Urbana man charged with living, voting in U.S. illegally

Urbana man charged with living, voting in U.S. illegally

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URBANA — A Mexican national who has lived in Urbana since 2005, allegedly using a stolen identity, was arraigned Thursday on seven federal counts, including four related to voting by an illegal immigrant.

Miguel Valencia-Sandoval, 33, who allegedly had been using the identity of a Texas man named Ramiro G. Vasquez, pleaded not guilty to the charges before Magistrate Eric Long at U.S. District Court in Urbana.

Valencia-Sandoval's arraignment came on the same day that new U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions was sworn in, stressing that the nation needs a "lawful system of immigration."

Sessions vowed to uphold immigration laws that he claimed went largely unenforced during the Obama administration. "We need to end this lawlessness that threatens the public's safety, pulls down wages of working Americans," he said. "If you continually go through a cycle of amnesty (for the undocumented), you undermine the respect for the law and encourage more illegal immigration into America."

Federal authorities declined to comment on whether the voting-related charges were tied to President Donald Trump's ongoing claims of illegal voting.

An affidavit accompanying the criminal complaint said that authorities were tipped off to Valencia-Sandoval's real identity last August when the Piatt County sheriff's office was informed that he had been living under Vasquez's name for about 11 years. Valencia-Sandoval most recently has worked for an Urbana drywall contractor.

Last month, Valencia-Sandoval was arrested at the U.S.-Mexico border in Laredo, Texas, when he attempted to re-enter the country with a Texas birth certificate and state of Illinois ID card bearing the name of Ramiro Guerrora Vasquez.

During an interview with agents on Jan. 7, Valencia-Sandoval admitted, according to a federal affidavit, that he was not the true owner of the birth certificate and that in March 2005 he had purchased it from Oscar Guerrero-Vasquez — Ramiro Guerrero-Vasquez's brother — for $50,000.

Valencia-Sandoval, who lives in the 0-to-100 block of Ivanhoe Drive, U, also admitted that he did not have Ramiro Guerrero-Vasquez's permission to use his identity; had used the identity to live in Illinois since March 2005; had obtained driver's licenses, bank accounts and loans for vehicles; had opened two restaurants that have since been sold; and had obtained a lawful permanent resident card for his wife.

The couple has four children, all born in the United States, said his attorneys, Tony and Evan Bruno.

He also acknowledged, the affidavit said, that he is a citizen of Mexico present in the United States without having been legally admitted or paroled.

The affidavit also noted that "fingerprint queries" showed that Valencia-Sandoval had twice before been "encountered" by authorities — it didn't say where or when — without having been arrested.

The indictment alleges that Valencia-Sandoval made a false statement of U.S. citizenship on a passport application in April 2012. Another charge alleges he made a false claim of citizenship in order to vote in an election. Two felony charges of aggravated identity theft, one for using Vasquez's identity to get a passport and another for using the identity to vote in an election, were part of the indictment.

Lastly, he was charged with three misdemeanor counts of voting in an election by an illegal immigrant, for having voted in general elections in 2012, 2014 and 2016.

Local federal officials acknowledge the election-related counts are unusual but declined to comment further.

Asked whether Valencia-Sandoval could be deported, Sharon Paul, the public information officer for the U.S. Attorney's office said, "That's a question for immigration."

Valencia-Sandoval faces prison terms of between 10 years and one year for each of the counts, plus fines.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Bryan Freres is prosecuting the case, which is tentatively set for a jury trial in April before U.S. District Judge Colin Bruce.

Also Thursday, a separate indictment charged Salvador Garcia-Lund, 27, of the 1700 block of Henry Street, Champaign, with making a false statement of U.S. citizenship and aggravated identity theft in March 2016 on a passport application. He also is charged with possession of a firearm by a prohibited person, an illegal immigrant, on Jan. 4.

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billbtri5 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 7:02 am

..Senator Durbin stated that there was no election fraud...

G. Gordon Gordon wrote on February 10, 2017 at 9:02 am

There's never *zero* election fraud, just like there's never *zero* of any other crime. But this is one guy. Do you think there are 2,999,999 more cases out there?

Reagan Conservative wrote on February 10, 2017 at 11:02 am
danitcba763 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 8:02 pm

Our survival is dependent on supporting Trump because:

 

1. Trump did not force little girls to share their restrooms with adult males. 

2. Trump did not increase our debt to $20 trillion.

3. Trump did not ruin our credit.

4. Trump did not double African-American unemployment.

5. Trump did not send out healthcare costs skyrocketing (mine is now $660 a month. Compared to my $25 a month auto insurance from Insurance Panda, or my $10/month renters insurance from GEICO)

5. Trump did not increase welfare to a record level for eight solid years.

6. Trump did not sign a law making it legal to execute and imprison Americans without due process. 

7. Trump did not set free all the terrorists in Guantanamo Bay to return to the field of battle. 

8. Trump did not constantly degrade civil rights, violate U.S. constitutional law, or commit treason.

 

It is Barack Hussein Obama, Hillary Clinton, and the established grifters who accomplished the above. The Obama/Clinton cult have illegally occupied our government and swiped our future and that of our progeny.

  

lara7 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 11:02 am

 

We'll never know unless we look.  FINALLY someone is beginning to enforce the law.

But you are correct.

The BEST way to ensure that we have a clean election is to have VOTER ID enforced.

 

 

rsp wrote on February 10, 2017 at 2:02 pm

He had an ID.

jcIll wrote on February 10, 2017 at 1:02 pm

Could be!  There is nothing to stop it, and no way to know how much of it exists.  Illegals in California can get dirvers licenses, which double as voter id's.  There could easily be millions of fraudlulant votes in that state alone.

