Kiwane Carrington: 5 years later

Kiwane Carrington: 5 years later

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CHAMPAIGN — When his friend’s cellphone rang with horrific news that was about to hurl his life in a different direction, Jamie was standing in line to buy a T-shirt.

“Kiwane just got shot by the police and they say he ain’t gonna make it,” his friend said.

“Kiwane who?” Jamie said.

It hadn’t even registered in his mind that it could be one of his best friends.

 

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Jamie Gatson says history repeated itself this summer in Ferguson, Mo. For him, visiting Ferguson following the police shooting death there of 18-year-old Michael Brown was like reliving the moment five years ago when he heard the news of his own friend’s death.

“It just sent you back,” Gatson said. “It opened up a wound that wasn’t all the way healed.”

Gatson graduated from Champaign Central High School last year, and Kiwane Carrington would have graduated with him. As Gatson still mourns the death of his childhood friend, he has turned to music as a way to spread his message to the community.

How he got to that point wasn’t always on the straight and narrow, Gatson said. 

But five years after seeing it first-hand in his own community, music has been his outlet to vent his frustrations after seeing case after case of young black men being killed by police across the country.

“To me, music is not about club, radio songs, having people wasting time in the clubs,” Gatson said. “It’s about connecting with fans.”

Patricia Avery, president of the Champaign County NAACP, compares him to Marvin Gaye. The Prince of Motown had a message in his music, Avery said, and it was part of a movement.

“I think that’s powerful,” she told Gatson this week in the front yard of the house where his friend was killed five years ago. “You want to make lyrics or you want to make music stand the test of time.”

That house and Kiwane’s death are where the music started for Gatson.

 

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Their families were close. Jamie remembers visiting Kiwane’s house often when they were really young. As they grew up, they played basketball together at the Don Moyer Boys and Girls Club. 

The two had been friends for what seemed like their whole lives.

So when Kiwane spotted Jamie walking through West Side Park with a girl instead of him, he let Jamie know where they stood.

“Don’t be choosing no girls over family,” Kiwane said.

Jamie didn’t know it then, but that would be one of the last things Kiwane would say to him.

 

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“I’m not the only person in the community who’s still hurt,” Gatson said last week. “Kiwane’s friends are still hurt. I’m the only one who’s not scared to speak up about it.”

Hearing about Michael Brown’s death and watching the events unfold in Ferguson was painful, too, Gatson said.

“I’m hurt,” Gatson said. “I don’t know another way to put it because it could be me.”

Fear of the police is pervasive among young black men. Gatson describes it this way: If two convicted murderers were released from jail, he’d rather walk past them on the street then see a squad car pull up behind him.

He stiffens up when he describes that feeling. And that’s ultimately why he felt compelled to visit Ferguson with Avery this summer. He said silence is implied consent, and he has decided it is time to stand up and speak out about the way he feels.

“I don’t want no more people to lose their life to stupid stuff, police brutality,” Gatson said.

There were two sides to the story in Ferguson in the days immediately following Michael Brown’s death, Avery and Gatson say.

The first occurred in daylight, when community members rallied around each other and propped each other up. 

“That was so inspiring to see the young people stand up,” Avery said.

Ferguson was a wake up call to a lot of people, Avery said, and she was encouraged to see younger people — particularly young men — among the demonstrators there.

“It woke the conscience of a lot of people who had been asleep to this very serious situation,” Avery said.

The second side of Ferguson started at dusk. Gatson remembers Avery suggested that they leave the protest area when the sun started going down. As they were walking away, they heard the teargas guns start firing.

Gatson said he was within earshot of a Ferguson police officer arguing with a demonstrator earlier in the day.

“‘Wait until dark,’” he recalls the officer saying. That’s what sticks out in his mind.

 

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It didn’t sink in until the funeral.

One week passed between the day Kiwane was shot and the day he was buried, and the questions only multiplied. The incident had originally been reported as a burglary, but now the person living at the home where Kiwane was shot was saying the teenager had been staying there. Police had launched two investigations into the shooting. Jesse Jackson was aware of the situation, but had no immediate plans to get involved.

But to Jamie and his friends, it felt like Kiwane was on vacation and he’d be coming back soon. Reality landed hard the day he was buried.

The community started to heal in the weeks and months after, but Jamie didn’t. He gave up basketball, started slacking in school and was about to drop out. His best friend was dead, and he was headed down a rough path.

 

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“It was the only way I could vent because I didn’t really like talking to people about my problems,” Gatson said of the reason he picked up music.

His songs, under the stage name J.Tune, are imbued with themes of speaking out about injustice, and he’s written more than one song about Kiwane.

He shot the music video for his song “One More Day” outside the house at 906 W. Vine St., where Kiwane was shot. The video itself features Kiwane’s father, friends and other community leaders. The video opens with him brushing grass off Kiwane’s gravestone.

“I wish I could see your face one more day,” he repeats in the song. “I wish I could hear your voice one more day.”

The lyrics also lament that the police officer never went to jail, and he wonders how many more young black men will be shot dead before something changes.

That frustration was with Avery in Ferguson, too.

“How many more is it going to take?” she said.

Gatson wrote another song, “Property of USA” following his visit to Ferguson.

“I see my people dying, some don’t even make the news,” he says in the song. He later implores his listeners to register to vote.

“We’re at war right now,” Gatson said last week. “Unless we stand up, it’s going to continue to happen.”

 

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Standing before his best friend’s gravestone in an Urbana cemetery years later, Jamie made one more promise.

He was just talking to Kiwane like he did when his friend was still alive. Jamie realized he had a message for the community, and it was his time to speak up. He decided music would be the vessel for that message.

“I was going to get back on track for him,” Jamie remembers promising to Kiwane that day in the cemetery.

He said he has kept that promise so far.

“His name will not die in vain,” Gatson said. “It’s living through me.”

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Chreston wrote on October 05, 2014 at 8:10 am

“We’re at war right now,” Gatson said last week. “Unless we stand up, it’s going to continue to happen.” Just actually who are we at war with?  Police Officers?  Seems radical to me.  I understand that there are officers that do not need the authority that has been given to them. It is a huge profession, increasing the potential of hiring bad choice makers. Unfortunately, the way the article is authored it provides the reader with the potential to have a jaded opinion of all officers. These are powerful words that will do nothing more than advocate young people to react differently to interaction with law enforcement. Obviously Gatson is a young man with a very strong opinion but spreading the word positively includes conveying that every officer is not a bad person, just as stereotyping of any person is unjust and ineffective.  This article, although a tribute to Carrington, rehashes bad relationships with law enforcement and the ability of Chief Cobb to build a positive relationship within the community. Doing a little research on a webpage (odmp.org) that records the death of officers yearly, I found that gunfire deaths of officers this year have had a 40% increase.  These are the officers that died only from gunfire protecting those they do not know. What a changing world?? For the better?? I think not. 

