AR-15 raffle already up to $29,000

ATWOOD — The Atwood-Hammond Little League will be reaping the benefits of its gun raffle sooner than expected.

League Commissioner Steve McClain said the fundraiser for the AR-15 rifle has brought in nearly $29,000, with more than two months left before the drawing takes place.

McClain said the original plan was to wait until after the Little League season ends in late June before spending any of the money raised.

But he now said that that process will begin before the games get underway.

"So many people are asking, 'Hey, what are you doing, when are you going to do stuff?' They know the money is there already, so people are wanting to see things," he said. "We're going to be putting in a new T-ball diamond. We've got four teams right now that play on one diamond. A lot of times the kids are out playing in the grass, so we're really wanting to get that extra diamond put in here in the next month or so, before games actually start."

New equipment for the players and teams will also be bought, as well as upgrades to concession-stand equipment.

McClain said the Atwood Village Board is expected to give final approval to building a new field next Monday, after the project got approval from the park board this Monday.

He said people are also offering to volunteer to help build the new field.

The drawing for the AR-15 will take place on June 29.

Four times a year, the Atwood Armory, a gun shop in rural Douglas County, raffles off an AR-15 to benefit a local charity. The business is selling $20 raffle tickets for its April-June fundraiser for youth baseball in Atwood and Hammond.

The prize being raffled includes the firearm and ammunition and is valued at more than $2,000, said Charidy Butcher, who owns the business in rural Atwood with her husband, Bryan.

"We donate a portion of it. What we do is offer it to them at our cost, and then we kick in $500 and some other stuff that goes with it, so they end up paying a small portion for it," Butcher said.

Interest in the raffle spread even before the tickets became available. McClain said earlier that he'd heard from Alaska and Florida.

"You name a state, and we've probably gotten interest from there," he said in March.

"Whoever wins, everything will be done legally. They'll have to go through the background check," Butcher said in March, "just as if they were walking in off the street and purchasing it."

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mankind wrote on April 24, 2013 at 10:04 am

Happy to hear that the Little League will be getting so much money from this. The gun shop owners have good hearts. It's just too bad that it's being raised with the weapon used to kill those kids in Connecticut. You could have picked a different rifle this time out of respect, but then again, I'm guessing a good number of ticket buyers are doing this out of support for the AR-15 as much as they support the kids. You can bet the ticket buyers in Alaska and Florida don't give a hoot about Atwood-Hammond Little League.  

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm

Respect for victims of an assault gun massacre? These people? The people who choose to raffle off a weapon of mass destruction because, you know, screw libs and hahahahahha, this will show those dang stupid libs what we think of their efforts to make the WMDs slighttly less easy to procure.

These people have no idea of what respect for the victims or their families even feels like. This is a deliberate 'screw you' to all the victims, their families, and anyone who is horrified by the slaughter they so blithely celebrate with this disgusting WMD raffle.

They absolutely love the very idea of horrifying advocates of sane gun policies. The really love the idea that most sane people find this WMD raffle horrible.

16jerkal wrote on April 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm

I for one do not own a "asult wepon" all the guns I own are defence wepons yes the bullets we from a gun but who pulled the trigger??

 

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm

This is the voice of the gun nut crowd.

You know, the ones who demand the right to have their guns in bars, at school, in grocery stores, at church and any where else they dang well feel like packing heat and walking around with a chip on their shoulder.

Well spoken, sir.

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm

...or madam...

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm

very true

Atwood Armory wrote on April 24, 2013 at 3:04 pm

That's where you're wrong, we have received NUMEROUS letters of support, and calls from people across the United States in SUPPORTING the Atwood-Hammond Baseball league. Thank you for the comment of us having a good heart. The reason this rifle was picked is because of the lack of supply of this particular rifle, and the quality of the firearm....which is up to our discretion. Thanks again for the compliment.

 

 

m_long1 wrote on April 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

Great job Atwood Armory.  I support your business model and your efforts to assist your local little league program.  Most of the beliefs held by media sensationalists and anti-gun (anti-constitutional) zealots are completely irrational and based on nothing more than their own contrived ideas of what the world "should" be like.  I'm a six year law enforcement veteran who is saddened by the lies being perpetuated by the mainstream media and Washington D.C., lies your detractors unfortunately lap up like a kitten to a bowl of milk. 

