Davis: Trump not to blame for Charlottesville tragedy

Davis: Trump not to blame for Charlottesville tragedy

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CHAMPAIGN — U.S. Rep. Rodney Davis said Monday that he doesn't blame President Trump for the violence Saturday at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesvile, Va., but that he thinks the president should have been more assertive in condemning it.

"I think the president was pretty clear in his full statement but Monday morning quarterbacking, could he have said more? Sure, and I think he is. And I think he has," the Republican congressman from Taylorville said during an interview at his Champaign office Monday morning.

In a statement Saturday to reporters at his golf resort in Bedminster, N.J., Trump called for an end to the violence. But the president spread blame for the "hatred, bigotry and violence" that resulted in the death of one person to "many sides."

On Sunday the White House released a statement that went further.

"The president said very strongly in his statement yesterday that he condemns all forms of violence, bigotry and hatred and of course that includes white Supremacists, KKK, neo-Nazi and all extremist groups," said the statement that was unattributed.

Davis, whose congressional district includes Champaign-Urbana and much of central Illinois to the west and south, said the unrest at the "Unite the Right" rally could not be blamed on Trump, and referred to his own brush with violence at a congressional softball team practice on June 14.

"What happened in Charlottesville is no more President Trump's fault than what happened to me two months ago when a Bernie Sanders supporter shot at me. I didn't blame Bernie Sanders for that. I blame the gunman," Davis said of the shooting at a northern Virginia park where Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., was seriously injured and the gunman, James T. Hodgkinson, was killed. "And you can't blame Donald Trump for this hateful young man who did what he did yesterday.

"And he should be held accountable for the furthest extent of the law, and be prosecuted for killing an innocent individual in Charlottesville, Virginia, regardless of either of their political points of view. We're Americans."

Davis said he took part in a bipartisan congressional trip to seven countries during Congress' July 4th break, including a quick visit to the D-Day beaches in Normandy, France, where the Allied effort to liberate Europe began in 1944.

"We went to Normandy, and anybody who wants to carry a Nazi flag ought to be forced to go sit down on Omaha Beach and watch a video of American heroes climbing the cliffs with gunfire coming their way, to come and take down that Nazi flag that was up on top of the garrisons," said Davis. "Anybody in Charlottesville that was marching with the white supremacists needs to be loaded on a plane and taken to Normandy and realize what we were up against."

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APC wrote on August 14, 2017 at 1:08 pm

This statement misses the point in so many ways. 

Many, many people on the right and left (including the alt-right) in the US and across the globe have indicated that Trump, by repeatedly NOT specifically calling out the neo-nazis et al., did not condemn and has actually condoned these actions.  Say what you want about the liberals, but when the members of your own party notice, as well as the neo-nazis themselves, it is clear that there is something wrong with the words and impressions made by the president of the US.

Unlike Hodgkinson's shooting of Scalise, which was immediately condemned by everyone (and notably, the reports did not tie him into a particular movement - i.e. a loner), Fields was directly associated with the neo-nazi movement.  This and other similar movements have gained momentum and stature thanks to Trump (e.g., birther movement, other failures to explicitly disavow himself from David Duke and others).

As for Normandy - this is useless. The people who believe in this cr*p believe that the Nazi's were correct in their worldview - getting rid of all Jews, gays, etc... Taking them to France to see the sacrifice that their ancestors made (or bone-spurred out of...) for freedom would do nothing, zilch, to change this outlook.

Once again, Rod is an apologist for Trump. Another reason to think about your vote in 2018.

I will note, in passing, that Taylorville is the home of a neo-nazi group, according to the southern poverty law center (https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map). I do not mean to imply anything about Rod - just that our district contains at least one hate group.

cjw61822@hotmail.com wrote on August 14, 2017 at 2:08 pm

I note in passing that there are several hate groups in the home town of IL Speaker of the House Madigan.  Democrat from Chicago.

 

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/black-s...

APC wrote on August 14, 2017 at 3:08 pm

Indeed - even though the population is much greater and more diverse in that district, hate groups can be found in a number of places.

But we digress - what were we saying about Trump and his enablers, such as Rod?

cjw61822@hotmail.com wrote on August 14, 2017 at 3:08 pm

Nothing.  what are you implying about a hate group being in his home town?

 

Bloomington Indiana, the most liberal town in Indiana has a hate group associated with it too.  What is your point?

APC wrote on August 14, 2017 at 5:08 pm

To repeat myself, I am not implying anything about Rod specifically. I just found it an interesting coincidence that a town of 10K, with nothing relatively close by (Springfield is a good 20+ miles away), has a hate group.  It doesn't surprise me that someplace like Bloomington has a hate group - it is a liberal town of 80+K in a red state, and thus somewhat more likely to be a mecca for more extremist people.

 

wykhb wrote on August 14, 2017 at 10:08 pm

I find it an interesting coincidence that you don't mention ALL hate groups, such as  BLM and Antifa as well.  You can surely find those in Bloomington, and Champaign, and Springfield, and apparently Charlottesville, VA. 

APC wrote on August 15, 2017 at 2:08 pm

That's because, as far as I can tell, neither of these groups have been classified as a hate group by the SPLC.  BLM, in fact, is the exact opposite - it is fighting for all people to be treated equally (thus the title of the organization - BLACK LIVES MATTER).  Are there individuals within BLM that are violent? Sure - but the movement itself is not directed to violence.