ChicagoKurt wrote on February 10, 2017 at 1:02 pm

Yes I do.  As a poll watcher for the last 20 years, I can attest to all sorts of shenanigans.  Illegals voting is as assured as the sun rising.  Honest immigrants, regardless of their origin (and that includes the 27% Latinos that voted for Trump) don't want illegals voting and nor do I.

TheHammer wrote on February 10, 2017 at 3:02 pm

California is next. Sessions won't take crap from the idiot politicians. Looking foward to the fireworks. Hey illegals, you shoud start packing your bags!

Save the Farms wrote on February 10, 2017 at 4:02 pm

There are approximately 185,000 voting precincts in the US so 16 people per precinct will get you to 3 million. 

I believe surveys have shown 165 million people would emigrate to the US if given the chance (current visa backlog is 4.4 million for just relatives).

 

Jess Sain wrote on February 10, 2017 at 8:02 pm

Yes. And ballot box stuffing, double voting by snowbirds.  The dead voting from beyond the grave...for decades.  Do I really need to keep going or could you simply try to think?

Anon45876 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 10:02 pm

There have been multiple cases nationwide.  It should be looked into.  Wisconsin had voter ID for the first time in the 2016 election and voted Republican in a presidential election for the first time since the 1980s.  California has millions of illegals, lets illegals get drivers licenses, and has motor voter.  How can there not be widespread fraud in California? 

Scott Foval and Bob Creamer were caught on video describing how they signed up voters who shouldn't be voting.  They described the process, apparently proud of their cleverness.  Their arrogance meant it didn't occur to them that they were being recorded by Project Veritas.  They describe how they bused these fraudulent voters to the polling places, later getting them cars since this meant it was harder to prove fraud.  Hopefully the new attorney general can do something in the way of prosecuting those two.  The Democratic party fired the two of them for getting caught. 

The Democrats in the Senate just spent the last week criticizing the new attorney general of the USA for voter suppression.  This so called voter suppression is requiring ID to make sure they should be voting.  If there isn't widespread voter fraud why do Democrats get so exercised about verifying that people are actually citizens?  Fishy, fishy, fishy. 

There.  I walked you through it.  Ever consider taking a logic class?  It covers the main logical fallacies that people use to obfuscate.  It'll help you see through leftist lies and nonsense. 

TDG54 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 3:02 pm

Yeah, that's why this is probably fake news, cause there's no election fraud in this country. Just ask the Dems.

 

cwdog57 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 7:02 am

this is an amazing story. the timeline is what gets me. no wonder that they(immigrants and illegal aliens) seem to have no fear of the US immigration system when you can come and go from one country to another regardless of being arrested over and over. and yet here he is back in urbana, illinois.

and that's just one guy.

at least he didn't ruin the other guys credit.

tollbooth wrote on February 10, 2017 at 1:02 pm

Send every illegal back to where they came from.

Dreamers first.

yates wrote on February 10, 2017 at 9:02 am

Cue in Sid Saltfork, Saul and Bulldogamo...whatever. A possible democrat vote removed from the rolls.

Sid Saltfork wrote on February 10, 2017 at 10:02 am

yates;

Do you have a point to make on the article, or are you just making a personal attack?  I do not support non-Americans messing with a U.S. election whether they are Mexican, or Russian.

GeneralLeePeeved wrote on February 10, 2017 at 11:02 am

What makes you so sure that he voted for Democrats?   Indications are that as many as 29% of all latinos that voted, voted for Trump.  Stereotype much?

AngelaGarcia wrote on February 10, 2017 at 2:02 pm

First the liberals wailed that there was no such thing as voter fraud. Now proven wrong, they try to deflect by changing the terms of the argument. LoL

Deny - then when proven wrong - Deflect. Typical Liberal Libtard move.

rsp wrote on February 10, 2017 at 3:02 pm

Nobody has said there wasn't any fraud, they've said it's almost nonexistant. But fall back on the name-calling. Are you in kindergarden? Do you hink that helps your argument?

GeneralLeePeeved wrote on February 10, 2017 at 3:02 pm

How does your reply, in any way, address my question?   You're making the same foolish assumption that many others on this thread are making.....that because the guy is latino, he MUST have voted for democrats.....what a load of hooey!

BruckJr wrote on February 10, 2017 at 3:02 pm

You can be sure that he voted Dem. because the News Gazette would have published quotes from Pelosi, Durbin, Goldberg et al had the illegal vote been for a Rep.

Anon45876 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 10:02 pm

The illegals vote for Democrats almost to a person. 

stingray1970 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 9:02 am
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Was he able to vote in multiple states?

Automan wrote on February 10, 2017 at 10:02 am
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Here come the "I told you so's". Trump was right afterall. 

chief21 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 10:02 am

But Urbana is a sanctuary city.....look for the city to hire attorneys to pay for the defense. Remember there is NO voter fraud. There were some pretty slim margins of victory in local elections.....hmmmmm

Jen R wrote on February 10, 2017 at 10:02 am

The article said he had driver's licenses. How would a voter ID law have helped in this case?

JohnQPublic1 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 11:02 am

I just reported it to the Drudge Report.   Front page upper left corner.   Be prepared for millions of hits worldwide. 

JohnQPublic1 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 11:02 am

I just reported it to the Drudge Report.   Front page upper left corner.   Be prepared for millions of hits worldwide. 