Jsmith68 wrote on October 05, 2014 at 11:10 am

What would have made a better story would have been a story with the point if view from everyone involved and how it has affected not only the black community but the police and community as a whole.  This story does nothing but again state things that are not facts.  No one wants to disperage the dead, but be objective and present the entire story.  Is it not part of the story that his father was not around and did not even know his own sons birthday?  Or that the owner of the house changed stories?  Be an actual news reporting organization.

sweet caroline wrote on October 05, 2014 at 11:10 am

“I’m hurt,” Gatson said. “I don’t know another way to put it because it could be me.”

It WON'T be Jamie or anyone else if they do what the police tell them to do!  If they say "Get on the ground," then get on the ground!  Don't argue or reach into your pocket or run away.  Get on the ground!  It doesn't just apply to black youth.  It applies to youth of EVERY race. 

I'm sorry Jamie lost his best friend.  That has to hurt like hell.  But Kiwane was not a "victim of police brutality."  The police were doing their job, responding to a call reporting criminal activity.  It had NOTHING to do with race.  I am so sick of the black community not taking responsibility for their own, and their kids' own, actions and blaming everything on the police and white people.  What if it had been a black police officer who shot Kiwane?  Would there have been the same outcry and call to hate the police? 

Jamie's song is heartfelt, full of sorrow and pain.  He's an excellent song writer.  But there are 2 sides to every story.  In Kiwane's case, the officer was investigated and cleared of any wrongdoing.  If Kiwane had gotten on the ground when ordered to, he would still be here today. 

Nobody knows what the outcome of the Ferguson incident will be.  I wasn't there.  Jamie and Patricia Avery weren't there.  It's a terrible thing to have happened, no matter who was at fault.  If Officer Wilson is indicted and found guilty, then he will be punished.  If he's not indicted, the black community across the country, fueled by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, has vowed to retaliate and terrorize law enforcement and white people.  How will that help anything?

cjwinla wrote on October 05, 2014 at 12:10 pm

As a member of the African American community of Champaign I want to express an appreciation of Kiwane Carrington and say is death was not in vain. Kiwane's death by the gun of a police officer while unarmed galvanized the whole community to make significant change within the Champaign Police department. His death united the African American community to make positive change in Champaign through the ballot box. In the last 5 years since Kiwane died, the AA community has more than doubled their voter participation in Champaign and set record turnout totals in the local elections of 2011 and 2013 making an impact on the City and local School Board. Those number continue to rise and as a community the African American agenda is for the first time ever in Champaign, is not only being listened too, but some aspects are being implemented as policy. That is what Kiwane Carrington's legacy means to many of us and for that we are grateful and humbled by his sacrifice.

We don't have to know what exactly happened in Ferguson, killing unarmed young black men is unacceptable and we are hopeful the citizens of Ferguson will take a page from local Champaign community leaders like Patricia Avery and channel that energy into the ballot box and vote out the people who tolerate such police behavior. With African Americans 60% of the Ferguson population and a black voter participation rate of 6% historically, I am confident the political change that can and will occur in Ferguson will change that community significantly 5 years from now.

LastWord wrote on October 05, 2014 at 1:10 pm

 

"We don't have to know what exactly happened in Ferguson"

We do actually, in a rational world.

 

"killing unarmed young black men is unacceptable"

Well, killing innocent people, black, white, pink, or blue is indeed unacceptable.

 

Calling a thug, young or not, black or not, who is attempting to murder somebody else - with his bare hands, or attempting to reach a police officer's gun - "unarmed", no matter his skin shade, may sound good in a propaganda sense but it wouldn't make the attempted murderer less deserving of meeting his flawed Maker.

I have no idea what Kiwane did to make him worthy of an "appreciation" but I guess that when the community standards are incredibly low anything might do. I personally don't miss him. I can hope though that other Kiwane's, of any ethnic background, learned something from that fool's experience and won't attempt to do what Kiwane did.

 

Local Yocal wrote on October 05, 2014 at 2:10 pm
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Reading through the comments here is a stunning testament at how convincing the criminal justice publicity propoganda machine has been in covering up the truth of the police misconduct in the Kiwane Carrington Murder. Law enforcement departments across the country should learn from us how a fast, coordinated response between all jurisdictions and the local media can seal off the truth, especially when you have a state's attorney willing to pin the lone eyewitness to the wall with a residential burglary charge. Oh wait, that report won't do, better throw that one away,....uh,....how about resisting arrest based on the word of the murder suspects- one of whom lied to investigators within 3 hours after the event? Yeah, that's better.

It's a shame Officer Dan Norbits had to take the fall for this mess. Norbits and Officer Steve Reynolds were the only officers who gave a damn about those kids that day, and had Norbits been first around the corner in that backyard, Carrington would still be alive. Equally impressive is the blue code of silence among the entire law enforcement community and the Champaign County Bar Association that allowed the investigation to be conveniently less-than-thorough,... ignoring proper investigative procedures, the training standards and patrol protocols, the rules for chain of custody of the physical evidence; and all the professionally trained lawyers watched in absolute silence as the State's Attorney twisted the involuntary manslaugter laws on their head to prevent a major lawsuit from having a chance in civil court.

Come Sanford, FL, come Ferguson, MS, see how damage control is really done in Champaign County. We are the experts.

As for the kids of our community, they have every reason to remain afraid and mistrustful of the police. This is not about them. It's about the police and their conduct. Just ask Larry Martin.

If you watch Champaign Police Lt. Paulus' explanation from the November 10, 2009 city council meeting, you can see that the reason police act like dogs, is because they are trained like dogs.

LastWord wrote on October 05, 2014 at 3:10 pm

 

Since when are worthless thugs rapping on some gang/rape/murder theme "musicians"?

 

The real luminaries of black American music would turn in their graves to hear this.

 

 

LastWord wrote on October 05, 2014 at 3:10 pm

 

Fascinating conspiracy theories with precious nothing behind them.

Meantime in the real world, young violent thugs like Trayvon, Mike Brown, Kiwane are still the rightful winners of the Darwin Award, while society as a whole is better without them.

Perhaps more of these young "musicians" with an appetite for murder should be taught to behave with police officers like Kiwane or Mike Brown, by their "leaders" - the consequences will surely be the same, and people less able than a police officer to defend themselves from these thugs will be spared a violent death at the hands of the "community heroes".