This is entirely unlike the KKK (lynching - black lives don't matter), or the neo-nazis (only white lives matter). Apples/Oranges comparison.

 

Annotator wrote on August 15, 2017 at 4:08 pm

"That's because, as far as I can tell, neither of these groups have been classified as a hate group by the SPLC.  BLM, in fact, is the exact opposite - it is fighting for all people to be treated equally (thus the title of the organization - BLACK LIVES MATTER).  Are there individuals within BLM that are violent? Sure - but the movement itself is not directed to violence."

How about the BLM marches in 2016, as shown on multiple media channels?  "What do we want; dead cops; when do we want it?  NOW!!"  Or; "Pigs in a blanket; fry 'em up!"  Believe what you will, BLM has inspired at least five incidents, in which police officers were injured or killed, at least three of whom were black!  The shooters social media all had links to BLM's website, which encourages violence toward all law enforcement members.

wykhb wrote on August 16, 2017 at 12:08 am

Crickets..   LOL

dolores wrote on August 18, 2017 at 1:08 pm

Police aren't a protected class the way race, gender, sex orientation, etc are.

wykhb wrote on August 18, 2017 at 3:08 pm

Right, all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others right?  Who over the age of 7 doesn't know that disrespecting cops and breaking the law is not an intelligent way to conduct oneself? 

wykhb wrote on August 15, 2017 at 5:08 pm

Was there violence in Charlottesville before masked terrorists with weapons showed up to start it?   How many people who are simply citizens there simply showed up to voice opposition over the attempts to change the history of this country?  What is happening is a massive rejection of the hate and division sown not only in the USA, but throughout the world by the liberal racist nazi regime of Obama and Clinton Inc.

Basically the adults who work and pay the bills got tired of wayward destructive children and are now stepping back up.   Dems had their chance, they blew it beyond comprehension. 

 

Alex Goodlad wrote on August 16, 2017 at 6:08 pm

But the chants of the protestors in Charlottesville were "blood and soil" and "jews will not replace us." That's textbook nazi-ism. Wake up.

 

In what way is Obama and Clinton nazi-ism? You seem like the hateful one if you're just spewing ad hominem insults at a general political ideology.

wykhb wrote on August 17, 2017 at 12:08 pm

FIrst, ad hominem applies to a person, not a position or "ideology".  Like so many others, you are repeating what is popular at the moment, but you don't know what it actually means. 

You imply that all the protestors on the right were nazi extremists, which must mean that all the protestors on the left were antifa terrorists.   Thank you, it's so much easier to just classify all people in a group as being the same, what could wrong?  

I look at the second paragraph that you wrote immediately after the first and just shake my head.  No hypocrisy in there, none at all?    

What liberalism and the so called antifa and BLM have become is not only real fascism, it's also terrorism.  They are attempting to prevent people from speaking and making their views known by using intimidation and violence.  They advocate for the diminishment of people based on race, that actually is racism no matter how you package it. 

  The evidence that the violence and unrest has been organized and financed by Democrats has been widely shown for quite some time.  That applies throughout the world actually, how many terrorist groups and drug cartels are running around with American provided weapons, attacking our allies, overthrowing governments?     

 

CallSaul wrote on August 14, 2017 at 3:08 pm

I wonder how low Trump's approval numbers will have to fall before Rodney runs away from Trump as fast as he runs away from meeting with his constituents...?

Lostinspace wrote on August 14, 2017 at 3:08 pm

Anyone who does not firmly and consistently condemn violence, intimidation, and racism shares the blame.

wykhb wrote on August 14, 2017 at 10:08 pm

You can't say that, Trump said that and look at the uproar it has caused.  

CallSaul wrote on August 14, 2017 at 10:08 pm

Of course the Trump refused to condemn the nazis, kkk and white supremacist terrorists for days --- they're his base and he obviously shares their views.

It looked like a hostage video when he was finally forced to criticize them after so long because his aides and Republican party operatives were so concerned about the political damage he was doing to them all.

He criticized the African American head of Merck in 54 minutes for leaving the commission because of Trump's clear support of racists and nazis in waiting so long to speak out against them.

Notice that 2 other CEOs also quit today but the nazi/KKK lovingTrump didn't personally attack them...

I wonder why...

What was the difference...?

It sure is a puzzlement...

Annotator wrote on August 15, 2017 at 4:08 pm

Blah, blah, blah... You need new material in your posts.  Your cause is lost.  If the democratic party doesn't come up with someone other than Warren, Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein and Waters there won't be a change in POTUS after 2020.

JohnRalphio wrote on August 14, 2017 at 9:08 pm

What a weasel-faced little coward Davis is. I guess now that Trump's finally decided to say that Nazis are bad, Davis thinks we can all just ignore David Duke's explicit references to Trump's campaign in talking about the motivations for the racist rally.

What Davis is really doing is playing up the big Republican false equivalency, implying that we can't point fingers at the Nazis in the White House for inspiring a large, well-organized white supremacist rally, because some unhinged Bernie supporter shot at him in the spring. Davis is going to milk the shooting for all it's worth for as long as he can, just like he does with his wife's cancer.

wykhb wrote on August 14, 2017 at 10:08 pm

Tell him that to his face, until then YOU are the coward.  As for the incredibly repugnant cancer remark, it's obvious what kind of person you are: very lonely.

CallSaul wrote on August 14, 2017 at 10:08 pm

We can't because he's afraid meet with his constituents. 

