Sunday conference to focus on 9/11 attacks

URBANA — A conference planned this weekend in Urbana will explore issues surrounding the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

The Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference will be held at 1:30 p.m. Sunday in the auditorium of the Urbana Free Library, 210 W. Green St.

The event is sponsored by UC 9/11 Truth Urbana-Champaign.

Admission is free and open to the public.

People who have been studying the events of Sept. 11 will talk about their perspectives on the attacks.

"According to national and international polls, nearly 30 percent of the population is skeptical of the 'official' version of the events of 9/11," said Steve Francis of UC 9/11 Truth Champaign-Urbana. "The 9/11 Commission Report is viewed as a cover-up by a significant percentage of citizens and the 9/11 Truth Movement seeks to find answers to these questions about the real cause of those atrocities."

The conference will begin the presentation of a documentary film, "Explosive Evidence: Experts Speak Out."

James Fetzer, the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, will comment on the documentary and report on scientific findings.

Wayne Madsen, editor of WayneMadsenReport.com, will provide an analysis of who may have been responsible for the attacks and why.

Kevin Barrett, co-founder of the Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth, will serve as moderator and will add his perspective on the issues.

For more information on the event, call Fetzer at 608-354-4280.

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jimfetzer wrote on September 18, 2013 at 11:09 am
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Another stunning example of baseless smears while evading the question.  There is a great deal of research on the moon landings, where Jay Weidner has done a fine job of documenting many of them. WHY ARE THESE GUYS SO EAGER TO AVOID THE EVIDENCE?  Why won't they discuss it?

There is a pattern here.  One side resorts to presuming what has not been shown--that any of us is a Holocaust denier--while evading the evidence in support of our Holocaust revisionism.  Even on the Holocaust, when I lay out key points about the Holocaust, these "true believers" ignore them.

This is not an exchange between Holocaust affirmers and Holocaust deniers but between those who want to get history right--and base their conclusions upon the available relevant evidence--and those who pretend to be defending the truth but are not willing to address the evidence!  It's all here.

 

 

isnt-it-a-pity wrote on September 18, 2013 at 12:09 pm

You offer boilerplate Holocaust denial, and then are miffed to learn that you're considered a Holocaust denier.

You link to hate sites, fully of truly grotesque white power and anti-Jew stuff, and then are miffed that these links aren't taken as "science."

And then somehow you're amazed that you're not getting your message across.

Actually, you're getting your message across just fine. The problem is, that message is "Jim Fetzer is a Jew-hating lunatic."

STM wrote on September 18, 2013 at 7:09 am

I watched as events unfolded on that day.  I remember them finding a wallet of a suspected terrorist within hours.   I know only two planes hit the towers, but three buildings came down...straight down.  I know they tried to have the highly in-credible Henry Kissinger run the 9/11 commission. I know there has been relentless dismissal of those asking questions—including family of the victims.  They question the patriotism of those of us who still have questions.  They started hauling off the debris immediately.  I've heard a lot of info was left out of the commission report...can't say for sure.

I find it hard to believe anyone could be so evil that it could be an "inside job."  However, if you look at the nation or nations and individuals who benefitted from this attack (follow the money), you can't help but have more questions.

Ridiculing those with questions solves nothing.

jimfetzer wrote on September 18, 2013 at 3:09 pm
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STM, I have been meaning to thank you for speaking out.  These guys are verbal bullies and thugs.  Notice they deliberately avoid addressing the evidence in any of these cases.  They resort to smears and fallacies I spent 35 years teaching students to avoid.  But the reason is obvious:  THAT'S THE VERY BEST THEY CAN DO!

Now we have this super-thug who is planning to subvert the symposium by filling the seats with shills and doing what they can to make sure no one who cares about the truth of 9/11 is able to attend.  What strikes me about all of these pseudo-Holocaust supporters is that their conduct is reminiscent of brown shirts themselves!  Unreal! 

Bulldogmojo wrote on September 18, 2013 at 9:09 am

These 9/11 conspiracy theorists always have their speculations refuted by actual scientific scrutiny by qualified scientists. When subjected to peer review their response is consistently that the scientists themselves are unpatriotic or even part of the 'Conspiracy".

When they start quoting carnival barkers like Jesse Ventura who has also made a career of inserting absurdity into the big gaps of his own intelligence you know it's just to sell books to the blue hairs at the convelescence home who can't get up and change the channel off of Fox news.