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

Since you mentioned it, are you currently employed by a local law enforcement agency? If so, is it in an armed capacity?

Are your superiors aware of your belief in conspiracy theories?

m_long1 wrote on April 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

You aren't even on this forum to have intelligent conversation about the issue, it's obvious you're just looking to argue with people.  Please do some self-reflection and figure out why you're driven to have such discourse with people who have different views than you. Don't bother to respond with another rant, I won't be reading it.  God bless you.

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

Intelligent conversation is not possible with a peddler of much debunked conspiracy theories.

Mockery seems to be an appropriate response.

GoingtoHeck wrote on April 24, 2013 at 7:04 pm

Two thumbs up for Atwood Armory!  I think both my husband and son are going to purchase raffle tickets.  It's a great raffle item with tons of interest and great potential for raising money for the A-H Little League (as has already been demonstrated!!!).  They're so lucky to have you on their team!

Bulldogmojo wrote on April 24, 2013 at 8:04 pm

Thats nice you have a husband and son. There are some wives and mothers in Newtown, Aurora, Columbine and all over this country and the world who don't because someone decided to lash out with a gun. You can thank your nearly opposable "two thumbs up" for that.

They won't need a fundraiser in Newtown for second grade baseball this year...

 

 

andydahl wrote on April 24, 2013 at 4:04 pm

"You could have picked a different rifle this time out of respect..."

I suppose you are equally outraged that Illinois Marathon is happening this weekend.  After all, 3 people lost their lives because of a 26.2 mile race, right?  I'll bet you notice the flaw in my logic, but ignore the one in yours....

 

mankind wrote on April 24, 2013 at 11:04 pm

No. I am critical of the weapon, not the venue where the attack occurred. If they used an exploding pressure cooker as the starting gun at the Illinois Marathon, then I would be outraged. 

m_long1 wrote on April 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

While I commend your appreciation for the success of the Little League program, I would advise you to do some comprehensive research about the Connecticut shooting.  The weapon used was NOT an AR-15, or any other semi-automatic rifle for that matter.  It was a handgun.  I know the media and liberal agenda have created the illusion that an AR-15 was used.  When confronted about this innacuracy, they (reporters/politicians) have simply glossed over their incorrect statements as if it doesn't matter.  All of us, yourself included, should be very upset about being lied to like this, and I would suggest you start to question the mainstream media.  The fact is, a handgun was used in the shooting and an AR-15 was reported to have been in the trunk of the car, but that is under question as well.  Initial photographs taken, which law enforcement report to be them removing the AR-15 from the trunk, actually show a shotgun being removed.  Hmmm....doesn't sound like a lot of honesty floating around. 

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

Nice conspiracy theory. Did you get that from Glen Beck and Alex Jones? Or did you hear that from Rush Limbaugh? Maybe you saw it on Fox?

Do you also believe Obama was born in Kenya?

Is the earth really flat? Was the moon landing faked? Did bigfoot and space aliens frame Oswald and shoot Kennedy?

Are you armed? Did you buy a ticket for the WMD raffle?

m_long1 wrote on April 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

Dear Mark Taylors Ghost.  I almost don't need to reply to you.  Your shallow response shows your lack of consideration for what I said.  I simply stated some FACTS that are available to anyone, but you ignorantly compare them to a handful of conspiracy theories? Shame on you, do a little homework.

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

Your kooky conspiracy theory has been debunked multiple times.

Do your own homework.

GoingtoHeck wrote on April 24, 2013 at 8:04 pm

@ ghost:

 

Troll.

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 8:04 pm

So, what? You believe the conspiracy theory too?

mankind wrote on April 24, 2013 at 10:04 pm

m_long1, we seem to be in agreement about the Little League but I can't let that comment about the AR-15 go past me. Your statement about the AR-15 not being the weapon used at Sandy Hook is based upon an early and inaccurate media report that has since been debunked. Snopes has a pretty thorough and unbiased rundown of why conspiracy theories around Newtown are wrong. You might want to look it up. We know from Newtown and Boston how the rush to get the story leads to many mistakes, and unfortunately those mistakes serve as fodder for conspiracy theories later. Numerous law enforcement officers and the medical examiner have stated clearly, often, and sometimes angrily that an AR-15 was the weapon used in the Connecticut attack. I choose to believe people sworn to uphold the law and their profession instead of bloggers who go on wild tangents over every scrap of inaccurate information that fits their theories.

