'It's time to rip the Band-Aid off'

'It's time to rip the Band-Aid off'

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URBANA — The student government at the University of Illinois is pushing the school to remove all remaining Chief Illiniwek images from campus.

Student-body President Raneem Shamseldin and other students planned to meet today with Chancellor Robert Jones to discuss the resolution, which could also surface as a proposal in the campus Academic Senate.

Approved last week, the resolution calls on the campus to remove all Chief logos and related imagery in UI buildings, "especially employee work spaces," and prohibit their use moving forward.

The resolution cites the UI's 2007 agreement with the NCAA to stop the use of Chief Illiniwek and related Native American imagery in connection with UI athletics.

It asserts that the logo is offensive to many students, runs counter to the UI's value of inclusion and violates various non-discrimination laws.

UI employees represent the institution and "should not display the Chief Illiniwek logo or related imagery in the course of performing their duties as employees," the resolution states.

Student government Vice President Joey Domanski said students have received photos of Chief logos around campus, including one in a plumbing work area and another in the carpet of the film room at Memorial Stadium. Campus spokeswoman Robin Kaler said the Chief carpet has been removed, and there are no other Chief images inside the stadium other than historical items.

Domanski said the resolution was introduced late last semester after the homecoming parade, where the student government led a large protest of the Honor the Chief entry, which included a Chief portrayer.

Jones told a faculty group on Monday that the university does not allow any official use of the Chief Illiniwek logo and imagery in the operation of its facilities.

"We don't condone it. We know it happens," he said. "You walk around campus, and you can see it."

He said the campus is reaching out to department heads and other units to make clear what the UI's policies are, and "what can and cannot be displayed" in public areas within departments and academic support units. He said there's little the campus can do about what people may display in their private offices.

"We're not asking or suggesting that anyone give up his or her rights to free speech and expression," Jones said. "We just have to remind everyone in our campus community to really consider the impact of their actions. It might be something they think is OK or comfortable with ... but the process of exercising that right may be very offensive to others."

Jones said he is still planning to include the issue of Native American imagery in a series of "critical conversations" on campus that will start later this spring. The first will be on free speech.

He believes the best way to resolve the lingering controversy of the Chief — which was officially retired as the UI's symbol 11 years ago — is to "find some common voice and common perspective about how do you move ahead for the benefit of the university," he said.

"People on both sides feel misunderstood; they feel disrespected," he said. "We cannot just continue talking past each other and yelling about this issue."

Domanski noted that the Chief was first protested in 1989, "six years before I was born," and retired more than a decade ago.

"We're done having conversations. We've had the conversation. It's time to take action," he told The News-Gazette. "We just think it's time to rip the Band-Aid off."

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Notsoaveragejoe wrote on January 30, 2018 at 9:01 am

Liberal fascism at its finest. The university has a similar policy about not including political images within workspaces. Of course, nobody objected to Obama's mug and I'm sure that pictures of Hilary (sans prison jumpsuit) would have been equally embraced and celebrated. If one put a picture of Trump or MAGA up in their space, I can only imagine a campuswide email from the brass assuring us that counselors are available and that hate won't be tolerated. The Chief is just one more example of the university circus of everyone's offended and everyone demands something. I'm sure these "critical conversations" will do so much good and end the issue once and for all.  

 

CallSaul wrote on January 30, 2018 at 11:01 am

Anyone using the ridiculous and historically ignorant phrase 'liberal fascism' proves they have no understanding of either liberalism or fascism...

And do you have any actual evidence of your delusional strawman argument about Clinton and Trump gear? Of course not because you made it up out of whole cloth...after binge watching Hannity probably...

Just as Cleveland is finally getting rid of the old racist 'chief wahoo' logo, Illinois' moldy old racsit ex mascot will never be the school's mascot again.

Not ever.

That some people decide to cling so adamantly to that racist old mascot is sad, but hardly surprising...

Notsoaveragejoe wrote on January 30, 2018 at 11:01 am

The Chief is an example of a start point of a larger continuum. If their wish is granted, it's possible that some will progress to statues, historical sites, buildings named after individuals and families that no doubt have "racist ties", etc. The snowflake syndrome is only allowed to exist because administrations cater and send a message that this behavior is okay. There is a professor (Shreen Gandhi) at MSU making an argument that yoga reinforces white supremacy. There are allegations that math is racist. Where does it end? At what point do these overpaid administrators use their muscle and shut these snowflakes down. Academic freedom is one thing and total lunacy and liberal indoctrination is something else altogether.

And Saul, you really need to use better judgment than to follow people into public restrooms and film them. 

CallSaul wrote on January 30, 2018 at 12:01 pm

What a weird personal attack to close with...really, very odd of you...

But don't worry. None of our vigilant self appointed comment cops will criticize your breech of decorum, just like they won't criticize 'gipper' below.

They of course only wring their hands and scold when someone dares to say something they disagree with so they'll be silent about both of your comments.

It's really only you rightwing reactionary snowflakes who get the vapors when we finally tear down statues to old racist treasonous losers or remove names of other old dead racists and bigots from buildings...

Why can't you just accept that most people don't want to continue honoring racists and traitors...?