Because he's a cowardly Trump lickspittle and will be remembered as such in 11/2018...

wykhb wrote on August 15, 2017 at 12:08 am

Davis met with his constituents, didn't see you there despite all the screaming before that, and you are still insisting that it didn't happen. 

There's even free public transportation that went to the meeting, taxpayers and the government couldn't have made it easier for you, seems to be right up your alley, so?  

According to your reasoning, that makes YOU a coward in your own eyes for not showing up?    

 

Alex Goodlad wrote on August 16, 2017 at 6:08 pm

"Davis met with his constituents, didn't see you there despite all the screaming before that, and you are still insisting that it didn't happen."

I was there on all occasions in Champaign. His small groups model made no attempt to speak to everyone there who had concerns.

"There's even free public transportation that went to the meeting, taxpayers and the government couldn't have made it easier for you, seems to be right up your alley, so?"

News to me.

"According to your reasoning, that makes YOU a coward in your own eyes for not showing up? "

How do you know he didn't? That's kinda rude to assume that of him.

wykhb wrote on August 17, 2017 at 3:08 pm

But then here you are assuming that saul is a "he", do  you know that for sure have  you met saul?  

The MTD route goes by Davis' office, I correct myself on the "free" statement, when looking at my property tax bills it certainly is anything but.  

You were there at every one,   you didn't see or hear anyone tell him those nasty things, thanks for backing me up. 

Wishing cancer on someone and cheering it because of your political ideology... that isn't rude?  No rebuke at all for your teammate there?   How very telling. 

johnny wrote on August 15, 2017 at 3:08 am

Funny how I don't hear this complaint from anywhere else in the district.

JohnRalphio wrote on August 17, 2017 at 9:08 pm

I am not an elected official who is SUPPOSED to be publicly standing up for what's right, as well as representing the interests of my constituents. Davis is, and he doesn't have the courage or honesty to do either.

And I stand by my comment: Davis' continual restatement of "my wife had cancer so I know about health care problems" in response to any criticism of his support for the AHCA was a tasteless exploitation of his family's past troubles for political gain.

CommonSenseless wrote on August 18, 2017 at 8:08 am

Do you feel the same way about Tammy Duckworth?

Annotator wrote on August 15, 2017 at 4:08 pm

"What a weasel-faced little coward Davis is. I guess now that Trump's finally decided to say that Nazis are bad, Davis thinks we can all just ignore David Duke's explicit references to Trump's campaign in talking about the motivations for the racist rally."

Of course you want to ignore the fact that Trump repudiated David Duke, on multiple media broadcasts, and in a presidential debate question asked by moderator Chris Wallace?  Stop drinking the Kool-Aid of the failed Democratic Party.

charlottescot wrote on August 15, 2017 at 7:08 am

There is a huge difference between what happened with the alleged Bernie Sanders supporter who shot members of the GOP softball team and what happened in Charlottesville. Upon learning the shooter of the GOP team volunteered for his campaign, Sanders condemned the violence immediately.

While the President has continually encouraged violence and disrespect of authority, Sen. Sanders has always promoted unity and peaceful protests. What US Rep. Rodney Davis conveniently forgets is Heather Heyer, the young woman killed by an alt-right Trump follower, was also a Bernie Sanders supporter. Again, Sanders spoke out against the violence immediately and forcefully, the President waited 5 hours before issuing a much criticized, fairly weak statement.

Annotator wrote on August 15, 2017 at 4:08 pm

"There is a huge difference between what happened with the alleged Bernie Sanders supporter who shot members of the GOP softball team and what happened in Charlottesville. Upon learning the shooter of the GOP team volunteered for his campaign, Sanders condemned the violence immediately."

POTUS condemned the violence the same day (Saturday).  Sanders condemned the violence the same day.  No difference.

"While the President has continually encouraged violence and disrespect of authority, Sen. Sanders has always promoted unity and peaceful protests. What US Rep. Rodney Davis conveniently forgets is Heather Heyer, the young woman killed by an alt-right Trump follower, was also a Bernie Sanders supporter. Again, Sanders spoke out against the violence immediately and forcefully, the President waited 5 hours before issuing a much criticized, fairly weak statement."

POTUS has always encouraged violence and disrespect of authority?  When, where?  Peaceful protests?  The alt-left was swinging weapons, and fighting, just the same as the alt-right in all of the news footage. 

Yes, it is a tragedy that Ms. Heyer was killed by a neo-Nazis.  None of the law enforcement agencies have linked the perpetrator to the POTUS as a supporter.  The only official statement was an admirer of Hitler. POTUS statement was criticized by the news media, and alt-left organizations, who have been apoplectic since the loss of their candidate for POTUS in 2016.

RatDog wrote on August 15, 2017 at 9:08 am

Rod: even if  you think Trump is not responsible for the rise in rightest extremism, you can't deny these creeps feel emboldened by Trump. Now why is that? Plenty of proof why is that, Rod.

Rodney Davis is merely a Trump Bot, just a yea vote for evil republican legislation. Can you republicans find a candidate with some original ideas, even if they are conservative ideas? Unseat "Bot" Rodney Davis 2018.

CallSaul wrote on August 15, 2017 at 4:08 pm

And of course Trump just doubled down on being a disgusting nazi loving klan supporter.

After he refused to condemn the nazis, KKk and terrorist for 2 days, he today calls these rallygoers 'good people.'

Does that include the Trump loving white supremacist nazi terrorist murderer?