That said, that's why I have mixed feelings about how the AR-15 has raised so much money for the Little League. No other kind of gun could have raised that kind of cash, and I think the gun shop owners are doing a great service, but on the other hand the AR-15 is a symbol of some very bad stuff these days. 

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 10:04 am

Even without the specter of Newtown still lingering, how does it seem ok to associate little league with an assault weapon? Atwood-Hammond is why decent, intelligent folks shake their heads about small-town America at times. How about raffling off some tickets to sesitivity seminars instead? Aw, what the heck, GIVE the tickets away to these people. Unbelievable...

Sid Saltfork wrote on April 24, 2013 at 11:04 am

I am opposed to the need for assault rifles in the hands of citizens.  However, Atwood needs to raise money for public services as other small communities need to do.  Antique stores, and farm equipment dealerships only donate so much money.  Drive thru downtown Atwood some time, and look at the local businesses.  How would Atwood raise the money if it were not for a raffle?  What item would be most sought after in a raffle?  A side of beef?  A processed hog?  Atwood has a meat market, a Casey's, a tavern, a bank, a grain elevator, a gun shop, and a few other minor businesses.  Their donations do not go far enough to provide for the public needs.  I agree that the raffle of the AR-15 is tacky; but what else would generate the money in a raffle? 

Small communities rarely receive state, or federal grants.  Property taxes on homes, and farmland generates money for the school, and other necessities; but little for programs like Little League.  There is no public swimming pool, theater, skateboard field, etc....  To compare small-town America to metropolitan areas is misleading.  Amazingly, there are "decent, intelligent folks" living in small-town America.  Even though it is tacky raffling off an AR-15; Atwood came up with an item that stirred controversy, and boosted sales of raffle tickets for it's community needs.  

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 1:04 pm

Did you say "tacky" Sid? Associating this type of weapon with a YOUTH sports league - "Tacky?!" How about thoughtless, insulting, unconscionable.

As far as what to raffle - use a grain of imagination. How about the weapon's price in gasoline from their Casey's, groceries or, if they don't have a store, what about just raffling off a wad of cash. C'mon Sid, you're pandering here.

serf wrote on April 24, 2013 at 8:04 pm

Actually, rural communities receive more tax dollars per capita than urban areas. 

 

Yes, there are a lot of decent, intelligent folks in small-town America.  The overwhelming majority of them, IMHO.

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 8:04 pm

Rural areas are takers of tax dollars -- they get more than a buck back for each dollar they pay in taxes.

Metro areas are donors of tax dollars -- we get less than a buck back for each dollar we pay in taxes.

I'm just noting how things are, not suggesting we actually distribute tax money in a more equitable way. However, it does get old when many, not all but many, of them claim to be the only real Americans and then call us moochers while we're subsidizing them.

Atwood Armory wrote on April 24, 2013 at 3:04 pm

Small town America is more sane when it comes to gun control Chicago as a reference before making such insulting comments about small town America. Sensitivity seminars.....give me a break, at some time common sense will need to come to play....your comment is simply UNBELIEVABLE!

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 3:04 pm

Did I say that you are less sane? Case in point again - jumping to conclusions to muster more indignation. It seems to me that Metro America and small-town America share some things in common, like going to extremes.

And how can you even mention common sense in light of Newtown and your raffle? Put yourself in the shoes of one of those parents. I think you and others like you might be lacking a "high-capacity clip," if you know what I mean... 

Oh yeah - so this is how you don't address other comments as you mentioned in your first post? *refer back to high-capacity clip comment...

GoingtoHeck wrote on April 24, 2013 at 8:04 pm

ROFL!  Clearly urbanaman lives in a different world than most of us here in Central Illinois!  We believe in real life.  And the Bill of Rights.  Not sure where you're coming from, but ...

Bulldogmojo wrote on April 24, 2013 at 8:04 pm

Urbana man understands the bill of rights just fine and so did everyone whose last experience on earth was the sound of a gun blast in their direction.

Just so we are all on the same page here and we are all so "law abiding" the 2A literists need to respect the legal interpretations of the Supreme court as well...

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. [United States v.] Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons." 

~Scalia, D.C. vs Heller

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 9:04 pm

TY Bulldogmojo. You know I'm serious about that whole mayor thing, right? ;)

Eminently sensible, judging by your posts. Rare commodity these days...

yates wrote on April 24, 2013 at 9:04 pm

Can any liberal here explain why you hate guns so much but love abortion? They both kill children and they both are legal.  Make your case, go ahead.