But let's let an an expert on slight of hand tell us how the misdirection of 9-11 conpiracy cons advance their non-sense

Penn & Teller on 9/11 conspiracy non-sense (NSFW)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I

 

 

jimfetzer wrote on September 18, 2013 at 10:09 am
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The whole point of my address the science of 9/11 is to explain what we have found and what the latest scientific research reveals about how it was done, which offers clues as to who was responsible and why, which Wayne Madsen will address. And Kevin Barrett will be adding his own observations about what both of us have to say. But notice that the Zionist zealots are already planning to sabotage the program!

isnt-it-a-pity wrote on September 18, 2013 at 10:09 am

"what the latest scientific research reveals"

Yet you've demonstrated here that your method is nothing close to scientific, but rather an amalgamation of wacka, wocka, and wookoo-coocoo. With a side order of hate-the-Jews.

jimfetzer wrote on September 18, 2013 at 11:09 am
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If what I have already explained about 9/11 here has been "debunked" by experts, then why don't you explain what they have shown and how it defeats my positions?  Take "20 reasons the 'official account' of 9/11 is wrong", for example. What is there I present that anyone has "debunked"?  Stop posing and start arguing.  Give us some logic and evidence, because your gratuitous attacks are exposing you as a fraud.

Bulldogmojo wrote on September 18, 2013 at 11:09 am

That would be pointless as you can't have a point by point interaction with people who have suspended reason for purposes of selling books to the irrational like televangelists. 

If you have someone come from the National Institute of Standards and Technology who have done extensive materials studies, to your presentation I will be there.

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/

Of course they are from the big bad Guvmint so they probably made up all that ding dang fancy schmancy engineering and are in on the plan to overthrow America.

(Do you see how a self reinforcing delusion chases it's tail? We do)

You're a carnival barker

 

jimfetzer wrote on September 18, 2013 at 12:09 pm
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Your incompetent is stunning!  NIST claims that the Twin Towers collapsed from the intense heat of the jet-fuel based fires.  But as I have already explained, those fires burned neither long enough nor hot enough to cause the steel to weaken, much less melt.  Have you even been reading the thread in your zeal to attack us?

NIST studied 236 samples of steel from the Twin Towers and discovered that  233 had not been exposed to temperatures abover 500*F and the other three not above 1200*F.  Since UL had certified the steel to 2,000*F for three or four hours without any adverse effects, they could have burned forever and done no damage.

What this means is that THE GOVERNMENT'S OWN EVIDENCE contradicts  THE GOVERNMENT'S OWN POSITION.  That is also true of the USGS dust sample studies, which provide crucial proof of how it was done.  So citing NIST is really not going to strengthen your case as much as display your own massive ignorance.

Do you not know that a collapse is a gravity-driven event, where gravity operates in one direction only--down?  These buildings are blowing apart in every direction from the top down.  All their floors remain stationary as they are blown to kingdom come. Both buildings are being coverted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust.

And when it was over, there were no pancakes!  With WTC-7, which actually was brought down by a classic controlled demolition, there was a stack of debris equal to about 12% of the height of the original 47 stories or about 5.5 floors worth.  But with the Twin Towers, they were actually destroyed BELOW GROUND LEVEL.

Fr. Frank Morales of St. Marks' Episcopal Church in the immediate vicinity, who was a first responder, told me during two different interviews that those buildings had been destroyed below ground level.  And photo graphic evidence supports him, as I will explain during the conference, for those who care about 9/11 Truth.

 

 

Bulldogmojo wrote on September 18, 2013 at 12:09 pm

Have you ever engaged in one of your fantastical paranoid delusions and at the end of it said to yourself, "nope after investigating it I was wrong about my suspicions on that one, it was exactly as reported"?

I already know the answer because you begin your investigations with the foregone conclusion of "wrong doing" and fill in the gaps from conveniently concurring dubious sources until your cognitive dissonance is assuaged just enough to declare them facts. Albeit outside your actual expertise.

You are not a "truth Seeker", this is a con you're running to sell books and to attract undue attention to yourself. A true Narcissistic pickpocket

Good luck with your little dog and pony show and be sure to put out coffee and ice tea next to your stack of ready for sale books and autograph pen.

 

jimfetzer wrote on September 18, 2013 at 12:09 pm
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More drivel from another incompetent source.  If I have things wrong about any of these issues--JFK, 9/11, Wellstone, Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, or even the moon landing--then you would be assailing me with logic and evidence: PROOF!