This is what it feels like to live in an America with a nazi loving klan supporter as president...

 

CallSaul wrote on August 15, 2017 at 8:08 pm

So where does Rodney stand on Trump supporting and making excuses for the nazis, KKK and the murderous white supremacist terrorist?

Does Rodney agree that a bunch of them are 'good people'?

Where do you stand on that, Rodney...?

APC wrote on August 16, 2017 at 1:08 pm

Sorry - I was doing family things rather than banter with you about things you are so obviously bias about.  To equate a movement for equality with neo-nazis is off the chart dumb.  Again, slowly, so you can understand, BLM is not based on providing rights and a country to only one race.  It is against racism in the police, which has been adequately shown in numerous videos and reports and merely wants for the police to treat everyone equally.  Just because there are some who espouse violence is insufficient to deem them a hate group - and the equivalent of saying that there are "good" neo-nazis.

Simply NO. You are wrong. There is no moral equivalency here. If you cannot see that, and see the difference between individual actions and the desires and actions of the group itself, there is no point discussing this with you.

My family fought in WWII. He faced evil personally. The KKK, white supremisicists and neo-nazis are evil. The individuals who espouse this worldview are small.

Here is something to read to educate yourself:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/08/16/sorry-conse...

Again - back to the main point. Rod fully supports Trump. Trump is a disgrace, both as a president and more importantly, as a human. What does that say about Rod?

wykhb wrote on August 16, 2017 at 4:08 pm

I don't read the WAPO, I wouldn't even wipe my rear with Jeff Bezo's Democratic Party rag, might replace the ink with something far more intelligent.    If that's where your "news" comes from, we have arrived at the cause of disagreement; you only have one side of the story. 

The other person provided the proof for what you question, and you are still questioning it?   Maybe there is nothing further anyone can really do for you. 

I don't care for the KKK, antifa, BLM, Democrats or Republicans, and I don't care for people who treat politics like some combination of fantasy football and the coliseum.  It's mental illness on a ridiculous scale when people allow government to control and affect the lives of so called "free citizens" so constantly and negatively. 

And it's annoying to people who have to actually go to school, work, raise their children and pay their bills to have to listen to the ignorance and hatred produced by, and be attacked by; people that make their livings playing politics and advocating for more government money (to be spent on themselves). 

If an idiot like Donald Trump beat the best that both Democrats and Republicans had to offer, perhaps EVERYONE should wonder if maybe they aren't paying attention to the wrong things. 

Alex Goodlad wrote on August 16, 2017 at 6:08 pm

While Davis is correct that he didn't blame Sanders for the shooting, he blamed "the vitriolic rhetoric" coming from his general opposition in the district. Trump's rhetoric is way more hateful and vitriolic than his opposition's rhetoric period, and giving Trump a complete pass while implying his opposition's rhetoric leads to bullets on the ballfields--and using that as an excuse to inhibit our free speech rights on social media--is nothing short of hypocrisy.

Also Trump later says "some" of the Charlottesville protesters who were universally carrying torches and chanting "Jews can't replace us" were "very fine people".

Sid Saltfork wrote on August 17, 2017 at 2:08 pm

Does it matter who is democrat, or republican when racists wearing KKK, and Nazi outfits march?  Politics should have nothing to do with this defense of racism.  The poll on wheather the president was right in his appraisal of the incident showed 67% of republicans was in favor of the statements.  Trump gave his approval of the Nazis, KKK, and white supremists in his appraisal, and later boil down in Trump Tower's lobby.

The other side did have a group of protestors who were more than willing to battle with the Alt-Righters.  This was after the torch light march on Friday night.  Many of our fathers, and grandfathers fought a "good" war against facists countries who attacked our country.  Now, the facists are back in our own country.  They should be identified as a terrorist group.  Either stand up for the country, or make excuses for Nazis as our Trumpites politicians do. 

Rodney Davis takes money to advance the agenda of healthcare providers, and insurance companies.  He defends Trump even when Trump gives his tactive support to the Alt-Right.  Basically, Rodney is a puppet of others.  If Rodney is the face of republicans, the republican party is doomed in future national elections.  Run, and Hide Rodney is only saying what he is paid to say.

wykhb wrote on August 17, 2017 at 9:08 pm

Did the Associated Press, Huffington Post, and WAPO tell you that Sid, like they told you Hillary won the election?   LOL   

All that this open decay, violence, and contempt for societal norms and rule of law does is strengthen the resolve of actual working people to not allow children access to power again.  This country literally cannot afford more of the same after the damage done by the last two Presidents and their masters.  

I can't see a better example of government gone awry than when both parties became so drunk with power that they didn't even pretend to field a decent candidate, or try to hide the absurdities they were committing.  So America pretty much got exactly what both of their political party leaders caused. 

Too many people are missing the very clear message being sent.  Citizens are tired of more of the same failure, tired of the big money tightly controlled mass marketing game that politics has become.    Were I a prospective politician, I would print my stickers and posters early, spelling INDEPENDENT in large letters. 

WiltonDiary wrote on August 18, 2017 at 11:08 am

Obviously YOU are the one who needs a new source for your news.  Hillary won the popular vote and the RUSSIANS helped TRUMP cross the finish line in the Electorial College.

Say what you will about the last two US Presidents but it is TRUMP who is under Federal Investigation and if you have been paying attention TRUMP's time in office is limited.

