Updated: Legislators override Quinn veto on gun bill

SPRINGFIELD — Illinois lawmakers Tuesday easily overrode Gov. Pat Quinn's revisions to a long-sought bill to make the possession of concealed weapons legal in the state.

The House and Senate votes were part of a recent string of devastating setbacks for Quinn, who said later the Legislature's actions were "extremely disappointing."

Not only did both chambers quickly override his vetoes, but the House rejected three provisions — which had found bipartisan support in the Senate — inserted into a so-called "trailer bill." One would have required people stopped by police to acknowledge immediately that they were carrying a concealed weapon. Another would have mandated reporting to the state police of people adjudicated mentally ill.

Also Tuesday, lawmakers failed to meet Quinn's deadline for action on a massive pension reform proposal.

The votes on Quinn's amendatory veto of a concealed-carry bill were 77-31 in the House and 41-17 in the Senate. Every legislator from East Central Illinois, Democrat or Republican, voted to override Quinn. Nearly every legislator voting with the governor was a Chicago or suburban Democrat.

Quinn lashed out at lawmakers and the National Rifle Association following the vote.

"The fact is that the NRA went behind closed doors with legislators here to draft a law that is an NRA dream," Quinn said. "The National Rifle Association came here, and frankly I think the Legislature surrendered to them. I'm very disappointed in that result."

Quinn pledged to fight "with all the fiber of my being" to work for amendments he outlined last week. Among those were limits on the size of gun magazines, on the number of guns one could carry and an absolute ban on firearms where alcohol is served.

"To allow people to go into bars and restaurants and to have loaded, concealed weapons, indeed more than one of them, is just plain wrong," Quinn said. "I think everyone who is in law enforcement understands that that is a prescription for tragedy. It's a toxic mixture of guns and alcohol."

The governor said gun laws should ban high-capacity magazines.

"I certainly don't think those who have concealed weapons should be allowed to have multiple concealed weapons with multiple high-capacity ammunition magazines," he said. "Who in the world would want to do that other than someone committed to mass murder?"

But lawmakers said the concealed-carry measure had been negotiated throughout the spring legislative session and that it was overdue.

"It's about damn time," said state Sen. Chapin Rose, R-Mahomet. "People here were clapping because we were the 50th (state to pass concealed carry). Great."

"Governor Quinn attempted to derail months of hard work, give and take, and compromise with his amendatory veto," said Sen. Jason Barickman, R-Bloomington. "The General Assembly made a very wise move in quickly voting to override this veto and make right-to-carry the law of the land in Illinois."

Democratic Rep. Naomi Jakobsson, D-Urbana, said she could support some of Quinn's revisions, but not all of them.

"With the governor's suggestions in his amendatory veto, it's a package. You don't choose from them and say, we'll take this item and that item," she said. "There were some things in there that I would have supported. He can't pick and choose. It doesn't work that way."

Quinn sidestepped questions about whether the legislative setbacks made him appear to be a weak governor.

"I'm worried about the people of Illinois. And I always do what I think in my conscience is right for the people," he said. "I've always done that my whole life. That's what my mom and dad taught me. That's what I believe in."

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Bulldogmojo wrote on July 09, 2013 at 2:07 pm

Guess everyone better start throwing out their hoodies.

TheChiefLives wrote on July 09, 2013 at 3:07 pm

Get over it.  Now we are like everyone else.  And without the override, constitutional carry would be implemented, which is a free-for-all.  Thankfully, our idiot Governor did not get his way.

TimeToWakeUp wrote on July 09, 2013 at 3:07 pm

Zimmerman is justified...deal with it!  Bet Trayvon's lil buddies learned a valuable lesson from the whole situation though.  Act like a thug get treated like one!

Bulldogmojo wrote on July 09, 2013 at 4:07 pm

Well that's the problem isn't it? Getting over it?

Do you mean I will just have to "Get over" getting killed by you Zimmerman cop wannabes because you thought someone suspicious came into a restaurant I'm eating in and misjudged the situation or decide a neighborhood watch needs to become a self-deputized neighborhood armed escalation and I take a bullet through my front window because you decided you needed to "investigate" on my property? People who DEFINE themselves by their ownership and carrying of guns fail to see other people as having a real existence. They are all too happy to exclude law enforcement from their process of defending their personal freedoms within firing range of my freedom to continue to breathe.

It's unfortunate but an innocent bystander right now in Illinois who is going about their life will likely soon meet their end from the gun blast of a concealed carrier because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time because the only qualification for concealed carry is you haven't been caught or deemed mentally incompetent...Yet.

http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/ccwmassshootings.pdf

 

TheChiefLives wrote on July 09, 2013 at 5:07 pm

What did concealed carry have to do with any of those cases? 

Answer: NOTHING.

Those were murders!  It is illegal to murder.  That is a crime.  Do you think those MURDERS would NOT have happened if CC wasn't legal?  Your argument doesn't hold water.  There is no difference between a craz person with a permit and a cazy person without.  Both have the means to commit these crimes.