Robert Canine wrote on February 10, 2017 at 11:02 am

Gordon Gordon naively suggests that this is an extremely rare case.  Good God, it's not.  I have absolutely no doubt that there are millions and millions of fraudulent votes cast in every election.  There are so many ways to cheat and the Democrats just keep coming up with more of them.  They've been at this for decades.  One of the latest scams is voting by mail.  The neighbors go through the trash pulling out unused ballots and mailing them in.  Just one example.  The last one that I heard being proposed was voting by Internet.  OMG, seriously?

Even if you have to prove that you're registered, it doesn't mean a thing in some states, because some states don't require identification when you register!

If you actually study the topic, you will be shocked ... unless you're a Democrat, in which case you'll be completely down with it, and defend it to the death.  Voter fraud is massive, pervasive, and almost 100% Democrat.

I pray that the justice department will go after this with everything that they have.  If we could truly eliminate all voter fraud, then no Democrat would get elected to a national office ... ever ... again.
 

rsp wrote on February 10, 2017 at 3:02 pm

One of the latest scams is voting by mail.  The neighbors go through the trash pulling out unused ballots and mailing them in.

Doesn't work that way. To vote by mail you have to order a ballot. So they know where they are, who has them.

GeneralLeePeeved wrote on February 10, 2017 at 3:02 pm

Don't bother explaining it to them....their mind is made up.  What good is your correct answer when they've already researched it on facebook, infowars and breitbart!    These are the same people who think Alex Jones is brilliant.

Save the Farms wrote on February 10, 2017 at 4:02 pm

Not in Oregon - all voting is by mail there - the ballots do indeed just "appear" in the mail.

You fill it out, sign it, and send it back - grandma and grandpa's ballot show up too, so the kids can help them fill it out properly.

lara7 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 12:02 pm

 

 

Childern born in the US to ILLEGALS are NOT US citizens.  This follows from the congressional discussions during debate or the 14th amemdment;  children born in the country to foreign DIPLOMATS were NOT to be granted birthright citizenship.   They hadn't discussed ILLEGAL foreigners because that was a rediculous concept  (they expected us to enforce our laws).   But if foreigners (legally here as diplomats) were discussed and their children would not be granted citizenship because they were subject to a foreign power ... just as illegals are citizens and subject to their native countries.

 

Beginning of 14th Amemdment  .

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

rsp wrote on February 10, 2017 at 3:02 pm

Childern born in the US to ILLEGALS ARE US citizens. Many live just over the border in Mexico and their parents work in those new factories making a living wage and every day their kids cross the bridge to go to school in America, because as US citizens they are entitled to a free one.

Annotator wrote on February 10, 2017 at 5:02 pm

Depending on the next four years of legal actions, that likely will change.  Their parents don't pay income, or other taxes, in the U.S.  The free resources granted to the children of aliens crossing the U.S. border to give birth to "anchor babies", will end.  Legal admitted immigrants will have these benefits.

rsp wrote on February 12, 2017 at 11:02 am

So the U S Constitution will just magically change to deny citizenship to to "anchor babies"? My grandson is an anchor baby and he's just as much a citizen as you.

vcponsardin wrote on February 10, 2017 at 12:02 pm

Yup, by golly.  Every election has a handful of people voting illegally.  But the number is so small that it is statistically insignificant.  How many have been discovered this time around?  Half a dozen at most--nationwide?  And this one was discovered in Urbana.  Do you think Urbana is somehow better at discovering these things than other communities?  Probably not.  So, when you find irrefutable evidence for millions of illegal voters, let us all know, ok?  Meanwhile...zzzzzzzzzz...

Glock21 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 12:02 pm

Granted there are always more still getting away with it than convicted, as this timeline makes clear. But as election officials in Red and Blue States and counties will point out, not by millions per conviction. There doesn't seem to be an official number on election fraud conviction nationwide... half a dozen may be on the low end... but probably only by a handful.

satanicmechanic wrote on February 10, 2017 at 12:02 pm

The worst about this is its not like his vote DID anything he literally wasted his time as Illinois is so solidly blue as far as electoral votes he didnt even need to vote. And if he voted somewhere downstate its so solidly red he STILL wasted his vote. So he broke the law for NO good reason and didnt actually accomplish anything he would have been better off getting a credit card with that stolen identity and running it up. At least THEN he would be punished for actually doing something.

SamColt.Maga wrote on February 10, 2017 at 12:02 pm

Where there is one cockroach, you will find thousands.

They also steal identities. Run up bad credit, and commit crimes.

Find them. Grab them. Deport them.

America FIRST!

#MAGA

jlnewell wrote on February 10, 2017 at 12:02 pm

This guy should be given a plea deal - either the maximum prision sentence or he and all his family leave this country forever.  That should get rid of at least 15 illegals plus their anchor babies with stolen citizenship.  That would be a start and a message to all prospective illegal voters.

rsp wrote on February 10, 2017 at 3:02 pm

Whose citizenship did the babies steal? They were born here so it's their birthright just like yours is. Are you against the constitution or just when it suits you?

Annotator wrote on February 10, 2017 at 5:02 pm

Their "birthright" was obtained by their parents illegaly entering the U.S.  A criminal act doesn't bestow a "birthright" for anyone.  Their parents will be deported, the mother immediately, and the father after serving a term in prison when convicted, since he has confessed to his criminal acts.

rsp wrote on February 12, 2017 at 11:02 am

You don't know that the mother committed any criminal acts, you are just assuming. She has legal documents giving her the right to be here. They will have to go to court to remove her.

And it's not a "birthright", it's a right of birth. A legal right. A Constitutional Right. Don't get all high and mighty and wave the law around if you aren't going to stand up for the highest law in this country.