Instead you continue a string of meaningless ad hominems, question begging and evasions.  EVERYONE READING THIS THREAD CAN SEE IT.  You and the rest of these Zionist shills is unwilling to engage in research, even about the Holocaust!

That is actually completely stunning.  You come on like gangbusters but turn out to be all bluster.  There is no substance in any of the posts you and your allies have put up in this thread.  It's an astonishing indictment of your incompetence and ignorance.

Let me put to you the same proposition I have put to others already.  Choose the one subject where you believe and I am most vulnerable.  Explain what I have said and why I have said it, then explain what I have wrong and how you know.  Your choice!

Bulldogmojo wrote on September 18, 2013 at 1:09 pm

Zionist shill???! I'm an anti-theist. 

Were you brutally spanked by a Jewish Nanny when you were a kid or something?

isnt-it-a-pity wrote on September 18, 2013 at 1:09 pm

Well, see, that's another part of the paranoid personality as Fetzer's demonstrating so ably. You clearly see the grandeur problem, but this is the persecution problem. It's a peculiar counterpart to the grandeur thing. He believes that he is doing *so superb* a job laying out his case, that the only possible reason anyone could oppose him, let along publicly and doggedly, is because you're an agent of Sinister Organization Whatever.

Which to him means The Jews. Under a suitable euphemism, of course.

Steve has apparently signed on to the same proposition.

jimfetzer wrote on September 18, 2013 at 2:09 pm
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As I have been demonstrating here, there is not a single issue on which I have taken a stand--from JFK to 9/11 to Wellstone to Sandy Hook to the Boston bombing--for which I do not have ample proof.  I have published books or multiple articles on all of them.  And I have provided additional sources on the moon landing question and the Holocaust.  You seem to want to avoid discussing ANY OF THEM in any detail, no doubt because you are incapable of arguing the case.  So you continue to resort to childish name calling and question begging, which reveals who is serious about all of this and who is not.  No one following this thread could miss the obvious message.

isnt-it-a-pity wrote on September 18, 2013 at 3:09 pm

"As I have been demonstrating here"

You mean "asserting here." You've asserted all sorts of crap and then "proven" it by giving links to white power sites.

But all you've really proven is how little the word "proof" means to you.

So next comes the "help! help! I'm being repressed" bit, right? That's usually the next place that self-appointed EXPERT GEENYUSES like yourself go, isn't it?

By the way, did Hitler plan to exterminate the Jews of Europe? The rest of the world thinks so. Are they right?

isnt-it-a-pity wrote on September 18, 2013 at 3:09 pm

"As I have been demonstrating here"

You mean "asserting here." You've asserted all sorts of crap and then "proven" it by giving links to white power sites.

But all you've really proven is how little the word "proof" means to you.

So next comes the "help! help! I'm being repressed" bit, right? That's usually the next place that self-appointed EXPERT GEENYUSES like yourself go, isn't it?

By the way, did Hitler plan to exterminate the Jews of Europe? The rest of the world thinks so. Are they right?

Midwest911Truth wrote on September 18, 2013 at 12:09 pm

Jim,

I wonder if Cass Sunstein has had any luck with his 'Cognitive Infiltration' program.  Do you have anything to report on this?  .....tehetehe.... Are you suffering from 'informational isolation'?....tehetehe....

Maybe we will be cognitively infiltrated at the conference.... I hope....hahaha...he'll be the one with the brown brief case with a little hole on the side.....

see article: http://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Infiltration-Appointees-Undermine-Conspiracy/dp/1566568218

Former Chicago and Harvard law professor Cass Sunstein, who in 2009 was appointed by President Barack Obama to direct an important executive branch office, had in 2008 co-authored an article containing a plan for the government to prevent the spread of anti-government "conspiracy theories." Arguing that such theories are believed only by groups suffering from "informational isolation," he advocated the use of anonymous government agents to engage in "cognitive infiltration" of these groups in order to introduce "cognitive diversity," with the aim of breaking them up.

