on the Internet, and I want to keep that promise. I was replying to someone with advice over how posts seem to go on these sorts of threads.

You just read a posting from an AP who lost their job because of funding. They had no opportunity to "bump" anyone. Yet some of the folks here continue to bash APs like they have some cushy walk in the park. 

I have NO contempt for the civil service staff. I work quite nicely with them, and they quite nicely with me, thank you very much. I have NOTHING bad to say about any of them, and I would think they have NOTHING bad to say about me. I'm not the one making this a "you" versus "them" issue.

We all have our duties at this University. I don't at ALL think that those in the civil service system don't deserve a fair shake. They do. They work hard. They do their jobs well, for the most part. There are lazy folks across all the classifications on campus, and you're kidding yourself if you don't think there are lazy civil servants "among us."

But there is this idea that we should get rid of ALL the "lazy" Academic Professional jobs, because they do "nothing" but mow their yards while "working from home" and that's not true either, as the person above noted. That person made $32,000 a year with a Master's degree doing research on soybean diseases. 

I'm not at all trying to belittle anyone in civil service, but ANY time anyone stands up for anyone OTHER than those in civil service the reply is "oh, but you just despise and hate everyone that is in civil service." That's not true.

The University of Illinois is an educational institution, but it is also a research institution. And it simply cannot function with EVERYONE being either a janitor, food service worker, secretary, or professor. Stop blaming the Academic Professionals for all of the problems that are going on at the University right now.

And not that I need to justify to anyone with where I'm posting from, but I'm at home, on my personal computer, on my personal network that I pay for, that I am not all reimbursed for by the University. And I don't own an iPhone. I have a cheapo one that just makes calls and sends text messages. iPhones are too expensive. 

Bulldogmojo wrote on March 14, 2013 at 12:03 am

You don't need to promise me not to argue. Argue at will. Plead your case. Don't give up your right to speech on my account. As that researcher would himself declare he was not paid for the true value of his work. His department put money ahead of important work that could have impacted soybean production (I'm assuming) and possibly impacting the food supply. Very important work and the leadership of the University chose to turn their back on that and obviously their judgement is in question, yet again. I don't know who started this pseudo class warfare between Ap's and Civil service but it is born out of the fear of loss of livelyhood and a very serious game of financial musical chairs with the music about to stop. We get just as many verbal black eyes as we give on the issue of relevence in the workplace so if you want to de-escalate feel free to start.

What I think is most disconcerting to APs more than anything is the protections that we have in civil service and from the Unions affords us to not have to genuflect in your presence and this seems to cause the most dissonance at least with many APs I have worked with.

Sorry but you may have to stay in the fight a bit longer because there is too much at stake.

“Vigilance is necessary to ensure that public employers do not use authority over employees to silence discourse, not because it hampers public functions but simply because superiors disagree with the content of employees’ speech.”

Thurgood Marshall

blmillini2 wrote on March 20, 2013 at 6:03 pm

As asked before --- your retirement find totals approx 112,000.  What is your annual pension payment.   As stated it will take years to receive back in pension ( what I and my employer paid into SS) what was contributed plus compounding.


how long for you ?