Or wait, maybe if concealed carry wasn't legal in those cases, they would have realized that to break the law by killing people they would first have to break the law by carrying illegally.  THAT WOULD HAVE STOPPED THEM, RIGHT?

Bulldogmojo wrote on July 10, 2013 at 8:07 am

Chieflives states..."There is no difference between a crazy person with a permit and a crazy person without"

Thank you for making my point that the rest of us walking around in Illinois are now just as much at risk of being shot by anyone with CC as those without the permit.

 

Danvillain wrote on July 09, 2013 at 6:07 pm

Zimmerman is justified??? Omg, are you serious??? I agree with the analysis, he will literally get away with murder! Unfortunately Florida's Law known as "Stand Your Ground" is just a title given to a law. Zimmerman didn't stand any ground. He tried to GAIN ground. He GAINED ground with the knowledge of ultimate protection at his hip. He lost the fight. He won the battle by not fighting fair. It was a 17 year old kid for Christs sake!! Gangsta or not, the kid was walking to his dads. Zimmerman went out to pick a fight. Trayvon didnt open up the door to George's SUV. Trayvon didnt blatantly ignore the 911 dispatcher. It was the perfect choice by the Special States Attorney for second degree murder. That's exactly what it was. But.... It doesn't matter what you know. It matters what you can prove in court beyond a reasonable doubt. It's been an absolutely horrible execution attempt at prosecution. Zimmerman will more than likely walk a free man. That does not for one second mean he wasn't guilty. It's not hard to visualize Zimmermans state of mind. Zimmerman was out to pick a spur of the moment fight. Unfortunately, he legally carried the maximum protection he could and Trayvon was legally carrying his maximum. Unfortunately, the maximum potential was heavily in Zimmermans favor. Mix that in with poor judgment, bad frame of mind, poorly writ law, and ignorant ears and you get yourself a dead kid and an innocent murderer. I'm a white boy. I'm all for concealed carry. George should (but won't) be convicted, hands down.......

TimeToWakeUp wrote on July 09, 2013 at 7:07 pm

You heard what I said white boy...

Joe American wrote on July 09, 2013 at 7:07 pm

Wow, what trial are YOU watching???  Or are you only getting your "news" from MSNBC??

I'm not saying he did or didn't have an itchy trigger finger, but as he was jumped he certainly had the right to defend himself.  Unfortunately for those whose minds were made up before the trial even began, self defense is not classified as "murder".

GeneralLeePeeved wrote on July 10, 2013 at 3:07 pm

"jumped" , huh.......yeah right, he was "jumped" after he stalked the poor kid.  Which one was really acting in self-defense?  ...it sure as heck wasn't Zimmerman until AFTER he started getting his butt kicked for following the kid for absolutely no valid reason.  What would you do if you were minding your own business, walking down the sidewalk and someone started following/confronting you?  There's something very wrong about the concept of being able to pick a fight with someone, getting your butt kicked by that person and then getting to shoot them and claiming self-defense......sorry, it just doesn't pass the smell test.   Don't forget, NONE of this would have happened if Zimmerman would have done what the dispatcher told him to do....it was Zimmerman who chose to ignore those directions, it was Zimmerman who initiated the confrontation and it was Zimmerman who pulled the trigger.

highspeed wrote on July 10, 2013 at 8:07 am

The other 49 states don`t have killing sprees going on by permit holders why do some of you think we who live in Illinois will?

Bulldogmojo wrote on July 10, 2013 at 9:07 am

The killing of police officers, private citizens, mass shootings and murder suicides by concealed carry killers at the following link...

http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm

TheChiefLives wrote on July 10, 2013 at 4:07 pm

Once again. Concealed Carry was NOT an issue in any of those instances.  The murders would have happened WITH or WITHOUT concealed carry.  Stop twisting TRUTH to suit your beliefs.  

Chicago has THE HIGHEST GUN CRIME RATE IN THE NATION.  67 shootings over the 4th of July weekend alone.  They also have THE MOST STRINGENT GUN LAWS IN THE NATION!

You'll find a hundred-fold as many "mass" killings by people WITHOUT concealed carry as the few listed in that article.

Bulldogmojo wrote on July 13, 2013 at 11:07 am

The crimes listed were commited by people who were issued concealed carry permits and turned out to be murdering monsters. Pretty cut and dried. Looked OK on paper because they just hadn't been caught yet and then felt empowered by their new found endorsement of their respective states to make every incident in their lives an armed escalation. Just a dress rehearsal for killing others.

jdmac44 wrote on July 10, 2013 at 7:07 pm

A white-ish man shoots a black teenager and this becomes the most monumental example of a legal gun carrier in American history.  Meanwhile, 500 black teenagers get shot and killed by 500 other black illegal gun carriers in Chicago alone and zzzzzzzzzzz...