Noting that Sunstein's proposal has evoked condemnations from across the political spectrum--not least because it, being similar to the FBI's COINTELPRO of the 1960s, would be illegal--David Ray Griffin focuses on the fact that Sunstein's primary target is the conspiracy theory advocated by the 9/11 Truth Movement. Examining Sunstein's charge that this theory is both "harmful" and "demonstrably false," Griffin uses both satire and overwhelming evidence to show that this twofold charge applies instead to what Sunstein calls "the true conspiracy theory" about 9/11-namely, the "theory that Al-Qaeda was responsible for 9/11."

jimfetzer wrote on September 18, 2013 at 12:09 pm
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Nice point, Steve.  I have also published on the absurdity of attempting to defeat the discussion of conspiracy theories by implementing a conspiracy to undermine them! See my http://911scholars.ning.com/profiles/blogs/birds-of-a-feather-subverting  But that's on a par with attempting to defend the "official account" of 9/11 by begging the question and simply assuming that NIST got it right, when NIST's own evidence contradicts its own conclusions!  That appears to be the level of incompetence we encounter here. Here are some of my thoughts about it:

As someone who has promoted the investigation of political events that appear to have involved "pulling the wool" over the eyes of the public, I must say that I have never read a more corrosive approach toward the Constitution than "Conspiracy Theories" by Cass R. Sunstein and Adrian Vermeule of the Harvard School of Law. The massive blunder at the core of their conception is to take for granted that virtually all "conspiracy theories" -- including the most historic, like JFK and 9/11 -- are obviously false! That is about as gratuitous a begging of the question as I have ever encountered -- and I taught logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning for 35 years. No one can know which theories are true or false without investigating them. That this is coming from faculty at Harvard Law is simply stunning.

Conspiracies only require two or more persons collaborating together to bring about an illegal end. An obvious point apparently escaped their attention, since the official account of 9/11 posits that 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacked four commercial airliners and outfoxed the most sophisticated air defense system in the world under the control of a guy in a cave off in Afghanistan. So the official account of 9/11 posits a conspiracy! If we follow their advice, we cannot even discuss 9/11 -- the pivotal event that changed the world, according to "W" -- since, whether the official account is true or false (because more was going on behind the scenes), it involved a conspiracy, which shows the absurdity of their position.

isnt-it-a-pity wrote on September 18, 2013 at 12:09 pm

Yeah, I was waiting for that shoe - the YOU'RE ALL GUMMINT SPIES SENT TO DISRUPT OUR VERY VERY COHERENT DISCUSSION shoe - to drop.

There's a much simpler explanation, though.

Maybe, just maybe, the reason everyone thinks you're so laughably wrong is because you're so laughably wrong.

Have you ever considered that?

Obviously not.

jimfetzer wrote on September 18, 2013 at 1:09 pm
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Well, it's a pity that, while you repeatedly make that claim, you have done NOTHING to support it.  Apparently making baseless allegations to promote political agendas is you stock-in-trade.  Get serious, isnt-it-a-pity.  You are revealing yourself as a fraud.

isnt-it-a-pity wrote on September 18, 2013 at 1:09 pm

"You are revealing yourself as a fraud."

... says the man who thinks Stanley Kubrick helped NASA fake the moon landings.

jimfetzer wrote on September 18, 2013 at 2:09 pm
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Well, you seem to think you can know whether he did or did not without even bothering to look at the evidence. Kubrick's apparent role in faking the moon landings is discussed in  http://assassinationscience.com/HowKubrickFakedtheMoonLandings-1.pdf  I have also interviewed Jay on "The Real Deal", which you can find yourself archived at http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com by doing a search on his name. Do some research!

I have provided a link to the only interview of my own views about this with Sterling Harwood, J.D., Ph.D., http://kliv.gotdns.com/kliv/paid/2013_05_02_SpirtToSpirt.mp3 So I put the same proposition to you I have repeatedly posted here: If you think we have something wrong, then SPELL IT OUT.  Explain what we say and why we say it, then tell us what we have wrong and how you know.  NO ONE IS DOING THAT.

And stop appealing to popular sentiments, because the fact that a large segment of the population BELIEVES SOMETHING does not MAKE IT TRUE.  If you think we are wrong about front screen projection/the moon photo anomalies/the temperature variations on the moon/the exposure to cosmic rays/the flimsy moon lander/the Van Allen radiation belt/the moon rocks/. . . then JUST SPELL IT OUT.  Give us proof! 