CommonSenseless wrote on August 18, 2017 at 12:08 pm

So the Russians changed the electoral college votes now?  If you haven't notices, the wind has all but left that whole Russia sail.  Perhaps you can enlighten the group as to why you are still desperately holding on to this?

GeneralLeePeeved wrote on August 18, 2017 at 12:08 pm

What do you think Mueller is doing.....picking his nose?   Just because he doesn't tweet all of his thoughts to the world like the orange blow-hole, doesn't mean that he isn't doing or finding anything.   I'm sorry if your attention span isn't much more than a gerbil's.

wykhb wrote on August 18, 2017 at 2:08 pm

I promise to accept Muellers findings if it results in a conviction, if you will promise to accept them if they don't.  If you want to be the gerbil expert, no judgement. 

CallSaul wrote on August 18, 2017 at 1:08 pm

Oh, look who's decided to join our conversation...

While the story about goldfish having 3 second memories is apocryphal, it does seem to nicely describe many of the dimmer RWNj trolls...

Here's a hint, just because your dear nazi loving KKK supporting leader isn't frothing at the mouth about it on an hourly basis because he's too distracted defending white supremacists and racist neo confederate scum, doesn't mean the multiple investigations into the Trump crime family's collusion with Putin's Russia, along with their other assorted crimes, are not proceeding apace...

And now for something completely different: tick...tock...tick...tock...tick...

Sid Saltfork wrote on August 18, 2017 at 1:08 pm

No.  It is on the Congressional record regarding political donations to the individual Congress members.  Since you do not read the Associated Press, Huffington Post, and Washington Post, how do you know what is happening in the world?  Do you read the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, St. Louis Post, or Chicago Tribune?  What do you read, or do you read?

I blame both parties also.  I would like to see more parties representing valid issues.  However, your previous posts regarding Trump betrays what you are stating now.  Are you jumping ship like so many Trumpites now?

wykhb wrote on August 18, 2017 at 3:08 pm

Trump is the President, you are correct, I do not deny reality.  I will leave the daily melt downs over the guy to others though, thanks.   I admit that I like to reflect vitriol and watch nut jobs scream at the ugly in the mirror, it beats angry birds for mindless entertainment.  

My further history would show that I have been a centrist for decades, and that I dislike both parties pretty much equally, it's just a choice of lesser evils anymore.   But that's politics, the rest of this crap has no place in society. 

It's one thing to talk, argue and disagree, but when people start rioting, destroying property, and attacking people in the streets, that's a different door they are opening, they really should mind the growls from the other side of it.   

  Both parties deserve Trump, Hillary just wouldn't have been as interesting with more of the same old 30 years of experience do nothing except steal money plan.  James Webb would probably be President if the DNC hadn't become so blatantly corrupt.  Maybe Hillary would have made it if not for the DNC having less computer security than a public library computer.  

  NY Times, WSJ, Reuters.  I know the stats say that NYT leans far left, but at least the NYT is an independent that doesn't belong to Google and Bezos, and they haven't lost their minds completely over politics yet, in my opinion, because Trump actually does have allies in business and their hometown.  Plus I can make my own decisions about what is truth by actually researching the facts, more people should. 

   WSJ because because government doesn't actually make money, it just takes it.

Sid Saltfork wrote on August 19, 2017 at 2:08 pm

Libertarian, pessimist, or free thinker?

"Researching the facts" depends on what version of "the facts".  My "research" requires reading, and listening to various "fact" providers.  I cannot stand FOX News, but I listen to it to hear it's perspective.  The same applies to CNN.  I make up my mind after listening to various perspectives of "the facts".  My preference for "facts" is PBS, but I listen to the others also.  The media makes money on controversy.  It develops into political views as we see locally in print.  Fake news, and revisionist history destroy "facts".

wykhb wrote on August 20, 2017 at 1:08 am

I don't depend completely on the news to get information.  If I really care I can access any number of sources online, techology is wonderful.  I have access to extensive library resources and subscription services.  But much better than that is personal experience and common sense.   

I grew up in extreme poverty in inner cities. I remember the World Workers Party, which is who is sponsoring BLM and Antifa, in addition to Soros who is doing the same.    They actually paid myself and some friends to travel to places like Universities and Arenas during events to hand out flyers, short lived job since most people looked at us like something they stepped in.  That's how I figured out it wasn't for me, but hey, I was 13 and they paid in cash.  I guess they figured people were less likely to spit on children?    

They were socialist then but now they self identify as communists. They have been around officially since 1959.  These are the people that publicly state that the leaders of North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. are their heroes, and they want the same in the United States. 

Check them out Sid, very interesting read, especially the part where they encouraged and justified the major race riots in the 60's, these are not a sudden "patriotic" uprising of concerned citizens and it's not about Trump at all other than the fact that Dems are horrified that their sure thing got absolutely steamrolled, even though it was their own fault. 

This is what they do, they prey upon the young and poor, they convince them that they are "disenfranchised".  These are the people who pulled down the statue in Durham quite recently.  Like other radical anarchist groups in the past few years, they suddenly feel brave enough to come out of the dark because they have sponsors in high places.   But hey, Nazis, right?    Did you know that the Nazis held a rally on July 8 in Charlottesville also?  Same spot as this weeks rally.   But the only violence at that one resulted in the arrest of 20 counter protesters, that doesn't fit the script I guess.  