KatherineWalters wrote on February 10, 2017 at 1:02 pm

Perhaps this man should ask Barack Obama to pay for his bail and court case since he encouraged illegal aliens to vote for Hillary on TV

APC wrote on February 10, 2017 at 3:02 pm

Nice.  You must be one of the people who only get their news from facebook.  Try googling this.  CNN had a live interview with Trump supporters, one of whom asserted this.  It took about 30 seconds to find out that this story comes from Fox business news, who LITERALLY cut Obama's sentence in half, then cut out another sentence and spliced another different sentence from a paragraph later.

Quite the "story." This is the worst kind of fake news - don't even take a sentence out of context - take a portion of one to make it seem like something else.

You really need to do some research before spouting a "fact" like this.

scott_tapley wrote on February 10, 2017 at 4:02 pm

APC...Guess you can have a difference of opinion, but in the exchange below (taken from Snopes.com) Obama seems to me to be hinting that the authorities wouldn't find out if you were an illegal and you voted...kind of sounds like he's saying that voting is what makes you a citizen, too.

RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens — and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country — are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?

OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

APC wrote on February 10, 2017 at 4:02 pm

Fox news:

OBAMA: Not true… The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential…

As you can see from the full quote you cited, Obama made it perfectly clear that he was talking about the rights of Latino citizens to vote, and clearly differentiated them from undocumented immigrants. He was not saying that illegal immigrants could vote without repercussions, but that the legal relatives of those immigrants could so so. The worst you can say of Obama’s answer is that he misunderstood the question.

Also, notice how Obama’s claim that the sancity of vote is confidential “in terms of who you voted for,” is trimmed down down to the broad claim that the sancity of the vote is confidential. Obama’s actual statement was true, but the impression given in the edited version is that Obama was saying that the names of those who actually vote are confidential (which is false).

Obama continued, in a section of the interview excised entirely by Fox Business:

OBAMA: People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you’re not just speaking for yourself. You’re speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school…

RODRIGUEZ: Your entire community.

OBAMA: …who may not have a voice, who can’t legally vote. But they’re counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.

Again, Obama is abundantly clear that he’s only talking about legal immigrants, and went out of his way to say that illegal immigrants cannot legally vote.

This is from http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-business-deceptively-edits-obama-intervie...

Annotator wrote on February 10, 2017 at 5:02 pm

Obama needs no defense.  He's no longer president.  He will eventually be the most disgraced president in the last 90 years, after Coolidge.  The legal actions to rid the U.S. of illegal criminal aliens are just beginning.

APC wrote on February 10, 2017 at 5:02 pm

Considering the actions of the Trump administration in the 3 weeks since it has taken over, I would say not.

Blatent lying about inconsequential (as well as important) matters (e.g., crowd size), missteps in foreign relations, corruption/law breaking (Ivanka tweets and shilling), appointing cabinet positions with embarrassing incidents (being unable to answer basic questions about the duties of the official, lying in front of the committee, etc...).

Obama only got us out of the worst recession since the great depression (thanks Bush and lax regulations of banks and the off the books Iraq war and Medicaid giveaway that pumped up our deficit), gave a better (if imperfect) healthcare system so 20 million more people are covered, didn't start any wars, and was highly respected overseas by our allies, among others.

Yeah, Obama will be remembered as one of the worst /snark

Did he make mistakes? Absolutely. 

Can you argue about some of his policies? Sure.

Was he terrible? Yes if the only thing you watch is Fox/Breitbart.

For the rest of us, he did pretty well considering the absolute stonewalling and lack of help from Congress that he had to deal with for more than 75% of his term.

MAGA wrote on February 10, 2017 at 1:02 pm

But Democrats have repeatedly said Illegals weren't voting. How can this be??? He's a tiny piece of the tip of large iceberg of voter fraud by illegals using stolen ID's. This guy needs to be convicted, serve prison time and deported immediately afterwards. Well all illegals need to be doported but guys like this are among the lowest of them. 

rsp wrote on February 12, 2017 at 9:02 pm

The lowest. Worked a job supporting his family, paid his bills, etc. Didn't kill anyone, deal drugs, etc. Absolute lowest.

Burnet1187 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 1:02 pm

This is but the tip of the iceberg.   There are millions of these across the country.   Once they realize we are going to find them and prosecute them, you will see a mass exodus for the border.   Usually rats desert a sinking ship.  In this case the rats are the ones sinking the ship, and once they swim back to Mexico, the ship of state will be viable again and proudly afloat, steaming to a bright new future.

Jcar wrote on February 10, 2017 at 1:02 pm

I thought this was impossible?? I've been assured by Pelosi,  Schumer, McCain,  and other members of congress this does not happen. They said Trump is wrong and wasting his time. Now, just today,  I see a conviction in Dallas courts for voter fraud and now this. Incredible. 

mucklucky wrote on February 10, 2017 at 2:02 pm

It's a shame this man had to start off illegally.  He seems like a working man, not a bum or a drug dealer. 

Wesley of Champaign wrote on February 10, 2017 at 3:02 pm

Is there Social Security or Medicaid fruad happening? Has the government stopped it......NO. We're talking Billions of dollars a year. Are there thousands of tons of illegal drugs being drug across the border and sold in the United States? Yes.....Has the government stopped this form happening? NO. Has the government been able to stop it? NO. How the heck are they going to stop illegal aliens from voting illegally? They're not. It cant happen when half the country supports our elected govenment and half the country does not. The crazy thing is that half the ones that don't support our elected government are here illegally. If people can defruad our government of billions of dollars from these programs, don't for one minute think that millions of people can't vote illegally. I wonder what plan the extreme left has for our country? It can't be good...................................

rsp wrote on February 10, 2017 at 3:02 pm

The budgets for these programs isn't even in the billions. 