 

Local Yocal wrote on October 05, 2014 at 4:10 pm
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"...with nothing behind them."

It's understood that it's useless to debate with facts anyone such as Last Word who has an emotional investment to maintain their racist hatred of children, what writer James Baldwin called "the emotional kindregarten that is racism."

Those close to the investigation and know more than a Last Word will never say it is completely correct that the investigation and the subsequent cover-up were a sham and followed no known protocol for handling a homicide. There would have been too much money to lose to a family of what did you call them? "thugs?"....had anyone from law enforcement chosen to be honest and question what was going on. Look what happened to Illinois State Trooper Mike Callahan after he blew whistles. Which is why City Manager Steve Carter jumped at the out-of-court settlement of $225,000 to the sister of Kiwane lest there be further investigation into the facts and the way the facts were handled.

Here's a small assignment to begin opening pandora's box: Would Mary Schenk like to do a follow-up article to her July 10, 2011 piece as to why Ex-Police Chief R.T. Finney never served a day as the president of the 1,200-member Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police after having been selected as president? As the 8 Annonymous Champaign Police Sergeants could testify, Finney was a habitual liar. Why accept his word about the Carrington Murder when Illnois State Police investigator Lisa Crowder and U of I Sgt. Tim Geis caught Finney lying to them, and had to do a follow-up interview with Finney to square his bizarre account of the Carrington Murder? Oh, that's right,....proof that the October 19, 2009 interview occurred has been scrubbed off the digital world lest anyone see that Finney, a suspect in a crime, had received the audio recording and written transcript of his 18 minute interview from October 9 well before investigators showed up for the follow-up interview.

But if you want to be indulged into the delusion that police never do anything wrong, great. Then you won't mind the following reforms to insure there will never be another Carrington Murder again. Afterall police and prosecutors, if you have nothing to hide, you will surely support these reforms:

1) End the Drug War now. No one should be arrested or prosecuted for possession
or selling any recreational intoxicant to a consenting adult. Disband all narcotic units,
release all prisoners who are currently incarcerated for drug possession and drug selling,
and expunge all criminal records of everyone whoever suffered under this hypocritical, draconian and ineffective policy for the last 40 years. 
 
2) Publish the pictures, names, and badge numbers of all officers; and post this
listing in the lobby of the Champaign Police Department, the lobby of the public
safety building at the U of I and the sheriff's office or courthouse, like is done over at Urbana's 
municipal building. Police officers are government employees and, like politicians, have no reasonable expectation to "employee privacy." (residency exempted, of course.)

3) Create Citizen-Police Review Boards comprised of some who are expert in law, police procedure, Terry Stops, traffic stops, and use of force policies (this should be a requirement of any Review Board's composition.) 
The Citizen Review Boards need to have subpoena power, be able to publish their investigations (including the name of the officers complained against), allow for public hearings where the public can attend all proceedings, and while review boards can be allowed to recommend discipline only, the fact that it's all public will make unwarranted favoritism and falsehoods less likely.
 
4) Terminate employment immediately and prosecute for official misconduct, perjury, and attempted aggravated kidnapping any officer or prosecutor caught deliberately and knowingly falsifying evidence or lying in a court of law or coercing confessions. Make a public, loud, and harsh example out of a prosecutor and/or officer caught undermining the integrity of the system such that other law enforcement professionals will think twice before attempting such maneuvers to "facilitate guilty verdicts." Allow any victim of such tactics to sue the respective county for as much as the pain and suffering warrants as in any other civil matter. City managers and councils will start taking public oversight over law enforcement a little more seriously if they lose a few million dollars in civil court when a Mark Briggs, Chief Finney, Jon Lieb, or Julia Rietz engage in deception to cover up unjustified violence and prosecutions.
 
5) Increase the scope and time of training to be qualified to be a police officer. Currently to be qualified to be a police officer, a 2-year associates degree in criminal justice and 3 months training at the Police Training Institute is all that's needed to begin patrolling our citizens with lethal force. Police work involves a myriad of skills that simply cannot be absorbed in a short amount of time. If it takes 4 years and an internship to be a kindergarten teacher, how much more to be a police officer? Standards need to be upgraded to reflect community values, not just military values and combat techniques. Scholarships and financial aid should be made available for students-in-need to accommodate the extra training.
 
6) Publish an annual report of each circuit judge's performance on the bench. The race of the offenders, type of crimes charged, and eventual outcomes need to be tracked to measure a judge's consistency toward setting bond and sentencing. 
 
7) Publish an annual report of each assistant state's attorney's record and each assistant public defender's record, similar to the circuit judges. 
 
8) Create 7 new Government television channels similar to C-span that provide daily, live coverage of each courtroom (exempting the identities of juries, juveniles and sex crime victims.)  9) Require every police officer to wear body cams and audio recorders such that every arrest should have a dash cam record from the squad car, an audio record from the officer's pocket, and a video record from the officer's vantage point. After a verdict is rendered in an individual case, the tapes should be made public as part of a public criminal file. No more will use of force or reason to search and arrest be left solely to the "memory" of an officer writing a report hours after the event, and hopefully these technologies will eliminate falsified reports from becoming the reason for wrongful convictions.  10) Make as part and parcel of any legal education for those law school graduates who wish to be prosecutors/judges someday, a two-week stay in general population at a state penitentiary, so they will know what their sentencing recommendations are really worth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

LastWord wrote on October 05, 2014 at 4:10 pm

 

So many words with not one shred of evidence regarding "child" Kiwane Carrington being anything but a thug with a record who foolishly tried to get an officer's weapon and suffered the inevitable consequences. 

He wasn't murdered. He was sent to Thug Heaven, where he snorts the good stuff together with Little Angel Thuggone Hasbeen and with Gentle Giant Violent Robber Mike Brown.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. More should be on their way, black, brown, white, pink, or blue, like in Avatar.

ohnoes wrote on October 05, 2014 at 6:10 pm

There are certainly many abuses of power around the nation, I recently saw one where a black man was shot getting out of his car because he didn't realize he was being pulled over until he saw the police officer barking at him to get his drivers license.  Since he was almost out of his car, he quickly turned to get his license out of the car which was inside.  The officer interpretted the sudden movement back into the car as going to get a weapon that wasn't there and shot the man multiple times.  The officer's biggest mistake leading up to the shooting I think was that he didn't use his siren to alert the driver to know that he was being pulled over.  Fortunately he wasn't killed, but it was still an awful injustice.  Race may have played some role in the officers perception of the man he shot, I don't know, no one does.  To assume so without evidence in the words or history of beliefs in the individual doing the shooting in any of these cases is racism itself, the assumption that because someone is white and shot a black man, they must be racist.  To embrace these cases as such, without that evidence, erodes at the credibility of these movements for "justice" and thus hanging them on the Civil Rights movement is in fact an injustice.

chumberley wrote on October 05, 2014 at 8:10 pm

I'm so appalled by the comments, I don't even know what to say.  I opened and closed this story several times wanting to make a comment but not finding the words.  I finally decided I had to say something because I wanted Jamie Gatson and the family and friends of Kiwane Carrington to see something positive and supportive.  