  BTW, what happened to the Russians?  I guess that wasn't panning out so the shift in attention had to happen to keep the hate and divisiveness alive.     Hey look, irrelevant mentally ill Nazis who have been around for well over 100 years that no one ever paid attention to before, let's give them the attention they always wanted and use it to create hate and divisiness to make the President look bad.  Never mind what it does to the country, that has NEVER been their concern. 

But the latest rally was widely touted in media, even the SPLC issued bulletins, same SPLC who stated that even Nazis should be afforded free speech.  The "counter protesters" (are you really a protester if you are paid, or an employee?) were bused in just as they have been in the past to Republican rallies, Trump rallies, Inaugration, the Women's March (organizer was a Palestinian terrorist who got deported afterward).    Antifa is designated a Terrorist organization by the Department of Homeland Security.      Did you see the tweets from antifa members griping at Soros to pay them more?   LOL

Did you know that Andrew Breitbart (yep) helped create Huffington Post?  The original I mean, when it was halfway decent.   Now it's just a paid hack piece that caters to lefty nut jobs, like WAPO, they don't even pretend to be unbiased.  Breitbart told us that Trump was not a Conservative back in 2011, but when Republicans became bad racist people, suddenly Breitbart was a racist right wing extremist.  LOL...     It's like a free circus with all the clowns you could ever want watching this crap.  

Sid Saltfork wrote on August 20, 2017 at 6:08 pm

So you went from socialist to facist with not alot of reading, or American history.  You decide based on your gut instinct, and Breibart blog regarding what is right.  I understand now.

wykhb wrote on August 20, 2017 at 10:08 pm

 I suspected as much, but gave fair opportunity.  Good day.  

CallSaul wrote on August 17, 2017 at 3:08 pm

And despite still refusing to to call the white supremacist terrorist attack in Charlottesville terrorism, our nazi loving KKK supporting current --- for now (tick...tock...tick...tock...tick...) --- president has very quickly called the attack in Barcelona terrorism.

This despite his lame lie that he still hasn't called the domestic terrorism what it is because he always has to wait until he has all the facts.

Of course, only the most self abasing rubes and lickspittles would claim to believe that gem...

But our short timer current president also followed up with the widely debunked lie about Pershing committing a war crime in the Philipines involving mass murder and pigs' blood.

Only the most self abasing rubes and lickspittles believe that myth as well, but I'm willing to bet that more than a few of our local rightwing reactionary Trump Republican lackeys fall into that category...

wykhb wrote on August 18, 2017 at 2:08 pm

Maybe when an American citizen who is accused is found guilty by a court of law your President can make a statement about it.   No one has decided that the constitution is racist and offensive....  Yet.  

Until then you will have to do your Walter Mitty style vigilante lynch dancing in the comments section of a newspaper with only an audience of rubes and lickspittles so you can feel superior to everyone else.  

Did you learn your ideas at your antifa meetings, after your how to be a coward lessons, or did wearing a tin foil hood concentrate the obviously genius power of your mind enough for a more than one syllable breakthrough moment?   Trr..  Trrr..Trruu..  Trruuu... Truuummm..Puh..  Trumpuh.. 

Kind of meshes with your anti-police and racist/sexist views, I think it's safe to say that this USA thing just isn't your cup of tea.  I hear Canada is a regular paradise for your kind, except for that pesky border, they actually are a nation of laws and they mean it.  Run Squealer, run before Napoleon finds out.... tick tock.. tick tock.. tick tock.. 

 

CallSaul wrote on August 18, 2017 at 2:08 pm

Hahahahahaha!!!11!!!11!1!!1

The trolls are losing it and are more unhinged and incoherent that usual.

And of course ---- surprising absolutley no one --- the troll refuses to condemn the Trump loving white supremacist nazi terrorist murderer of a peaceful protestor because she dared to disagree with his racism, anti semitism and hatred. 

Cribbing half their comments from me is a form of flattery I suppose, but they always make such a hash of it.

Have you even seen Walter Mitty? I haven't seen the remake but the Danny Kaye/Virginia Mayo is great...

Feeling like your world is crumbling down around you, huh...?

Check out some kittens online then go out for a good old fashioned Bloom County style dandelion break.

Oh yah. Don't worry too much --- it'll all be over soon: tick...tock...tick...tock...tick...

wykhb wrote on August 18, 2017 at 3:08 pm

Sure Saul, the constitution and law are unhinged and incoherent.  Forgive me, I don't believe that lynching anyone is going to resolve your problems, as racist sexist KKK trumpateer and troll as that may be.  

There,  I saved you the time of replying by filling in your only possible generic spiel answers, call it flattery if it helps calm you. 

And of course, surprising no one, your attempts at bullying are sad, hilarious, and disturbing at once as usual.  You should bag your nonsense and sell it as organic fertilizer to the rubes from bloom county that feed you.   But that smell.... 

I can see how hollywood is the main source of reality in your life, makes sense.  

Have you tried clicking your heels together? 

CallSaul wrote on August 18, 2017 at 4:08 pm

Lynching...?

Bullying...?

When? Where?

Reactionary RWNJ trolls are such delicate little flowers and tender snowflakes.

You say the most horrible vile things about people you disagree with and yet, the second anyone anyone expresses a differing opinion, you all melt into quivering puddles of quaking rightwing troll goo...

Disagreeing with you is very much not bullying you...

Calling a rightwing whiite supremacist terrorist a murdering terrorist is very much not lynching the murderous nazi scum...

And again, absolutely no one is surprised that you show such tender regard for the reputation of the murdering Trump loving white supremacist terrorist --- it's to be expected...