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 10:04 pm

Such a typical reactionary response. And you're wrong; abortion does not kill children.

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 9:04 pm

So...what? Your saying that gasoline, a gift certificate for groceries or cash is less valuable than an AR-15? That's real life? Let me give you a clue, pal - you're not Going to Heck, you're already there.

I keep reminding myself that "you can't argue with a sick mind," yet I continue to try.  *sigh*

Trapper wrote on April 24, 2013 at 11:04 am

Maybe each of you would feel better if we used some of the money wasted on Obama phones, or the trade food for drugs program in Ill. often called the link card, or perhaps some of the social security benefits paid to drug addicts in ill who use thier drug abuse for the reason not to hold a job. But I'm sure you could not even think about that so how about WRITE A CHECK TO HELP! The same rights that you use to state we have a right not to work and live off the state is the same rights that give these folks the right to raise funds for children and protect thier family.

Bulldogmojo wrote on April 24, 2013 at 12:04 pm

Trapper...you hate people on welfare and declare them all drug addicts but chastise people for not doing enough to help poor people who can't afford baseball equipment? I'm thinking some of those kids may be on welfare...just a guess. 

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 1:04 pm

Nice non-sequitur, Trapper. Is that your standard rant or do you have a few variations. If I would have said, "Atwood-Hammond is asking for some bad karma,'" I would have gotten the same thing  - "Obama? Did someone say Obama? Let me tell you something about Barrack Hussein Obama...yada, yada..."

Atwood Armory wrote on April 24, 2013 at 3:04 pm

Thank you.....finally someone with common sense!

sameeker wrote on April 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

I am so sick of these stinking, no good jerks who keep going on about "Obama phones". Your idol Ray gun was the one that started that program as a form of corporate welfere for his buddies. The poor could not afford cell phones, so Ray gun and his cronies were lobbied (paid) by the phone companies to provide them with customers. If your holy corporations and their CEOs would step up, maybe they would not need a raffle at all.

Bulldogmojo wrote on April 24, 2013 at 11:04 am

They could have raffled off something less lethal like a kilo of meth. I wonder if the armory draws a name of someone who is banned from buying a weapon if that name will get reported to the authorities and the public or they will just draw another name. $29,000? are they taking these kids to the game in limos?

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 1:04 pm

Too funny, Bulldog! But how about raffling off the EQUIPMENT to make a meth lab. You know what they say - "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. TEACH him to fish..."  ;)

Atwood Armory wrote on April 24, 2013 at 3:04 pm

A kilo of Meth.....really shows your intelligence.....give me a break! By the way, they are not being transported in limos...just for your information!

Bulldogmojo wrote on April 24, 2013 at 3:04 pm

Intelligence? Sorry I fall short, I was going to get my masters degree in gun store management but that program was full.

Atwood Armory wrote on April 28, 2013 at 10:04 am

I'm sure you had a hard time to complete a college degree with your educational background (by your uneducated comments), with trouble just trying to get accepted into a College....it seems you'd have trouble finding the entrance to a College from a parking lot.

BTW.....The individuals that own and run OUR small business "DO" have a College Degree. I suggest you go back for some kind of further education.......only having a middle school diploma won't get you far.

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 28, 2013 at 11:04 am

Perfect. Thank you (x1000k).

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 28, 2013 at 10:04 pm

Please keep disparaging other people's education and intelligence in your wonderful prose style. You're nearly as good as that barking loon Wayne LaPierre.

Bulldogmojo wrote on April 29, 2013 at 12:04 am

Atwood Armory,

Your first insulting sentence to me should have been written as follows, "I'm sure you would have had a hard time even completing a college degree with your limited performance in grade school."

I sincerely hope the serial numbers on the guns are already on the factory paperwork and don't require your hand transposition.

 

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 1:04 pm

I'm gonna go me to a shoot'em'up and FINALLY feel like a REAL MAN!!!!!!11

I don't normally feel like a real man, but when I got me my gun and I'm shootin up something, why then I KNOW I"M a REAL MAN!!!!!111!!

What are you laughing at????????22?