 

Jamie, keep doing what you're doing.  Make your music and speak your mind.  This world could use more people like you.  The tragic loss of this young man left a wound that will never heal.  Do whatever helps you ease that pain.  

Skeptical111 wrote on October 06, 2014 at 12:10 am

 

I was also appalled by the comments exhibiting racist conspiracy theories directed against the police. I was appalled by how juvenile gangsters are so poorly "educated" by their broken, so-called "families" that they attempt to jump police officers and disarm them.

Then, the same irresponsible Kiwane circle which allowed him to accumulate at an early age an impressive criminal record goes around asking for handouts, selling sob-stories such as this Jamie guy (illiterate artiste sporting a T-shirt with the other suicidal moron, Mike Brown) who likely graduated from high school three years later than he should have - remember, Kiwane was taken out five years ago and Jamies was still in high school in 2014 - and that only because the teachers were finally sick of his face.

All the Kiwane-type low ferment of society goes around murdering each other with gusto, poisoning even younger kids with drugs, then whenever some fake story about how the root of all trouble would be police racism, not their own choices, is made even remotely possible they go around trying to peddle that horrid, uneducated, racist, mind-poisoning garbage they call rap. They fantasize about murdering cops and then, when they try it, they are surprised at the results. The right amount of dollars would do a lot to assuage the so-called pain of those who made possible, nah, necessary for Kiwane Carrington to lead a wasted life and a meaningless, self-inflicted death. 

A tragic loss? It is a tragic loss when a great man or a man with the possibility of greatness in himself dies prematurely. A fool who accomplished nothing in his wasted youth, and showed no signs of any potential, an aggressive fool attacking those who risk their lives protecting all of us?

The wise shall save his tears. The "community" would better check its own values, ways of educating and holding young people responsible. Stop whining for a change.

 

rsp wrote on October 06, 2014 at 9:10 am

Apparently you can't do math. Kiwane was 14 when he died. So his friend would be in the same age range, 18-19, about when most kids graduate. It's a waste when any child dies. Kiwane was still a child, with the possibility of making a life for himself.

LastWord wrote on October 06, 2014 at 10:10 am

 

15 + 5 = 20. This "rapper" guy who looks into the camera like an innocent deer trying to sell "musical" garbage could be 20 or 21, not 18. Time for him to look for some real work.

As for the "pain" he feels, it is obvious that he is saddened at the idea that there wasn't enough taxpayer dough left for the rest of Thug Kiwane's gang.

 

 

itazurakko wrote on October 06, 2014 at 9:10 am

No kidding.  The blatant racism in the comments to this newspaper gets ever more sickening by the day.  To say it's depressing doesn't even begin to cover it.

 

Local Yocal wrote on October 06, 2014 at 9:10 am
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One symptom of racist hatred is reduced short-term memory.
Commenters here are appalled by artist Gaston's accurate observation that, "We are at war." The fearful assumption by the white supremists here is that it's the black youth who are launching some sort of combat ground in our local streets.

In fact, (if only you could remember your newspaper from a mere 15 days ago,) it's the police, for some time now, who have been preparing for war against the citizens.
A mere glance shows: The Champaign County Sheriff's Department has acquired a $733,000 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle, 25 M16A1 assault rifles, a drone, 25 M14 and M16 assault rifles, and seeks a $22 million dollar jail expansion; The Champaign Police has recently acquired 24 M16A1 assault rifles and 17 M14 and M16 assault rifles; and The Urbana Police seeks tasers and has acquired 10 M16A1 assault rifles.

And this from our local Police Training Institute showing us part of the training within the three short months:
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So who is really launching the war and preparing for war? It's the police and prosecutors.
I guess when there's unequal patrol and unequal application of the law, you fear you'll reap what you've sown.

It's a credit to artists like Jamie Gaston, who fearlessly go forward with the truth in music rather than bullets, per police mode of operandi.

LastWord wrote on October 06, 2014 at 10:10 am

 

Calling an invertebrate rapper an "artist" is like calling a feces-thrower a painter.

As for the "war" - well, the "community" should initiate a war against foolishness, drugs, community violence, rap sub-culture, and racist attacks on the police, chip on shoulder and all.

If not, "children" and "artists" from the gutter will continue to die at the appropriate pace and there aren't enough handouts for all the "war profiteers" relatives who would like to sell their dead thug to the highest bidder. 

Get your act in order in the "community" and there will be no more police shootings. As simple as that. 

 

 

nndsmom wrote on October 06, 2014 at 10:10 am

Reading the comments here makes me so very sad.  To those who call Kiwane a thug, did you know him personally?  Do you have any evidence beyond the fact that he was shot by a cop to base that judgment on?  If he had been white under the exact same circumstances would you feel the same way about him?

I truly hope that the comments on this article are not representative of the community in general.  As the white mom to a biracial son, I beg you not to look at young black men and think the worst of them.  They are young, and as all young men do without regard to race or color, they occasionally do stupid stuff.  While they should suffer consequences, they shouldn't have to pay for it with their lives.  They are still learning.  Let's help them learn, not pick them off one by one.

Police, remember when your mission was "to serve and protect"?  Just when did that change to a mission of "to control and restrict"?

LastWord wrote on October 06, 2014 at 10:10 am

 

Apparently nndsmom you don't know about Kiwane awful criminal record - quite remarkable for such a young thug. Do some research on the matter.

Do NOT believe that those commentators who dare to point out that a thug is a thug are racists. That's laughable. That's the easy way out. Too bad the race card was maxed out long ago. If a man, black or not, does nothing wrong and a policeman attacks him or abuses him - which may happen, but very rarely - trust me, all commentators would be on the side of the victim. It is when the false victimhood phenomenon intervenes that a firm response needs to be given. The policeman's life is precious too and he cannot allow the thug, black or white, young or old, to reach for his gun and kill him first.

If you grew your son in a responsible manner - to be well-mannered, polite not only to the police but to all, not to steal, not to mug, not to sell drugs etc. - the fact that he is "biracial" or "triracial" or whatever simply doesn't matter. He will earn respect through his personal qualities and behavior. For your and his sake I hope you were a better parent than Kiwane's relatives, who mostly remembered him when there was a payout to be handed. 

alabaster jones 71 wrote on October 06, 2014 at 1:10 pm
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How often do you call white guys "thugs," LastWord?