Robert Canine wrote on February 10, 2017 at 4:02 pm

Wow, that was one of the dumber comments that I've seen today.  The Social Security budget is around 900 billion dollars (around 25% of the entire federal budget), and Medicare is over 600 billion dollars.

hughglass wrote on February 10, 2017 at 2:02 pm

Si Se Puedo   Convict....

Don't forget your soap on a rope

uncommon_name wrote on February 10, 2017 at 3:02 pm

He didn't have to start off illegally. That was his choice. He could have followed the immigration process as millions before him have done. He took a shortcut, broke the law multiple times, but we sure will miss his work ethic.

-- this was in response to mucklucky above ^^

APC wrote on February 10, 2017 at 4:02 pm

Arguing common sense here is like tilting at windmills.  So many people have closed minds.

Not one person has EVER said that voter fraud doesn't occur - they have only indicated that in person voter fraud is EXTREMELY rare.  So far there are a couple of cases in Ohio (Trump voters - as the individuals stated when being arrested - they wanted to compensate for all of the fraud that they believed was happening due to Trump saying so).  Idaho today indicated that there were a handful of cases, most of the voting (not fraud) issues arising from the poll workers mismarking the roll books.  As Idaho reported, there was literally a <0.0001% fraud rate.  This is similar to what was found in other states (e.g. Ohio, Florida) found.  Extrapolating over the entire country, for about 100 Milliion votes, this is about 100 votes across the entire country.

In person voter fraud is simply not a huge issue.

But I suspect that actual facts won't make a difference to most people here.

Wynotme307 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 6:02 pm

Have you been hiding in Plato's cave? Many have claimed there is no voter fraud. And you are claiming it is rare, so his rare need it be? Reported tgat there are between 20 million to 11 million illegals needed to be deported. 3 million is around 25% of the total majority Hillary claims. If even ten percent of illegals voted, with the number of miscounts and aberitions, she most likely carried the fraudulent majority. Your '0.0001% is very close to the supposed majority Mrs. Clinton claims.

APC wrote on February 10, 2017 at 8:02 pm

From what I have seen, no one is claiming that there is no voter fraud.  All reliable sources that I have seen have said that voter fraud is rare, and in person voter fraud small enough to be negligible (31 cases out of 1 BILLION votes).

For what you say to make sense 1/4 of all illiegal immigrants have to a) have a stolen identity from someone outside the state in which they resided (or within and the same person did not vote), b) they all voted, and c) they all voted for Hillary.

Despite the fact that there is little evidence that any of this is true, you persist in this myth.

Again, no evidence.  Multiple states, red and blue, have looked into voter fraud and none, NONE, have found any significant amount.

Show me any evidence that your assertion is true.

Just because our dear leader keeps repeating this lie does not make it true.

CallSaul wrote on February 10, 2017 at 4:02 pm

So rightwingers are lying --- shockingly --- and saying opponents of Republican vote suppression laws claimed there is absolutely zero fraud. They of course don't provide evidence to back this up because even they know it's a lie.

This was one person and he was caught by existing procedures and charged under existing laws.

He had an ID, so the vote suppression laws pushed by Republicans would have done nothing to stop him.

And right wingers --- shockingly --- stereotype him as a Dem voter because he's latino.

So why are some rightwingers so embarrassingly aroused by this...?

Ah, that's right. They're so aroused by this because they think they can use it as an excuse to further their vote suppression efforts. And as an extra, they see it as an excuse to beat up on latinos, whether they're citizens, whether they're here legally or whether they're undocumented.

No one should be surprised I gues...

cjw61822@hotmail.com wrote on February 10, 2017 at 4:02 pm

There was an electioin in Champaign County that was decided by less than 50 votes I believe.  This gentleman and others who voted illegally has changed the political dynamics of this county.   Maybe the President wsa not wrong after all.

GeneralLeePeeved wrote on February 10, 2017 at 4:02 pm

I think you're giving them too much credit.  I believe that it's more a case of being desparate to grasp ahold of anything that resembles a "win" for their belief system.   You have to remember, it's been a rough three weeks for them.  In just the last few days, their boy has managed to insult and degrade the U.S. judicial system....yeah, that's real defensible.  They're also coming to grips with the reality that the ACA hasn't been repealed and most likely won't be for quite some time, if ever.  They are also trying to rationalize the spending of over $15 billion for a fence that's not going to keep anybody out and will be paid for by U.S. taxpayers.....and, in less than three weeks, their boy has left them with zero credibility to say that Obama's executive orders were an overreach of power.   This is just the first month......get your popcorn ready.

 

Annotator wrote on February 10, 2017 at 5:02 pm

"He had an ID, so the vote suppression laws pushed by Republicans would have done nothing to stop him."

Yes, he had an I.D. sold to him by the brother of the person he was impersonating. for $50,000!  Yes, it probably did nothing to stop him voting illegally. 

Further: "Valencia-Sandoval, who lives in the 0-to-100 block of Ivanhoe Drive, U, also admitted that he did not have Ramiro Guerrero-Vasquez's permission to use his identity; had used the identity to live in Illinois since March 2005; had obtained driver's licenses, bank accounts and loans for vehicles; had opened two restaurants that have since been sold; and had obtained a lawful permanent resident card for his wife."