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm

That last line of the article really sums it up - They'll have to go through the background check," Butcher said in March, "just as if they were walking in off the street and purchasing it (a military-grade, semi-automatic assault rifle)."  *bold type and parenthetic description, mine

Atwood Armory wrote on April 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm

First of all, I would like to clarify that the winner of this drawing will be subject to all ATF laws (valid FOID Card, proper paperwork, background check, waiting period, etc.).  In the event that the winner does not pass the background check, the proper agencies will be notified. The firearm will NOT be transferred to someone who can not pass the background check.  Although, this will likely not even come into play as the firearms used in the shootings as of late were not even obtained by the shooters legally.  And I am also sure that the firearms did not just go off by themselves. But as I said, rest assured, everything will be handled in the proper manner.  The children of the baseball league are not going door to door selling tickets with the rifle in one hand and tickets in the other.  The tickets are just being sold at ATWOOD ARMORY or by the Baseball Commissioners.  Our business does a quarterly fundraiser for a local non-profit organization that demonstrates a need. In fact, we recently wrapped up a fundraiser that raised $16,000 for the Camden Foundation, a local non-profit organization that helps families dealing with childhood cancer.  What I find very odd is that not a single person had a problem with the fact that we used the very same type of rifle for that fundraiser. The baseball program definitely is in dire need at this point. Just to give you a background on our league, we are strictly self-sufficient, with absolutely no funding coming from outside sources whatsoever, whether it be at the state, county, or local level.  The fundraiser last year was a hog raffle that netted a mere $10.  The league has a tremendous need for new equipment along with many other things.  We have priced fencing, equipment, concrete, etc. for the new T-Ball diamond.  This is all very expensive. The almost $29,000 raised so far won't go nearly as far as some seem to think it will, given what the need of the league is.  I refuse to further justify the other comments made by individuals on here.  A great thing about our country is that we all still have freedom of speech and are all entitled to our opinions and we do respect that. Just as it is up to you whether you purchase a ticket or not. Whether you agree with our decision to raffle this firearm or not, that is your prerogative.  Just like it is our prerogative to choose a firearm that we knew would raise the money that these kids need.  As far as being called insensitive, anyone who knows us knows that nothing could be farther from the truth. Another great thing about our country is that the almost $29k that has been raised proves that there are still decent,intelligent,  open-minded people in this world who are willing to support a good cause.  We have received not only donations, but letters of support from almost all 50 states now.   If anyone else would like to voice their opinion to us on this matter, they are more than welcome to give us a call at 217-578-2767.  For those who would like to support the fundraiser, for each $20 donation, your name will be entered into the drawing.  Tickets can be purchased here at ATWOOD ARMORY or by mailing a check or money order to ATWOOD ARMORY, 65 ECR 1175 N, Atwood, IL 61913.  For those of you who do not wish to purchase a ticket but would like to help out the fundraiser, monetary donations are accepted as well. We would like to say "Thank You" to all who have supported and will continue to support this fundraising effort.

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm

"And I am also sure that the firearms did not just go off by themselves."

Thank you for including the absolute dumbest justification for firearms that should be banned in the history of firearms arguments...

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm

Par for the course.

Bulldogmojo wrote on April 24, 2013 at 3:04 pm

Atwood armory states... "A great thing about our country is that we all still have freedom of speech and are all entitled to our opinions and we do respect that."

Let's stop drawing a connection between the first and second amendments just because they are next to each other on the list. When someone exercises free speech and expresses themselves with words, no matter how heated the conversation gets, everyone involved is alive to tell the tale afterward.

When people express themselves with guns someone dies. Let's not forget, whoever gets this gun can turn around and sell it to anyone they want to without a background check. The loophole the NRA leadership so dearly protects as some kind of birthright thereby putting us all at greater risk for being murdered.

BBC reporter buy AR-15 without a background check...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P70zeX_HHfg

 

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 4:04 pm

Anyone want to help me back Bulldogmojo for mayor? It's rare to see such calmly measured, yet pointed responses to some of the rampant goofiness on these boards.

I know I'm way too sarcastic to qualify...

GoingtoHeck wrote on April 24, 2013 at 8:04 pm

"I refuse to further justify the other comments made by individuals on here."

And you shouldn't!  There is nothing illegal or immoral about the fundraiser you've so generously provided for the A-H Little League.  Let the Trolls feed off themselves.