It's also very telling that you put biracial in quotation marks, as if being biracial weren't an actual thing.

Skeptical111 wrote on October 06, 2014 at 4:10 pm

 

Can't speak for Lastwords but I call thugs thugs regardless of their skin color.

As for the "race" thing, that is a feeble construct anyway. We're all cousins since Adam. Nobody is "pure race".

Put it in your mind solidly: at least many readers are anoyed by the Kiwane cult not because he was A.A. or whatever. If people started writing songs about a blong thug I would react the same.

Based on the contributions here, I saw way more racism among the Kiwane cultists than elsewhere.

 

 

 

Local Yocal wrote on October 06, 2014 at 10:10 am
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"They are young, and as all young men do without regard to race or color, they occasionally do stupid stuff."

Point of order. Few are willing to admit or remember that according to the written transcripts and audio recordings of the interviews with ex-Police Chief R.T. Finney and Officer Dan Norbits that....it was Finney who drew his weapon first and threatened to kill the children; it was Finney who admitted he carried no lessor impact weapons while on patrol; and it was both officers who admitted to investigators that it was they who initiated hands-on tactics while their guns were drawn.

The police made all the mistakes that day of Oct. 9, 2009. Let's not be fooled by the white supremists here on this thread, that somehow the unarmed, 5'3" 120 lbs. Carrington was an attacking Shaquile O'Neal that officers had to gun down. That is pure fiction sold by a racist mindset.

LastWord wrote on October 06, 2014 at 11:10 am

 

More conspiracy theories from the Taxpayer Shakedown Mafia built around the cult of Dead Thug Kiwane.

 

Fortunately the real information still exists - hasn't been scrubbed from the internet altogether. 

 

Not only dead thug Kiwane but also the surviving thug had criminal records. Take for instance this excerpt from the State Atorney's report:

"Manning-Carter has a history of contacts with law enforcement beginning in 2006. Neither Officer Norbits nor Chief Finney were involved in any of these previous contacts and there is no evidence that either of them have had prior contact with him. He has been placed on one previous formal station adjustment, and was the subject of a juvenile court petition for Battery in 2007 in which he fought with an off-duty police officer who was working security at a movie theater. That case was dismissed after Manning-Carter completed public service work through a juvenile diversion program run by the Regional Planning Commission. His MySpace page indicates that he associates with the North End Gorillas, a Champaign street gang."

Yeah, stellar kids, future astronauts no doubt. While you're at it, google up the entire State Attorney Report on Carrington shooting. Lots of interesting bits in there. Of course, the surviving gangsters who comment here will claim that the State Attorney is a racist, police officers are racists, and that mentioning the ample criminal record of the two morons who attacked the police officers is racist as well.

Given how meaningless the word became through inflation, have at it. Reality will remain what it is. Future thugs who will behave Kiwane-style will share Kiwane's fate. This is his most enduring legacy.

 

 

 

Local Yocal wrote on October 06, 2014 at 11:10 am
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Readers will recognize the game LastWord is playing here,....avoid the facts of those 8 seconds during a buglary investigation, avoid the issue of proper police procedure, avoid the investigation into the facts, and do what the state's attorney did, spit on Kiwane's grave by ad hominem attacks. "He committed past crimes before Oct. 9, 2009, therefore he deserved to die." "He committed past crimes before Oct. 9, 2009, therefore disregard his eye-witness testimony."

It's interesting to note the same game was played on Officer Dan Norbits. To serve as a warning shot over Dan's head should he not be willing to play ball, Chief Finney had a little something waiting for Norbits in the Tuesday morning edition of The News-Gazette shortly before Dan was to give his interview with investigators that morning,...Finney had tipped then-N-G reporter Steve Bauer that it was Norbits who caused the death of Greg Brown in 2000. While it's true Norbits responded to the call with Brown, there were actually 14 other officers there to restrain Brown and cause of death was asphyxiation or a heart attack. (The City of Champaign paid the Brown Family $185,000 for the cost of doing business.) So Norbits had to swim up against public opinion already believing him a known killer, thanks to Finney's CYA-ing the case. 

This mindset of LastWord only makes artist Gatson's observation all the more true- some are at war with black youth. We can only hope LastWord is not a police officer. If so, please defect and join ISIS, a group more suited to your type of hate.

Speaking of which, Webeditor Howie or Corkery, when is the flag going to get thrown on LastWord for hate speech?

LastWord wrote on October 06, 2014 at 11:10 am

 

Nope dear, you are avoiding all the facts of the matter. You invent conspiracy theories, you slander outstanding police officers, you lie about the dead thug being a little malnourished innocent kid, you try to claim that his incredibly ample for his age criminal record is irrelevant.

 

You could be censored for libelous speech against the Champaign police, but I don't think you should be.

 

Your lack of arguments fails on its own merits, for all to see. Go and rap with "artist" Gatson - and keep your begging bowl out, perhaps somebody will throw in a couple bucks to help with your "pain". 

Local Yocal wrote on October 06, 2014 at 12:10 pm
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How does Kiwane's past criminal record and flashing of gang signs on Facebook justify the chief of police, by his own admission, INITIATING hands-on tactics with his gun out on kids half his size? Please weigh in Police Training Institute as you did when ex-Police Chief Eddie Adair and Circuit Judge Michael Friese interviewed you for analysis of the officers' behavior that day on Oct. 9. Again, it was the police who made all the mistakes on Oct. 9. What Kiwane did prior to that day is completely irrelevant.

The same game could be played to indict Finney further by using Finney's behavior and penchant for covering up the truth in the August 2006 Larry Martin case when the homeowner was unjustifiably shot by police. The same game could be played when The Champaign City Council was shocked to watch a squad car video and compare that to Finney's assessment of the pepperspraying of a pedestrian to show Finney and the truth have trouble getting along. But let's just stick to Oct. 9, 2009 and exactly what behaviors caused a gun to go off to answer for why Kiwane was murdered. 

Had Finney been properly equipped for patrol on Oct. 9, 2009 (per his own departmental directives) and whacked Kiwane across the head with a baton, no one would boo boo too much since Kiwane's academic trajectory toward becoming an astronaut was way, way off course. Perhaps such a unjustified use of force might have awaken Kiwane that just hanging out, getting high wasn't working. Does poor academic achievement deserve severe corporeal punishment from an officer? Doubt it.