Quite an alleged group of criminal charges he has admitted to, and since he has now been charged, the next step is to trial and punishment.

"Ah, that's right. They're so aroused by this because they think they can use it as an excuse to further their vote suppression efforts. And as an extra, they see it as an excuse to beat up on latinos, whether they're citizens, whether they're here legally or whether they're undocumented."

Suppress the voting rights of confessed criminal aliens?  So, you seem to defend the behavior.  If they are citizens, and I know many in town that are here legally, latinos and other races, they are voting without complication.  I've lived in the county for 66 years, and I still have to produce my voter I.D. card when requested.

CallSaul wrote on February 10, 2017 at 6:02 pm

As I said, the Republican vote suppression efforts wouldn't have stopped him from voting.

And of course you have to lie. When did I say the Republican vote suppression laws were suppressing some non existent right of non citizens to vote? 

The Republican vote suppression efforts are of course aimed at citizens who do have the right to vote but who the Republicans fear will tend to vote against them.

The fact that you have to blatantly misrepresent my statement shows how weak you know your case for vote suppression aimed at citizens is...

dpl096 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 4:02 pm

Gee imagine that! Anyone else have a shocked look frozen on their face?  The Democrats will not see this for the crime it is but will twist this into how the authorities are bullying and harassing poor innocent illegal immigrants.  I've said it numerous times. For those of you Democratic radical liberals who worship at Hussein's altar of lies, deceit and hatred for law & order and the morals and ethics therein I beg you to please publicaly post your personal information so that we all get what we want. You get what you want, illegal immigrants and terrorists roaming freely in our midst. The illegal immigrants and terrorists get what they want, to freely roam our streets and neighborhoods and to easily come to your home and harm you or your wife/ daughter, stab your son, rob your house and steal your car. And I get what I want.... To say I told you so, feel very little sorrow for your stupidity as I uncontrollably laugh and look forward to the illegal being released quickly back into the flock of ignorant defensless liberals. 

APC wrote on February 10, 2017 at 5:02 pm

Yikes - the world you live in is terrifying.  I can see why you believe the garbage you are spouting.

I wouldn't go outside your house if I were you - it is several million times more likely that you will be hit by a car or struck by lightning than any terrorist harming you. 

I truly pity you and your worldview. No facts, just far right spewing garbage devoid of anything resembling reality. 

Wynotme307 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 6:02 pm

Unlike you, we are not just worried about ourselves but for our fellow man. Yes, we are sad when lightening strikes, even if they are liberal. But we can never control the lightening. We can control the illegal entry into our country, and hope to control the terrorist. To us, and to me, an attack on any US Citizen is an attack on our country, even if it is from a cancer within.

Wynotme307 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 6:02 pm

YES! There are over 11,000,000 illegal aliens according to reports. 3,000,000 is highly probable. This is only the second, but number three is on the bottom of this report, and we have yet to start examining the extent of the problem. For perspective, 3milliin is only 25% of the 11 million.

gooojooo wrote on February 10, 2017 at 7:02 pm

In california we let illegals get drivers lisences and we also have motor voter laws which automatically regesters the applicant to vote 3 million illegal votes are within reason

 

NolanConley wrote on February 10, 2017 at 7:02 pm

This is just the tip of the iceberg.  Our "past president" turned a blind eye to voter fraud.  I'll bet Hellery didn't win the popular vote legally either!

danitcba763 wrote on February 10, 2017 at 8:02 pm

This kind of behavior is exactly why Trump was elected in the first place. People are tired of this.

 

Us “deplorables” had to live under 8 years of Obama’s tyranny. We watched our freedoms gradually being taken away.  We saw the gun grabs coming. Conservative speakers were not being allowed on college campuses. Trump rally attendees being physically beaten...

 

Thanks to Obama, we have expensive health insurance forced on all of us. Even auto insurance is forced on us (thank god for $25/month Insurance Panda coverage). What’s next? Mandatory phone insurance? We have taxes on top of taxes and our freedoms are slowly disappearing. 

 

If you wanted Hillary in office, you should've turned out in higher numbers. Period. You can protest all you want, doesn't change the outcome.

    

APC wrote on February 10, 2017 at 8:02 pm

This is not snarky but - what freedoms have you actually lost?

Was there ever a "gun grab?"  I saw a lot of fearmongering from the right, but all I ever saw was some common sense attempts to enforce laws that were already on the books, close gun show loopholes, and stop the sales of assault rifles/high mags to try to limit the amount of carnage done.  None of these ever succeeded.

I agree that reasonable conservative speakers should be allowed on campuses to prove their points.  Free speech should extend to those with differing viewpoints. 

I didn't hear about anyone at Trump rallys being beaten.  I did see video footage at numerous Trump rallys of peaceful protesters (albeit loud/sign carrying) being suckerpunched by Trump supporters.

As for health insurance, we all pay at some level.  Emergency room visits for those who don't have insurance are well cronicled to be much more expensive than preventative medicine.  Who pays? If you don't have insurance and can't pay, I do. My rates go up because of you.  And they go up higher than if you have insurance.  If you didn't have insurance and do now, congratulations on no longer rolling the dice with your health and burdening us with the costs if something catastrophic happened.  It is like this with all insurance. 

Want to gamble?  Do it at a casino.  When your actions affect others (health, car, etc...) that's when your freedoms become more limited.

BTW, health insurance costs have risen more slowly after the ACA than before.  My premiums went up year after year by 10-20% thanks to the for profit insurance industry.  After it was introduced, much less.