And remember, it's the lickspittle Trump lovers who are the willing and eager heelckickers...

wykhb wrote on August 18, 2017 at 5:08 pm

Trump will not condemn hate groups, but he did.  Trump will not condemn the suspect specifically as a murderer, but he did.  It's not simple contradiction, so it must be hypocrisy.

Semantical games and deflection tactics, do you want to debate what the meaning of the word "is" is, Saul?  I think it's just your modus operandi to be so annoying that people simply abandon you in disgust.  It's easy to see that it's a defense mechanism. 

You profess to hate the lickspittle rube nazi President, yet you grovel and whimper endlessly for him to give you more, more, MORE!  Tick Tock Tick Tock, I hate you, give me MORE of what I hate!!   Really? 

Sure, I write horrible vile things, and you repeat them to others as your own ideas, you are welcome.   

I said attempted bullying, so you can read, just not well.  The idea that you could literally bully someone over the age of 3 simply defies ALL belief.  

Insert drivel below, I have actual friends to catch up with.  Ta Ta to you my institutionalized pen pal. TGIF, try to take a break, or is that frowned upon at the DNC plantation...

CallSaul wrote on August 18, 2017 at 6:08 pm

Trump looked like he was in a hostage video when he glumly read through gritted teath someone else's words from a teleprompter Monday.

Then on Tuesday he was speaking his true mind off script when he said the anti nazi/KKK/white supremacist protesters were just as bad as the nazis, KKK and white supremacists.

It's obvious he probably thinks the protesters are worse...

And he loves the 'beautiful' statues and monuments to slavery defending loser traitors set up long after the secession to defend slavery as a way to stick it to African Americans and reinforce Jim Crow and disenfranchisement.

Much as the KKK loving Trump has set up a commision to try to institionalize just such disenfranchisement again today...

It's not surprising that you're unable to explain how I supposedly somehow lynched the white supremacist nazi terrorist, just like you're unable to explain how I supposedly somehow 'attempted to' bully you by daring to disagree you.

Instead you're left with only your usual weird attempts at caricature and insult...

STM wrote on August 18, 2017 at 5:08 pm

Just a note to all you Trump apologists, Rodney-fans, and un-informed right-wingers:  I had to look up the "Antifa" you guys prattle about.  Turns out it's an anti-fascism group. You want to know another anti-fascism group?  How about the "Greatest Generation?"  Yeah those guys and gals who fought Hitler and Mussolini.

Shut off talk radio and read a book sometime.  Davis, by extension, is enabling these hate groups.  Trump/Davis supporters are too. Just a quick reminder for you guys:

Fascism = bad

White nationalism/Klan = bad

Nazis = bad

Fascist Nazi Klansman terrorist who drives a car through a crowd = bad

These concepts are not difficult to grasp, if you're rational.

wykhb wrote on August 18, 2017 at 6:08 pm

Oh  you read a webpage and it told you all that?   

Antifa has been labeled as a Terrorist Organization by the Department of Homeland Security, are you sure you want to support that? 

My forefathers who fought for this country including in WWII never wore masks and violently attacked lawful protestors or lawful speakers in their own country or destroyed private American property, that's actually what REAL Nazi's were doing in Germany which caused them to get rolled over.  Take note how fast it went south for them.   Won't take one third as much effort next time if there's no ocean or travel involved.   

I too have served overseas in places where there are actual terrorists who would skin your antifa children alive, and I stand still ready, should it go there, to defend my country against enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC.  Just like my forefathers did, you feel me rebel?     

To reassure you, there will not be any discussion of erecting antifa statues when it's all over, not enough will be left to care about reconciliation, so it will never be an issue 155 years later, because in the military we do study and learn from history.  

  Just like the Police you hate so much until you need them to save you, you are trying to hide behind Veterans who are now gone to justify this overthrow the government socialist trash.  Wrong move because they have been replaced, you will not win.  

STM wrote on August 18, 2017 at 8:08 pm

I never said I hated police. Typical hater.

My father fought in world war two. I know what he fought and for whom. I do not fear foreign terrorists. We have our own to deal with and they're not the anti-fascists, nor islamic.  The extreme right is where the vast majority of the violence occurs in this country. The masked anti-fascists you refer to could have been anyone, including provocateurs.  You think klansmen and nazis don't wear masks? Duh.

To use your own lingo, you guys are just a bunch of thin skinned "snowflakes." You're afraid of everything. Your guys can't have a march without open-carry.

I still assert you're uninformed and hateful and stand by my comments.  I don't care whether you're in the military or just making it up. You're on the wrong side of history and dignity and you defend the indefensible.

And really, who gives a damn about erecting statues.  Those statues didn't help the confederacy win anything. Losers.

 

The Gipper wrote on August 19, 2017 at 9:08 am

Islamic terrorists are not a domestic problem? It's nice living in a snowflake world, isn't it?

Of course, no mention of the antifa being a terrorist group. Who else have we seen wearing masks? How about the rag head islamists of ISIS, and especially the ones in the beheading videos.

Prior comment about all the violence coming from the right-what a load of crap.

Seems these people don't want us to remember Ferguson, Baltimore, Berkeley, etc.

CallSaul wrote on August 19, 2017 at 10:08 am

The other commenter never said the right was responsible for all the violence --- why do you claim they said something we all can see they did not say...?

BLM is not a violent organization and certainly not a terrorist organization.