1conservativemom wrote on April 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm

What a bunch of nonsense. If you don't "approve" of what a private business owner does than don't participate or support that business....keep going to your "politically correct stores" and speak your "politically correct comments" to one another. The rest of us will shop and support the businesses of our choosing...especially the ones that support our constitution and rights.

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm

speak your "politically correct comments" to one another.

I'll 'speak my comments' where I please. Yes, you have the right to conduct this disgusting WMD raffle and to spit in the face of the victims and their families. That is totally within your right if you chose to engage in or support such action.

But the rest of us have the right to call it what it is, a disgusting and deliberate insult into those massacred kids and teachers and their families, as well as anyone who is horrified by the idea of your funny funny joke.

Atwood Armory wrote on April 24, 2013 at 3:04 pm

By the results of support we've received...."the rest of us" are the minority. The majority is in support of helping raise money for the league. You need to refer your comment of as a WMD as President Bush did.....when he stated Iraq had them. BTW they didn't....some people should refer to history rather than making an outrageous comment of this being a funny, funny joke which what we are doing isn't. The joke is on yourself, and your uneducated post.

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 3:04 pm

By the results of support we've received...

You need to refer your comment of as a WMD as President Bush did.....

...some people should refer to history rather than making an outrageous comment of this being a funny, funny joke which what we are doing isn't...

The joke is on yourself, and your uneducated post

Spoken with the eloquence and intelligence we've come to associate with the type of gun nuts who would engage in such a WMD raffle in order to spit in the faces of the victims, their families, and anyone who doesn't think what this country really needs is MOAR GUNZ.

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 3:04 pm

Also, 90 percent of Americans support expanded background checks.

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 3:04 pm

"I refuse to further justify the other comments made by individuals on here."

Nice job refusing to "justify" the other comments. Can you say... "impulsive?"

Bulldogmojo wrote on April 24, 2013 at 3:04 pm

OK 1Conservativemom, I'll bite, what exactly is a "politically correct store"?? Is it a store where they allow people of different races to shop? OOH edgy. Do tell...

That qualifies as a Palinism http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/palinisms.htm

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 4:04 pm

Bah Gawd,

Itz a free Kuntree 'an Ahl speek mah perlitiklee kerekt kommentz to hoo evur I wants...

See that, I've learned a thing or two from your side..

Trapper wrote on April 24, 2013 at 4:04 pm

Sorry I took so long to answer back. I've been working to pay taxes so you folks can climb from your little dark holes and sit in front of the newspaper and wine all day about things you dont like. Please enjoy your freedom while it lasts. First it was your money (taxes) then it was your health care, today its your guns and soon you'll go to jail for making your voice heard. WAKE UP! Real men speak for themselves support themselves and make decisions for themselves. You people are just sad little people afraid of anything the government tells you to be afraid of. SAD little people!

Bulldogmojo wrote on April 24, 2013 at 4:04 pm

Trapper states..."You people are just sad little people afraid of anything the government tells you to be afraid of. SAD little people!"

Well according to your ilk the Government is telling you to be afraid that it is going to take away your guns...so your point again was what? You're mad that someone with a linc card cut in front of you in the express isle at Wal-mart? Was it?

You're hard to follow, oh but thanks for being the titan of industry you claim to be. I'm sure if you stopped working the economic shock wave in our community would be felt from your living room all the way to your kitchen.

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 4:04 pm

On a serious note, Bulldogmojo - If you have a blog and there's a way you could discreetly let me know how to find it, I'd love to check it out!

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

Mmmm....wine all day. What a lovely thought. Thank you for that, Trapper.

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

Elitist!

urbanaman wrote on April 24, 2013 at 8:04 pm

lol ghost! - Just having fun with Trapper's spelingg skilllz...

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 10:04 pm

A proper speller and a wine drinker?????22?

Double a-1 plus plus elitist!11!!3.14159111!!

FRO wrote on April 24, 2013 at 4:04 pm

EXCELLENT JOB ATWOD ARMORY!!!  I'll stand behind you guy's 100%.  If it is such an unpopular gun, then why does everybody and their brother want one. It is a fun gun to shoot, also makes a good coyote gun.

Atwood Armory wrote on April 28, 2013 at 10:04 am

Thank you, just disregard the rest of the closed minded comments on here. It seems like some "people" have nothing better to do than sit behind a computer and complain about anything....especially, if it's to benefit someone else. Where were they when we raffled off the "SAME" weapon for a cancer foundation that raised $16,000.....nobody was screaming "FOUL" then. Selective complaining is what a lot of "certain" people that comment on here seem to live for.