 

You are right about voting.  For those that thought Hillary was as bad as Trump, we are daily finding out the difference. They were wrong - Trump is much, much worse.

Annotator wrote on February 11, 2017 at 12:02 am

"You are right about voting.  For those that thought Hillary was as bad as Trump, we are daily finding out the difference. They were wrong - Trump is much, much worse."

Hillary violated her security oath, as documented by the F.B.I. investigation.  She just didn't get indicted by the Obama D.o.J. after the A.G. had a tarmac rendevous with her husband in Phoenix.  Trump is much worse for the elitist far-left liberals, who still can't accept the consequences of eight years of Obama governing by executive orders.  Now, some of those executive orders have been cancelled, and many more will be.  As they were written by Obama, they will now be cancelled by his successor.

"I didn't hear about anyone at Trump rallys being beaten.  I did see video footage at numerous Trump rallys of peaceful protesters (albeit loud/sign carrying) being suckerpunched by Trump supporters."

I beg to differ on this.  There are hours of elitist far-left liberals on tape damaging property, blocking access to Trump speaking engagements and attacking people for supporting Trump by wearing clothing or carrying signs supporting him.  The latest was on the U.C. Berkley campus a week ago, and that was a speaker who wasn't allowed to speak due to the violence on the street.

Jess Sain wrote on February 10, 2017 at 8:02 pm

After 8 years of relentless ObamaFail and lawlessness, it is so good to see the rule of law return.  It will take another 8 years to remove every subversive mole, traitor, infiltrator in the current adminstration left over by the Obamanation.  On the plus side the wall will be built, the illegals will be gone, jobs will be here for Americans and there will be no benefits for welfare leeches who want to loaf on the government dime.

Soon the Supreme court will be repaired from the damage done by liberals/RINO's and MAGA will be the rule of the day.

APC wrote on February 10, 2017 at 8:02 pm

Keep repeating these lies.  Maybe they will one day...

I'm kidding.  Lawlessness?  Maybe in portions of Chicago the crime rate has increased, but overall crime is at an all time low (despite what Trump said, the murder rate, for example, is the lowest it's been in 47 years).

Wall? Sure. Assuming deficits don't matter, let's pour the $20B (numbers came out today) into something absolutely useless rather than work on our physical or social infrastructure. Never going to be built (portions of the existing fence may be buttressed, however).

Illegals? Obama deported more than Bush, year after year.  BTW - where are the resources for finding and deporting them going to come from?  Obama was deporting ones with violent criminal records with the $ congress provided.  Go talk with Rodney to see whether Congress will pony up the additional amounts (another $10-20B) for manpower, coordination, courts, transport.

Welfare leeches.  Sure, most people on welfare would rather live on that $200/month than actually do work.  Go kick people on welfare to the curb.

Scotus? Yeah, nothing like not giving a nominee an up or down vote.  Never in history has this been done.  Never.  Sure - let's make sure that corporations can stomp all over your rights - they are people you know said the court.  Let's make it harder to sue when you suffer some sort of job-related accident, for example.  Ah, freedom.

cjw61822@hotmail.com wrote on February 10, 2017 at 9:02 pm

Yes I saw that last night the crime per 100000 spiked in 1992 and has been on a downward spiral since then.

 

I thought to myself what happened in 1992.   President Clinton/Democratic Congress enacted mandatrory sentences.  Crime started to go down........

 

but Chicago murders are going to be past the 2016 totals..........

 

but the Sheriff of Cook County and the Chairman of the Cook county board say that there are too many persons of color in jail and the ILGA refuses to enact strict sentences for gun crimes.

APC wrote on February 10, 2017 at 9:02 pm

No disagreement - if you do the crime, you do the time.  If you used a gun, do more time.

We could lower the incarceration rate (highest in the world) by getting rid of the mandatory sentencing for drug possession (small amounts).  It does no good and merely sucks away resources for those that should really be in jail.

Not sure about what to do about Chicago.  Apparently, a lot of the guns come in from straw buyers in Indiana, where the gun laws are looser.  Wouldn't want to step on the rights of a straw purchaser to buy 100s of guns for gang bangers.

DeplorableLegalCitizen wrote on February 10, 2017 at 11:02 pm

Dude, I guarantee nobody is legally buying guns and then turning around and selling them on the streets of Chicago. But keep up the lies, there's 1/4 the country that probably agrees with you and they live in Cali. and NY.

Annotator wrote on February 10, 2017 at 11:02 pm

"Wall? Sure. Assuming deficits don't matter, let's pour the $20B (numbers came out today) into something absolutely useless rather than work on our physical or social infrastructure. Never going to be built (portions of the existing fence may be buttressed, however)." "Welfare leeches.  Sure, most people on welfare would rather live on that $200/month than actually do work.  Go kick people on welfare to the curb."

The southern border wall is a part of our new physical infrastructure.  The social infrastructure doesn't need more funding, it needs less.  Those on the current roles of unearned social funding are going to have jobs to go to in the next eight years.  Some may not want to go to work, and that is their personal decision, and they will find themselves without unearned social funding.

"Scotus? Yeah, nothing like not giving a nominee an up or down vote.  Never in history has this been done.  Never.  Sure - let's make sure that corporations can stomp all over your rights - they are people you know said the court.  Let's make it harder to sue when you suffer some sort of job-related accident, for example.  Ah, freedom."

The change is coming, but not in the form your statement envisions.  Get ready for a new society of people going to work and being productive from the higher education institutions of today.  Don't try the liberal philosophy from the classrooms of today, you and yours will starve.