Oh, and if we're going down this road of attacking kids and their lifestyles to justify police brutality, let's remind ourselves of the double standard: When months after Oct. 9 a car was stopped in front of Centennial High School and one Robbie Finney (last name sound familiar?) was found in the backseat in possession of a bag of weed, no guns were drawn by officers, no blast of the case to The News-Gazette was done, not even a prosecution commenced.

Commenters here making assumptions without ever reading the reports and transcripts, listening to the audio recordings, knowing what police use of force policy is (way over the top), and how police are supposed to be trained and behave when they have chosen lethal force,.....makes these assumptions that the boys did something wrong first to cause a gun to be fired, completely speculative, based on rumors and what you've been taught about African American males or what you want to believe about the police.

LastWord wrote on October 06, 2014 at 12:10 pm

 

More rubbish from the Gangster Association.

 

The, oh so little, oh so innocent, pea-sized "kid" - a gangster with a record the size of Himalaya - was in the process of committing a felony. The police officer didn't need any more reasons to try to apprehend the suspect. Being the violent delinquent he was, the thug was aggressive with the police officer and the weapon was discharged. Boo-hoo-hoo. Let's build a sky-high memorial for the future astronaut who wasn't to be.

 

Go weep now at another table and try some more lies on the gullible. You might even make a couple of bucks.

alabaster jones 71 wrote on October 06, 2014 at 12:10 pm
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LastWord, why don't you just save us some time, post "I hate black people," and be done with it.  Quit beating around the bush.

LastWord wrote on October 06, 2014 at 12:10 pm

 

That's absolute rubbish.

 

Do you claim that Kiwane Carrington was the posterboy for the black community? That all blacks are like him? That he deserves to be lionized, victimized, idealized after his timely death? That he deserves to be a symbol of the "community"?

 

Because if you do, YOU are a racist and have a darn poor opinion about black people in general. I don't.

sweet caroline wrote on October 06, 2014 at 3:10 pm

As a matter of fact, Kiwane's accomplice that fateful day, Jeshaun Manning-Carter, has been arrested this weekend for domestic battery.  His mug shot is featured right here on this online paper.  He sure has turned himself around, hasn't he?  Not.

rsp wrote on October 06, 2014 at 4:10 pm

So you've tried and convicted him? He's been judged guilty? By you? An arrest is not a conviction. It's a misdemeanor charge, hasn't been in trouble for a long time, no tickets, no law suits. And that's in spite of seeing his friend killed. Would you feel better if he robbed a bank? Killed someone? Lived up to (down to) your imagination of what a horrible person he "should" be? Maybe you all should ask yourselves why you need that. It's really sad.

Skeptical111 wrote on October 06, 2014 at 5:10 pm

 

Why are Kiwane's cultists either pathological liars, like Yokel or, at best, well-intended ignoramuses, like rsp?

Hasn't been in trouble?

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2011-04-09/teen-stun-gun-arrested...

 

A Champaign teen who was present when his friend was fatally shot by a Champaign police officer 18 months ago is in jail for carrying an operational stun gun.

Champaign County Judge Harry Clem on Thursday found that it was a matter of "immediate and urgent necessity" that Jeshaun Manning-Carter, 17, who listed an address in the 2400 block of North Neil Street, be held in the Juvenile Detention Center on a charge of unlawful use of a weapon. (more at the link)

 

rsp wrote on October 07, 2014 at 5:10 am

Three years ago in juvenile court. What was the disposition of this case with the sealed record? For all you know the charges were dropped. You don't know anything about that case except you want to label people for life. At what point do you accept that maybe someone has changed? Or do you want it where they can never can get a job, live a decent life.

Because it sounds like you would rather hate on people and have them live a bad life thinking it doesn't affect you. That bad life for one affects everyone. So quit hating on someone that you don't even know.

Local Yocal wrote on October 06, 2014 at 3:10 pm
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What does any background personal information have to do with the specific behavior of officers on Oct. 9, 2009? Some of you act like Carrington brought the gun that killed him to the scene. He didn't attack Finney and Finney knows it, as do other officers. The whole "the kids attacked" story is a sham and was a cover-up story for what really happened. Finney knows it and leveraged Norbits' future pension for the cover-up story to fly.

Even so, both officers readily admitted to investigators that is was the officers who started physical contact on the boys with their guns drawn. That is undisputed in the record.

But as LastWord will no doubt prove again, haters are going to hate, and women deserve to be raped if it's found they had pre-marital sex in the past or dress a certain way, in keeping with some of the thinking on this thread.

45solte wrote on October 07, 2014 at 9:10 am

Were they trying to apprehend the suspects? Did the suspects not follow commands to get on the ground (or whatever the commands were)? Do police take 'universal precautions' similar to health care workers? Health care workers assume everybody is 'infectious' (and take appropriate precautions (wear gloves, etc.). Do police assume all break and enter suspects to be armed, as a precaution, and then follow a certain protocol (draw guns and tell suspects to raise their hands in the air, drop to their knees and lie on the ground, or whatever)? If you choose not to follow commands with the cops the stakes are high. Some people seem to think cops have the ability to know ahead of time if a person is armed or not. Why is that? What is the trick involved in knowing that? We can assume all cops are armed and conduct ourselves accordingly--that's pretty solid reasoning. How much time should there be for 'dialogue' during a tense situation to determine if a suspect is armed when said suspect is resisting instructions? Is the protocol of cops to then just shoot the suspect? I doubt it. But, at some point it must become reasonable to take the resisting suspect/s down to secure the situation. If somebody is going to not listen and then physically resist attempts to be apprehended when a cop has his/her gun drawn, bad stuff can happen. That's decent reasoning.

rsp wrote on October 07, 2014 at 9:10 pm

When the call came in they said there may be three people trying to break into the house. Finney didn't always work patrol but he outranked so he was in charge. Norbits was backing him on the call. Protocol was to have everyone in place not to charge in like cowboys. They had other officers seconds behind them to back them on the call. What do you think Finney did? Go in with a plan or go in like cowboys?

When you back someone you have to be there. When you are in charge you are responsible. That training keeps things like this from happening. It doesn't matter if a kid doesn't follow your command, he is now your responsibility. If Finney hadn't rushed in there would have been more officers there, even a few more seconds to assess the scene could have made a difference.

LastWord wrote on October 07, 2014 at 10:10 pm

 

 

Coulda shoulda woulda. No, the "kids" weren't the responsibility of the police officers more than this other lovely kid, failed rapper and the 14 y. o. astronaut-who-wasn't-to-be

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danvers_High_School

was the "responsibility" of the murdered professor Colleen Ritzer. "Unarmed kids" can do rather horrible things and it is not the responsibility of the police to keep such people, young or not, out of the harm's way, it is their own and that of their adult relatives (when they have any who aren't missing, in prison, or drugged out, as it happens in specific "communities" which are quick to blame the police for their own, egregious failings).  