If the have a personal comment they'd like to communicate to me in person, they are free to contact us at our business......but, they hide behind their computer screens!!!

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 28, 2013 at 11:04 am

Yes, these "people" (as you rightfully put the term in scare quotes) hide behind their computer screen. Unlike you, huh 'atwood armory'? Why can't they just be good upstanding citizens such as yourself????

How DARE these "people" express opinions that differ from yours, huh?

Isn't freedom of speech supposed to guarantee you freedom from criticism when you voice your opinion? It's a VIOLATION of your CONSTUTIONALIZED RIGHTS if "people" dare to hold and express an opinion that you disagree with.

Preach it, brother (or sister).

Trapper wrote on April 24, 2013 at 4:04 pm

Sorry I dont shop at walmart. I let big government and you support them and the jobs overseas they support. I shop at local stores and shops. I buy my dairy goods in Arcola, Meat in Ivesdale and dine at places like the apple dumpling. I try to give to the community and support the real job makers in this world.I do understand your fears of folks like me.Because if I and people like me  did stop working it may just shut your obama phone off though. And we both would feel really bad about that.

Bulldogmojo wrote on April 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

I admit I had to google "O'bama phone" since it appears it is a racist hick colloquialism. I don't think I know anyone who has one, but my motto is better phones than predator drones for use of my tax dollars.

No I fear you and others like you because you seem to endorse dress rehearsal for hunting humans. The future of humanity depends on renouncing the advancement of violence.

mark taylor's ghost wrote on April 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

And, of course, the policy actually got into gear under St Ronnie Raygun, who would be considered a raging commie if today's wingnuts actually knew his record.

But, as with all facts for these people, that particular inconvenient truth is easily ignored.

johnny67 wrote on April 24, 2013 at 10:04 pm

All firearms transfers in Illinois are coverd by the FOID card statues, even private sales.  Not that it matters to the criminals shooting up chicagoland, killing innocent children.  Criminals by definition dont follow the law.  Assualt rifles are very rarely used in crimes, it is pretty hard to stick one down your pants leg.  I don't mind if they expand background checks, for all the good it would do.

Bulldogmojo wrote on April 25, 2013 at 12:04 am

The Atwood Armory seems to have taken great pride in pointing out that this gun could go anywhere in the United States including states Like Texas and states like it with its barely existent private seller regulation. Don't kid yourself about the baseball angle. The people who bought this ticket are just trying to get their hands on $2000+ worth of firepower for the cost of a $20 dollar ticket.  It's a good bet for purposes of unloading it for cash to the highest bidder without regard for where it's going.

The forest for the trees issue isn't the overall second amendment debate but the ugly irony of the fact that they are raffling a high powered killing machine that would get you a stiff prison sentence just for bringing it on the very grounds of the school they proclaim to be helping. The carnival prize mentality surrounding this kind of raffle diminishes the seriousness that a person should take about gun ownership. It stinks of an amoral attitude toward the killing of our fellow citizens by an ever growing glut of inventory of guns that our nation cannot contain because of the bottom line demands of a collusive gun lobby.

I guess we can't say we weren't warned well in advance by President Eisenhower. What was the term he used "sought or unsought"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

johnny67 wrote on April 25, 2013 at 9:04 am

You paint all gun owners with a pretty broad brush. Certainly there are people entering the raffle to possibly make a quick buck selling the rifle. Just as certainly, there are others who would like to win the raffle to add the rifle to their collection. Unloading it for cash to the highest bidder? Without any concern to where it is going? Those aren't the type of firearms owners I know. Are there unscrupulous people out there? sure. IMO they are in the minority.

A question though, would you feel better if they were raffling off a different gun? One that doesn't carry the "assault weapon" moniker? Say a Ruger Mini-14? Which is the same caliber and capable of similar rates of fire? Or a "home defense/riot" shotgun? Which can carry several rounds of buckshot? Or a 9mm pistol with a few 15+ round clips?

Bulldogmojo wrote on April 25, 2013 at 10:04 am

I couldn't be more clear about my views on the raffling off of guns and the in your face attitude that extreme weapons owners are demonstrating in public right now with reckless disregard for the overall public safety.  Crystal clear I'd say.  Their paranoid apocalyptic conspiracy theories, their absurd rescue fantasies, and worse yet their complete willingness to bypass the police and take matters into their own hands always escalating the dress rehearsal for killing others.The only one who can change the perception of you is you.