B Loges wrote on September 18, 2013 at 2:09 pm

"isn't a pity" just throws out "Anti-Semite" like it's candy in a parade.   People like himself can't distinguish between a Zionist and a Jew.  It's just much easier to label people an "Anti-Semite" just like those in power would like him to so we can continue to fight useless and expensive wars to benefit Israel.

jimfetzer wrote on September 18, 2013 at 2:09 pm
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Thanks, B Loges.  I would never have believed that there are so many hacks and shills for Zionism and Israel in all of Illinois!  None of them is willing to defend their objections to our research, which reveals their purely political agenda.  This has been and continues to be an extraordinarily revealing exercise.

isnt-it-a-pity wrote on September 18, 2013 at 3:09 pm

"I would never have believed that there are so many hacks and shills for Zionism and Israel in all of Illinois!"

Just ordinary people who have no room for your bigotry, Fetzer.

That you think we're all "hacks and shills for Zionism and Israel" because we don't want your antisemitism tells us more about your particular pathological worldview than it does about life here in central Illinois.

jimfetzer wrote on September 18, 2013 at 4:09 pm
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Well, this is one more of your grossly false claims that you are unable to defend.  I have yet to see any reason for ANYONE to think I am anti-Semitic.  You, on the other hand, are OBVIOUSLY shilling for Israel and Zionism.  JUST READ THE THREAD.

isnt-it-a-pity wrote on September 18, 2013 at 3:09 pm

Quite clear on the difference between "Zionist" and "Jew," thank you.

But it's a pretty common thing for antisemites now to pretend they are only being "anti-Zionist" when they spread e.g. Holocaust denial.

For example, here's part of the "ZCF" hate site Fetzer tried to fob off on us as the source of his "six million is a myth" stuff.

"The primary function of this insidious global propaganda campaign is to - quite simply - brainwash non-Jews into a state of abject fear and paralysis while we are ideologically, economically, and physically enslaved by the Jewish tribe."

See the word "zionist" in there anywhere, B Loges?

What? You don't? You mean it's not anti-Zionist but antisemitic?

Just another day in the life of the antisemite Jim Fetzer.

B Loges wrote on September 18, 2013 at 3:09 pm

Mr. Fetzer is not quoting the ZCF as the know-it-all bible of truth.  Besides, the Holocaust is not the real issue here.   Some people don't believe all the details of the Holocaust that our textbooks and school teachers like to pound into our heads.   That is not to say there was no Holocaust.   But, history needs to be examined much further than that.   What was Hitler's intent?  Who was influencing Hitler?  What was Hitler trying to prevent from happening?


Anyway, the point of his conference is not to decide whether the Holocaust was real or not.  It is about finding the truth about 9/11.   All we DO know (at least logical minds) is that the government's version of the events and circumstances surrounding 9/11 simply cannot be true.   I read Dr. Fetzer's articles along with those of his colleagues over at veteranstoday.com (Gordon Duff, Preston James, Kevin Barrett, Dean Henderson, Stewart Webb, etc) who have a helluva lot more knowledge and background in the national security/military industrial complex and intelligence fields than you do, "Pity".  They put exhaustive amounts of time and detailed analysis in their research and have sources in the intelligence and scientific fields they rely on before making their arguments or writing a story.  Try opening your puny little brain and making a few clicks of a mouse to access the website.   You might learn a thing or two.


If you continue to believe that a bunch of Muslims with boxcutters outwitted the entire U.S National Security complex and that some evil Muslim named Bin Laden orchestrated it all from some cave in Afghanistan....I have some oceanfront property in Wisconsin to sell you.

B Loges wrote on September 18, 2013 at 3:09 pm

I suppose "Pity" also believes in the "magic bullet" theory, too.   I'd be willing to bet that he believes Oswald was the lone perpetrator in the Kennedy assassination....because the government and his history book said so.   No need for evidence or research.  The Warren Commission said he did it, so it HAS to be true.   Just like 9/11.   The 9/11 Commission said Bin Laden did it with the help of a bunch of "America hating" Muslims.  Case closed.  Right, Pity?

isnt-it-a-pity wrote on September 18, 2013 at 4:09 pm

So, B Loges, are you local, or were you sucked here when Fetzer put out that "news release" on the wingnut sites linking here?

Given the timing of that "news release" and your appearance here so soon after, I think it's probably the latter, and you came here to rescue Fetzer, who had so clearly borked it.

Where in Champaign County ya from?

jimfetzer wrote on September 18, 2013 at 4:09 pm
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Talk about your hare-brained conspiracy theories?  This guy is far more willing to entertain absurd theories than any of the rest of us.  This is an incredible post from someone who has shown no ability or inclination to justify ANY of his assertions.

isnt-it-a-pity wrote on September 18, 2013 at 4:09 pm

What a great example of the principle "When you've been caught red-handed, just pound the table and shout."