Monday morning quarterbacks are a dime a dozen. The police officers in this case are blameless. They should be apologized to, not second-guessed. End of story. 

 

Skeptical111 wrote on October 06, 2014 at 4:10 pm

 

You seem a little thick, Yokel. That wasn't irrelevant personal information. It was a pattern of felonious behavior which took the delinquent where it did. The officers were well within their right for everything they did. The city should have never paid one red cent to the irresponsible morons who brought up this "child" the way they did.

As for Carrington, he may be a hero to you, to the community at large he is a buried danger and little else.

Look at his rapper friends - one of them was just booked right now.

Kiwane's death means that some innocent woman wasn't raped, some innocent men wasn't mugged and murdered. If Kiwane did what he did while he was 14-15.... I say karma took care of him before he could do even more harm unto others. Good riddance. As for his artist friend, he should compose now a prison ballad for Kiwane's still alive accomplice lol. 

 

 

rsp wrote on October 06, 2014 at 4:10 pm

It's irrelevant because the cops aren't mindreaders or fortune tellers. They don't go out and shoot bank robbers on sight. Haven't you ever noticed that? Car thieves? They arrest them too. They don't decide who is worthy of life, either. Is that the kind of police force you want? Where if they encounter someone suspicious they just shoot them and find out later what's going on? Maybe take care of the homeless population, too. And how about people who write mean comments online, people could file complaints and get rid of the haters, like some of the people on here, or just whoever complains first...or is it who you know?

Skeptical111 wrote on October 06, 2014 at 5:10 pm

 

You still don't get it. It is relevant because it lends credibility to the police version. Because Kiwane and his musician chums were already heavily engaged in felonious activities. 

The policemen were entitled to their reaction based solely on the violent reactions of the delinquents that evening, that is true. The context adds to the understanding of the story.

As somebody said, the guardians of these horribly raised young criminals should have paid damages to the city.

 

 

Local Yocal wrote on October 06, 2014 at 5:10 pm
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Since the police are never wrong according to the apologists on this site, they then would surely welcome body cams to be worn by all officers, and we will dispense with this they said-they said speculation.

But that would sure take the fun out of trashing people's reputations to manipulate the outcomes you want.

To everyone who is alarmed that the attitudes expressed by the commenters here may be harbored by police officers in your neigbhborhood: get your video camera and record, record, record.

Skeptical111 wrote on October 06, 2014 at 5:10 pm

 

What "reputation" Yokel?

 

Kiwane's "reputation"? Jeshaun Manning-Carter's "reputation"? Are you a stand-up comedian?

 

If anything, Julia Rietz should be chastized for letting garbage back on the streets without the proper jail term.

45solte wrote on October 07, 2014 at 10:10 am

I would support the idea of bodycams particularly for evidence of how suspects allegedly weren't doing anything time. They could then be reviewed with suspects to identify how they might act differently in potential future interactions with police. However, there are people who support resisting authority and who would see nothing wrong with the actions but rally in outcry when such resistence meets with predictable outcomes. The rest of the public, however, would be able to see what the situation really was. 'He was pulled over for nothing' (but a...) 'and then the cops pepper-sprayed him for no reason' (when he...).

keyslammer wrote on October 06, 2014 at 5:10 pm
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I submitted a post yesterday on this "story" and it was removed.  I must have hit a nerve when I spoke ONLY the truth.  If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen my mother used to always say.  Let the posts remain on here.  I said nothing inflammatory, simply spoke the truth and said what others would probably not say.  I really don't understand WHY the NG wanted to even publish this article after 5 years. All it does is serve to stir things up in the community.  I have a dear friend who lives in the Urbana area.  She is middle-aged and is in the horrible position of having to move.  She is moving from her home because she no longer feels safe.  This makes me so angry.  There are shootings and drug deals going down in front of her home on a regular basis.  THIS is what the community has to look forward to?  It's just wrong on SO many levels.  Her home was broken into last year and she came home from a hard days work to a ransacked home.  Did the police ever notify her they caught the perpetrators?  No!  All they were able to do was come and take a report, snap a few pictures and they were off to the next person who had the same thing done to them.  SO why would anyone want to side with a person such as this person who makes a rap rhyme that cuts down the police, white people, etc?  Just to keep things stirred up is why.  I challenge NG to leave this post as it is.

Skeptical111 wrote on October 06, 2014 at 5:10 pm

 

My heart goes to your friend. And to the two excellent policemen who were forced to deal with the underage thug Kiwane Carrington in order to save their own lives, and now have to live with all this venom and slander thrown at them. And to - not few - the hard-working, honest black U.C. inhabitabts who are themselves victim of the Kiwane/Jamie/Racist Grievance Industry mafia which suffocates the chances of all, black or white, in certain neighborhoods such as the one you mention.

These are the true racists - the hypocrites who DEMAND that you worship their thuggish icons, that you call police the devil, that you paint hard-working people as racists because they don't agree with the thug lifestyle. Not blacks primarily, these are the typical white liberals living in the cushy neighborhoods in the Southern Urbana, who try their best to keep the Northern gutters a gutter, so they can get more votes in exchange for "free" (a.k.a. taxpayer-provided) advantages.

These are the real criminals. They try to transforms C-U in another Chicago. Ask in Chicago how many black babies are murdered routinely by black criminals, compared to the number of "children" (more like felons) justifiably killed by police, "white" or otherwise.

The white preachers about racism are the major purveyors of racism. They are a plague on all communities. They claim compassion but they have poison on their tongues and darkness in their hearts.

Recently I noticed that people like you, keyslammer, are less and less reluctant to speak up their mind. Keep up the hope. Once the pernicious influence of this race-based-liberal mafia will be exposed for what it is, people will get better along, and the good people in all communities will see beyond racial stereotypes and ideological manipulations. The 2014 elections will be a good start. Not one vote to the race-mongers, the hypocrites, the demagogues, the enablers of muggings, drug business, and murder.

 

 

 

   

Local Yocal wrote on October 07, 2014 at 10:10 am
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It's doubtful The N-G web editors will allow this comment, but out of respect for Officer Dan Norbits, who was thrown under the bus by a cowardly command staff; and out of respect for artist Jamie Gatson taking a brave stand for his friend, Gatson is not alone in questioning why his friend is dead.
The grievances in the Carrington Murder are as follows:

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Falsified police reports are nothing new in Champaign. In discussing his unjustified shooting by police that has left him in a wheelchair for life, Larry Martin and his wife Barbara, told The News-Gazette's Jim Dey for his March 21, 2009 front page story, "The Martins said they received what they described as a 'sorry not' from Finney about a week after the shooting, but still felt police mischaracterized the event. They said they pursued the lawsuit as a means of clearing their names. 'It's just been a nightmare,' said Mrs. Martin. 'We would not ever have sued until they [The Champaign Police Department] started slandering us.'"