 

“No longer at the mercy of the reptile brain, we can change ourselves. Think of the possibilities.” ~ Carl Sagan

urbanaman wrote on April 26, 2013 at 9:04 am

omg, BDmojo. Looking at this post of yours and the characteristics you've listed, I just fully realized we're not merely dealing with backward, stubborn, unfeeling dullards - these are classical indicators of total Dissociative Disorder. Wow.

Unfortunately, there aren't enough couches on the entire planet to even begin to address this...

Chambanacitizen wrote on April 28, 2013 at 12:04 pm

I've bought 13 tickets so far...and will buy more.  If I win, I will melt it down.  Raffling off a murder weapon for the sake of children?  Only in the most inbred parts of the U.S. would this be acceptable.

sameeker wrote on April 28, 2013 at 8:04 pm

You hypocrite. Melt down your car before you do anything else. Some of the biggest murders have occured because someone drove their car through a crowd on purpose. Burn your money too. Millions of people have died in the name of money and profit. Only then will we know that you are really all that youy claim to be.

Bulldogmojo wrote on April 28, 2013 at 11:04 pm

Sameeker may have a point about the lethality of cars. According to FBI statistics, it appears that cars are the number one choice of transportation of gun toting killers to get them to the scene of their murders.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11

"They're a piece of metal basically they're not going to do the harm unless you have the person holding them"~Charidy Butcher Atwood Armory 1:07 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Sj806BI3bJg

 

Sometimes they write themselves.

 

 

bluegrass wrote on April 29, 2013 at 2:04 pm

Why purchase a ticket or tickets to win?  By doing this you're only helping "them" out, even if you actually win.  Personally, I think if you really had a heart, I mean if you really, truly cared about people, you would just buy a gun exactly like the one being raffled off, and melt it down.  That's only one though.....  No I changed my mind.  It's 7 guns.  Yes to show you really care, and to save the maximum number of lives, you should buy 7 of them and melt them down.  Then, you could really save lives.  Although, on second thought, maybe 10 is a better number.  Yes, it's 10.  You should buy 10 guns and melt them down.  That is the exact, appropriate number that will definitely save lives.   Oh, and don't forget to buy the magazines too.  I wouldn't recommend melting bullets down.  But definitely magazines for sure.  10 of them.  I mean, to show how much you really care and all.  Them maybe you could hold your melting down ceremony at a local venue and sell tickets to other caring people like yourself, and donate the money to go towards inbred awareness education. 

Bulldogmojo wrote on April 29, 2013 at 4:04 pm

I'm sure ChambanaCitizen is fully aware of the symbolism of their participation in the raffle with the intent to destroy the weapon. Fully aware that the market demands driven by conservative media, paranoia, self loathing, xenophobia, fear of Muslims, and all of the other delusions will swiftly produce demand for another AR-15 off the assembly line so you can acquire it and reinforce your dress rehearsal for killing humans with extreme weapons.

"You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war"~ Albert Einstein

"More text books, less reloading" ~ Bulldogmojo 

bluegrass wrote on April 30, 2013 at 7:04 am

Yawn.  I'm sorry, what?   Oh, yes another bulldog mojo redux claim to be intelligent.  If only others could see the brilliance, right?   

Loren Anderson wrote on April 29, 2013 at 7:04 am
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Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

Sid Saltfork wrote on April 29, 2013 at 11:04 am

Atwood Armory's raffling of the AR-15 has brought out the intolerance of both sides on gun control.  The references to "inbred", and other insulting language demonstrates the metropolitan view toward small town America.  A gun store in a metropolitan area could have raffled off a gun just the same as Atwood.  The issue is gun control; and people in small towns have the same differing views on the issue as do people in metropolitan areas.  The smug comments on the subject demonstrates more than the issue of gun control.

Atwood Armory's business is in Atwood.  I doubt that many of the commenters have ever been to Atwood.  I support reasonable gun control regulations; but I am not going to use my anonymity to ridicule a segment of America because one gun store in small town America raffles off a gun.  I am "hiding behind a computer screen" as I make these comments.  Atwood Armory is not hiding.  Let the "hick", "Mayberry", and other comments roll out of the self-appointed elitists mouths.