But you'll need to look beyond Fox.Brietbart/Limbaugh/Alex Jones to understand that of course...

In Ferguson, a cop killed an unarmed kid and then they had a cop riot.

In Baltimore the people responded to the torture and murder of a suspect, on top of a long hisotry of continuing police abuse. 

And some antifa destroyed some property in Berkely --- but your comment in this larger conversation seems to equate that with nazis and KKK in torchlit parades shouting 'Jews will not replace us,' viciously beating counter protestors and then a nazi white supremacist terrorist actually murdering a counter protestor.

Do you actually believe these are really on the same level?

No decent person can believe that.

No decent person can believe anti nazi/KKK/white supremacists protestors are as bad as --- or even worse than --- actual nazis, KKK and white supremacists.

But that is what Trump says and so now it's what his lackeys enthusiasticlly say.

Trump says there were a lot of 'very fine people' in that torchlit parade shouting 'Jews will not replace us.' He called that march peaceful and said the marchers were being respectful.

And so now you do too?

Congrats...you must be very proud. If you have any relatives who fought actual nazis, I'm sure they're very proud of you too...

The Gipper wrote on August 19, 2017 at 8:08 pm

BLM is not violent?  Wow! News gets pretty filtered on its way to your mother's basement.

You sum up Ferguson by saying a cop shot an unarmed kid? You mean the one that was going inside the car after the cop's gun? Pretty convenient when you leave out the facts, isn't it?

Baltimore was murder, but yet multiple juries have found otherwise. Do you know something they don't?

KKK beat the counter protesters?  It was  the antifa that showed up wearing masks, wielding clubs, and beating others, pretty much what they've done elsewhere. The just "destroyed some property" in Berkeley? So they could burn down an entire town, but as long as it is just some property it is OK?

No decent person can believe that BLM is not violent and/or advocate violence. And who had them over to the White House for a visit? None other than your hero, Barack Hussein Obama. Yet we hear nothing about that. You can claim all you want that they are not violent, but every time someone proves to you otherwise, you simply ignore it and prattle on.

Isn't your mommy calling you for supper?

CallSaul wrote on August 19, 2017 at 9:08 pm

Please get better at insults --- yours are just embarrassingly pathetic...

Instead of screeching more about it, why don't you provide actual evidence that BLM is a violent organization? The answer is because you can't of course...

I left out the rightwing lie. Lies are not facts...

and juries never let guily cops --- or RWNJ vigilante goons --- off the hook for murder, right...?

Yes, the KKK and nazis you're so eager to defend beat up innocent people in addition to murdering on in a terrorist attack. See here: http://www.essence.com/news/twenty-year-old-beat-white-supremacists-speaks-out-may-press-charges

And here: https://www.vox.com/2017/8/12/16138246/charlottesville-nazi-rally-right-uva

And, maybe you should crawl out from under your rock --- 'the entire town' of Berkely has not, despite what FOX/Brietbart/Trump tell you, has not been 'burnt down.' 

It really hasn't...

How about giving some actual proof rather than spittle flecked rants about BLM...?

And it's certainly fitting that you use Obama's middle name, no doubt as an indictment in your addled mind. I bet you're a birther, arent' you...?

Kathleen wrote on August 20, 2017 at 12:08 pm

Dear Rodney Davis,

Despite his racist comments, evasions, actions and lack of actions, it has been possible, nonetheless, for Donald Trump supporters to claim he is not a racist.

Up until Charlottesville.

When Trump made multiple statements defending instead of denouncing racist white nationalists, neo-Nazis, and others. Statements embraced by alt-rt Daily Stormer, among others. “He didn’t attack us [August 12]. Refused to answer a question about White Nationalists supporting him. No condemnation at all. When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.” https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/opinion/trump-charlottesville-hate-stormer.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

Now, Charlottesville has forced people to get off the fence. Now, people all across the political spectrum – not only Democrats and liberals, but Republicans (including Ryan, McConnell, Cruz, Rubio, Romney), business leaders, former backers (Julius Krein) – have come out and denounced Trump’s racist comments for what they are. (Krein: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opinion/sunday/i-voted-for-trump-and-i-sorely-regret-it.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0)

Charlottesville is a defining moment. If you continue to support Trump, then you are racist. This is not to say all Republicans or conservatives are racist (or that there are no racists among Democrats or liberals). But if you continue to support Trump’s explicitly racist comments after Charlottesville, then you, too, are racist.

Where do you stand Rodney Davis? As our 13th congressional district representative, how have you demonstrated your leadership?

So far, you have pronounced weasel words. Kasich: “U.S. Rep. Rodney Davis said Monday that he doesn't blame President Trump for the violence Saturday at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesvile, Va., but that he thinks the president should have been more assertive in condemning it.”

Davis: "I think the president was pretty clear in his full statement but Monday morning quarterbacking, could he have said more? Sure, and I think he is. And I think he has,"

And you have tried to weasel out of it. Bringing up yet again your brush with the Bernie Sanders supporter who shot Rep. Steve Scalise. Which is an inaccurate, false, apples-and-oranges analogy that misrepresents the situation. Even so, Bernie Sanders denounced that shooting. Quickly. Forcefully.

You need to take a stand, Rodney Davis, a real stand. You need to denounce Trump’s overt racism, clearly and unequivocally. Unless, of course, you agree with Trump, as many in your district do.

Rodney Davis, what do you see when you look in the mirror? So far at least, nothing.

Because there is nothing there.

--David Prochaska