When Chief Cobb says, "We have more work to do," he would do well to shift focus from the troubled youth to the troubled officers who remain on his staff.  After The Carrington Murder, there have been more incidents of officers losing their tempers and fabricating reports to hide their misdeeds. Most notably: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOCEuAu5Aek

If police are sincere in seeking reconciliation with those they swear to serve and protect, then they should have no fear from accountability and transparency. The Champaign Police need to accept a civilian police review board and wear body cams at all times, especially when apprehending suspects and placing them under arrest.

A study conducted at Realto, CA by Dr. Michael White, a criminalogist at Arizona State University, showed that when officers where body cams, there was a substantial decrease in the use of force by officers and an 80% decrease in the number of complaints against officers- what Dr. White calls, "the civilizing effect of the cameras." Already, over 5000 police departments across the country are utilizing the devices.

If thousands of cameras are necessary to watch the citizenry on campus, then how much more so should the camera be watching those who are authorized to use lethal force. The editorial board of this newspaper agrees: http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2014-09-17/neutral-observer.html

To prevent another Chief Finney from going off the rails at the sight of black children, officers wearing body cams are essential toward healing the wounds Carrington's Murder has caused this community. Any refusal to do so is just further evidence of artist Gatson's hopefully-not accurate observation that the police have decided upon war rather than peace. As some dirty-hippie-war-protestor-artists probably smoking marijuana (and for whom ex-Champaign cop and former Mayor Jerry Schweighart named a street after,) wrote while living in this town:
Golden Country your face is so red
With all of your money your poor can be fed
You strut around and flirt with disaster
Never really carin' just what comes after
Well your blacks are dyin' but your back is still turned
And your freaks are cryin' but your back is still turned
You better stop your hidin' or your country will burn
The time has come for you my friend
To all this ugliness we must put an end
Before we leave we must take a stand

45solte wrote on October 07, 2014 at 10:10 am

80% drop in complaints against cops. Cuts both ways. Some who would otherwise complain about a oop would have no grounds to do so with video evidence present. Others might act in a less resistant manner toward cops when they know they're being filmed.  

Local Yocal wrote on October 07, 2014 at 11:10 am
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Don't you mean to say, "they know they are being filmed, and they would be more resistant to officer commands."? That is, act out for the camera,?.

Well, that's not what happened in Realto, CA but that's not knowing what the population is like in Realto or what all the interactions recorded were about.

Even if the speculation is that angry citizens would become more hostile with officers because they know they are being videotaped, that is not a good reason to not have the body cams strapped to officers. In fact, during the Occupy crackdowns years ago, police brought cameras to the scenes to vindicate their uses of force should they arise.

If a citizen gets physically hostile (notice verbal protests are protected by the First Amendment) it's reasonable to assume viewers at home are going to be comfortable with whatever use of force happens next by the officer. Perhaps had Finney worn a body cam we'd have seen this mythical monster, Kiwane Carrington, attacking him like the KidZilla he's now portrayed to be-(through word-of-mouth by those with a vested interest in that version.) Would have been nice to have a video of what happened on Oct. 9, rather than the made-up computer animation version fabricated by an officer who would later claim his hand was broken by a jaywalker.

LastWord wrote on October 07, 2014 at 1:10 pm

 

It might surprise the Preachers of the Jesus Kiwane cult that I also believe in the use of cameras. It would cut the cons of dead thug profiteers by 99%.

I urge the readers taken in by the hot air from LocalY (probably nobody at this point) about the little Tinkerbell Kiwane and the Big Bad policeman to read again the criminal record of the worthless thug, as linked to by Skepticity. It is amazing how much such a little young angel could accomplish already before he ran into real trouble.

No amount of obfuscation will be able to make out of a violent, reprehensible criminal the innocent hero LocalY tries to make out of him.

As for the "artist", before attempting to sing, it would be good if he learned how to speak, coherently if possible, at least at the level of an average fourth-grader. His usage of the English language is a dire indictment of our school system, besides a non-existent family education.

LastWord wrote on October 07, 2014 at 10:10 pm

 

The next subject of this "artist" 's creative genius: Philip Chism, the other innocent teenager who was so perfect yet everybody else failed him. 

 

CommunityVolunteer wrote on October 09, 2014 at 7:10 am

In case anyone missed it, Manning-Carter's photo was in the bookings section if not the same day the article came out, then the next. Spin this however you want.If he was in school that day, he lives out the day. If he does not try to break the window, he lives out the day.

Julie Watkins wrote on October 09, 2014 at 11:10 am

I think the "he" you mean in "he lives" is Carrington. I believe his school was out that day for a teacher's institute, so "in school" wasn't available that day.

However, I think the points Local Yocal made about Finney not following department procedure are the more important matter. Of the two, the teenager and the police officer, Finney had more responsibilty to do things right and not make mistakes. 

jerseycooper wrote on October 11, 2014 at 11:10 pm

Whenever I read a controversial story in the news I try to pull everything out of it I can and form an opinion. In this case, it would be nice if the writer would have at some point laid out exactly what happened the night that Kiwane Carrington was killed. If you're are going to write about something from 5 years ago please take the time to lay out the basics, what, when how, where etc.

Four days later we are presented with another article regarding this case. In that article we are presented with the amount of money that the officer has been paid since the unfortunate events occured.  How can I have an open mind here when I am clearly being lead to one side of the story. After reading the 2nd article I can only think wow this officer is being paid way too much money.

News-Gazette you are clearly trying to lead the local public to see that police are in the wrong. Please stop. Please don't turn into a CNN or Fox News and just report what happened, gather a few statements and let national media fight out what side America should be taking.

I'm not trying to say here that we should be forced to side with the officer here and in other cases (i.e. Missouri).  I just want the media to at least lay out the facts and let the public form their own opinions. In my honest opinion the media is doing no one any justice in any of these cases. They are further separating the public and unfortunately separating them into black vs. white, democratic vs. rebublican, liberal vs. conservative. I'm also not trying to say we should hide racism. If anything these cases have taught us is that it is alive and well. It was just under the surface and no one talked about it. When it comes to writing though unless you are writing a biography, opinion/editorial story, you should just stick to the facts that are available and stay away from only presenting one side or the other.

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