Here's the link:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/18/urbana/

But if you have no trouble denying the gas chambers, then denying this link should be a breeze.

Stanfortruth wrote on September 18, 2013 at 4:09 pm

LOL, yeah hilarious, I bet he/she/it believes the old man in the video in Pakistan really

was OBL?  Or that the Northwoods document is a fake..Oh man I needed a good laugh

can always count on the dupes and shills to provide it!

isnt-it-a-pity wrote on September 18, 2013 at 4:09 pm

"Mr. Fetzer is not quoting the ZCF as the know-it-all bible of truth."

He's the guy who linked to it.

Fetzer, is ZCF right? Is "the Jewish tribe" "enslaving" the non-Jew?

I mean, it was your link. Is it right about that enslaving thing?

Midwest911Truth wrote on September 18, 2013 at 3:09 pm

Gullible?  I've been accused of being gullible for inviting Jim Fetzer and Kevin Barrett to speak at the conference.

This is really a true story....

I went back to school to get a college degree when I was 34 yrs. old.  I first went to Parkland as a Business Administration major and one of my elective courses was actually a class on the Holocaust.  Like any other class I had to read a number of books on the Holocaust and write the typical number of papers.  Because of that course I may know a bit more than the average person about this subject.

At the end of the course their was a gathering  that filled the the main auditorium where an internationally known person gave a lecture about the Holocaust.  At the end of the lecture there was a question period and stood up and actually (in all my gullibility) asked the question among hundreds of people "What did the Jews do to deserve the Holocaust" or something very similar to that.  All I can recall is that he said something to the effect "I don't know".  Now that question is what I call gullible.

Now that my eyes have opened, have thoroughly studied the subject of 9/11 Truth and also have become a Holocaust revisionist, I can see how another question becomes relevent, but not gullible.  That is: Why have the Zionists been accused of being complicit in the deliberate destruction of the WTCs, Pentagon, Pennsylvania? What evidence has led millions of people to believe this?  Why do the freak out like they do on these comment pages such as they do? People don't just pull this out of thin air.  People don't freak out like this unless they have something to hide or they are covering up for others.

 

isnt-it-a-pity wrote on September 18, 2013 at 4:09 pm

Why are the Jews at the wrong end of troofer personality disorders, Steve?

Don't ask the Jews. Ask your troofer personality disorders.

jimfetzer wrote on September 18, 2013 at 4:09 pm
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Israeli companies such as ICTS were handling security at the airports from which the alleged flights originate and were following the alleged hijackers for months. Much more can be found at the web site, "Israel did 9/11--all the proof in the world!", which has a lot right.  I have invited our critics to explain what it has wrong, but none has been willing to step up to the plate.  Nor has anyone given any good reason to think that Kevin Barrett or Steve Francis or I is "anti-Semitic", though a powerful case can be made for our opposition to Zionism.  Why someone like "pity" should continue to post when he has NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT HIS CLAIMS is the real pity!  If anyone has any PROOF that any of us is anti-Semitic, then publish it here.  Because it is an insult to the public to continue to abuse this comment thread with rubbish.

Stanfortruth wrote on September 18, 2013 at 4:09 pm

Wow the idiots are trolling hard using the same ole tactics that many of us are used to

seeing on many infiltrated message boards. I find it it quite obvious that the people

who are making false claims about the 9-11 truth presenters are cowards and shills.

I would love to see them actually debate these scholars at the conference instead of

hiding behind their keyboards. All the logical fallacy tactics on display, and when challenged to respond with any intelligence, they cower behind the old standby cries of "antisemite". I wonder if they even know how absurd they really are or if they're reading off a script. It's really lame and stupid to call someone an antisemite, when we know that A) Israel qualifies as being the most antisemitic nation on earth. and

B) The majority of those screaming "antisemite" don't have a drop of Semitic lineage or blood in their veins! But they do provide good humor though..

So it's no wonder they don't respond to the many questions posed to them regarding the stupid and ridiculous "official 9/11" fairytale as told to a dumbed down public, and

yes even controlled by a known Zionist who wrote a thesis on urban myths.

Can you guess who that would be itsapity? Or anyone of you that car to guess?

Keep up the good work Jim and Kevin and the rest of the real Americans who are not afraid to take a stand and be freemen and free thinkers..on the real.