Marty wrote on February 13, 2017 at 2:02 pm

Estimates are that illegal aliens cost the US around $100 billion per year. Getting rid of them could be a money maker.

fuddrules wrote on February 10, 2017 at 10:02 pm
JenniferTG wrote on February 11, 2017 at 1:02 am

There is a lot of discussion below regarding how much or how little voter fraud is taking place.  Predictably, Democrats poo-poo the idea, pointing out how few cases have been uncovered and how few people have been prosecuted.  One suggestion, coming from Obama is 31 cases in 1 billion votes cast.

Trump wants a full investigation to determine how many dead people, how may illegal/undocumented aliens/immigrants have voted, how many people voted multiple times and how many people voted in more than one state (Florida snowbirds voting in Dade County and by absentee in NYC?).  Democrats say he is wasting his time and taxpayer monies.

He talked about focussing on two states - probably California and New York.  Presumably the investigation will involve running computer comparisons of the state voter rolls against Social Security records of those who are deceased, although this would only be the start.  Done properly, it would have to run the voter rolls of all 50 states against their vital statistics records of the deceased just to determine how many dead people are still voting.  The study would also have to look for matches of two users of one SS number registered to vote in two or more states.  

As a former immigration attorney, I know for a fact that genuine-looking Social Security cards can be bought for $50.00 on a number of street corners in NYC and Philadelphia, and presumably many other cities.  With that card, one can get a driver's license and use that to register to vote, as well as get employment and bank accounts.  When those numbers are run through SS's records, they will either show that the number was that of a deceased person, or that more than one person is using that number, or that it is a fake number.  Matched with the voter rolls, there will be proof of voter fraud.

This study, done properly, should decide the issue one way or the other and put the controversy to bed.

Local Yocal wrote on February 11, 2017 at 4:02 am
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the Piatt County sheriff's office was informed that he had been living under Vasquez's name for about 11 years. Valencia-Sandoval most recently has worked for an Urbana drywall contractor.

Yeah, like, real Americans are lining up to hang drywall. How dare he take our jobs?

 ...Valencia-Sandoval was arrested at the U.S.-Mexico border in Laredo, Texas, when he attempted to re-enter the country with a Texas birth certificate and state of Illinois ID card bearing the name of Ramiro Guerrora Vasquez. ...and that in March 2005 he had purchased it from Oscar Guerrero-Vasquez — Ramiro Guerrero-Vasquez's brother — for $50,000...

Looks like border security is tightening up since the Trump Phenomenon, and look how desperate people are to get to the U.S.: he pays nearly a house-worth of money for the I.D. 

Valencia-Sandoval, who lives in the 0-to-100 block of Ivanhoe Drive, U, also admitted that he did not have Ramiro Guerrero-Vasquez's permission to use his identity; had used the identity to live in Illinois since March 2005; had obtained driver's licenses, bank accounts and loans for vehicles; had opened two restaurants that have since been sold; and had obtained a lawful permanent resident card for his wife. The couple has four children, all born in the United States, said his attorneys, Tony and Evan Bruno.

Sounds like a responsible family man who bent the rules for some reason. Maybe he couldn't find his own birth certificate and resorted to the black market to purchase his citizenship into this country.

And what did he do while he was here for 11 years? He opened two restaurants, sold them, owned cars, owned a home and worked drywall and was a father to four kids. Yes. He's the terrorist we should be afraid of?

There should be an argument for "good time behavior" during deportation hearings. If you came here illegally but did so to work and raise a family, the process to citizenship should be speeded up.

To the rest of the tin-foiled Trumpsters, shame on your family values. 

 

cjw61822@hotmail.com wrote on February 11, 2017 at 10:02 am

There are lots of examples of "good family" men working hard who are criminals.   His wife got her green card based upon a lie.  If she does not get her green card, then perhaps her children are not born in the US......we are now responsible for their education through U116.

 

He needs to go along with the wife.   Get in line and start again.

 

BTW: You want to comment about the illegal who killed a woman on 74 on NYE and then escaped back to Central Amercia.  He was a "hard working" family man too.............

APC wrote on February 11, 2017 at 10:02 am

Not to put too fine a point on it, but it was not Obama who indicated 31/billion in person fraud cases - this is from various states and AGs/voter commissions in these states.  Obama has nothing to do with investigating fraud cases - it is a state issue to control voting rights (see all those disparate laws in NC, Texas, Ill, and CA, for example).  Again, to this point, of all states investigating this none - 0 - have found any evidence of voter fraud on a massive scale.  Isolated incidents? Yes. Massive fraud? No.

I am a little shocked to hear you blame Obama for this number - he had nothing to do with producing this number.

I am unsurprised that SS cards go for $50.  However, this does not translate into people having this card actually voting - it is a long stretch.  Not to say that it can't happen, but, as all of the available evidence indicates, it is exceedingly rare.

Focusing on CA and NY may well reveal that there are a number of people registered to vote in multiple states.  This is unsurprising as many people move, and a lot of people live in these states.  In fact, at last count, I believe that no fewer than 3 people in Trump's cabinet are registered to vote in at least 2 states.  Voter registration, however, is not the main issue, it is finding out whether people actually voted in the same state twice or 2 different states at the same time, the latter of which will require a review of the SS numbers from every state,  As a side note, for all of you deficit hawks out there - if the feds are going to do this, where is the money for this going to come from?

The main point of this is that there is 0 evidence of 3 million illegal votes cast in CA or tens of thousands in NH (Trump indicated last night, which made Ayotte kringe apparently).  The president of the US simply should not be spouting conspiracy theories without any actual evidence to hide the fact that he was not the winner of the popular vote.