Notsoaveragejoe wrote on January 30, 2018 at 2:01 pm

Not a personal attack. Don't lose your sense of humor Saul or we're all doomed. I actually enjoy your posts and throwing the football back and forth with you. Of course, at my football game there is also a Chief dancing. 

CallSaul wrote on January 31, 2018 at 12:01 pm

Kind of a weird way to try to walk back a weird personall attack, but okay...

MasterOfTheObvious wrote on February 01, 2018 at 11:02 am

The biggest issue is that members of DIA are literally ushering in the Chief portrayer, and allowing his costume to come in through private entrances into the State Farm Center and Memorial Stadium.  He DOES NOT PASS THROUGH SECURITY like the other patrons, so DIA is truly aiding and abetting this Student in the circumvention of the NCAA Agreement.

Historical Images are still offensive to the offended parties.  Without Chief John Froman of the Peoria Tribe giving permission, ALL images, 100%, should be removed from campus.

To get said permission, you can call Chief Froman, as his office number is 918-540-2538.

MasterOfTheObvious wrote on February 01, 2018 at 11:02 am

The biggest issue is that members of DIA are literally ushering in the Chief portrayer, and allowing his costume to come in through private entrances into the State Farm Center and Memorial Stadium.  He DOES NOT PASS THROUGH SECURITY like the other patrons, so DIA is truly aiding and abetting this Student in the circumvention of the NCAA Agreement.

Historical Images are still offensive to the offended parties.  Without Chief John Froman of the Peoria Tribe giving permission, ALL images, 100%, should be removed from campus.

Go get the OK from Chief Froman at 918-540-2538 and then we can talk.

UIUCHoopFan wrote on January 30, 2018 at 9:01 am

Aren't "Private Offices" still the property of UIUC?  Why would those areas be treated any differently?  If those with more public areas cannot display anything with pertaining to Chief Illiniwek why should those with private offices on UIUC grounds be allowed to do so?  Once again a double standard.

Get your act together, University of Illinois Ivory Towers!

Chief for all or none. 

Video recording in public restrooms for all or none. 

What next on the list?  I wonder!

CommonSenseless wrote on January 30, 2018 at 10:01 am

One could also say: Rip the band-aid off and bring back the Chief.  It's time the majority got what it wants.  It's time for those with extra sensitivities to bury their feelings (like an adult) and stop being annoying.

Illiniwek222 wrote on January 31, 2018 at 11:01 am

What a rational comment. Surprised no immediate reply from the usual irrational commenter.

CU_townie_2_time_UI_grad wrote on January 30, 2018 at 10:01 am

If the student body wants further steps taken, then further steps should be taken. I put way more stock into their wishes on this matter than I do the right-wing local bumpkin set. Let the bumpkins (a great deal of whom never even went to the U of I) build their Chief shrines in their homes and keep it out of campus spaces.

 

loopillini wrote on January 30, 2018 at 12:01 pm

So you feel we should poll the entire student body to see what direction we go on this issue? What happens if the majority come back saying they want Chief Illiniwek as the official symbol? Will they get overruled?

Further, why should this particular student body get to make this decision for all? Should we vote every semester on this so no one feels excluded or 'marginalized' by the decision? I am sure in this inclusive, touchy-feely, everyone gets a trophy world the social justice warriors are creating some little student of the future will feel sad by the choice for some ridiculous reason and we will start all over. Let the tears of "unsafeness" start flowing.

I am sure I will be taken to task and called all sorts of names for raising questions and expressing opinion, but remember, you threw the opening salvo by using the phrase "right-wing local bumpkin set". I will say that, as for me, you actually were half correct...I proudly wear the "right-wing" label, but live in Chicago, so I wouldn't consider myself local. In addition, I have two degrees from UIUC so I also do not consider myself a "bumpkin", but you can think what you please about me because, unlike you, I am not trying to control your thoughts, feelings and expressions.

CU_townie_2_time_UI_grad wrote on January 30, 2018 at 1:01 pm

First, we dont need poll the entire student body about anything, as they have a representative government. If they don't like said governments stance on an issue, then they can elect different representatives. Second, the chief will never be the mascot again, so polling about the chief as the official symbol is a silly proposition as we have thankfully officially moved past that racist chapter.  What is at issue here is compliance with a decision that has already been made as it relates to public spaces.  I fully support anyone's right to don and adorn their own private spaces with all the chief regalia their little hearts desire.

Your second paragraph doesn't have any substance and isn't worth addressing.

Third paragraph......ok? Good for you. No one is trying to control your thoughts, you can think the Chief is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I don't understand the right-wing obsession with this trope about Orwellianism and thought control. This isn't about controlling thoughts, it's about keeping racist imagery out of public spaces. 

 

Illiniwek222 wrote on January 30, 2018 at 4:01 pm

The last time a poll was conducted of the students a few years ago, but well after the Chief was "retired", an overwheming majority of those who voted, voted for the Chief's re-instatement. I have no doubt the result would be the same today.

BruckJr wrote on January 30, 2018 at 4:01 pm
Illiniwek222 wrote on January 31, 2018 at 9:01 am

Wow! Over 13,000 students voted with 69% in favor of Chief Illiniwek.

I'd like to know how many students voted in the election that swept in Raneem and Joey.

Illiniwek222 wrote on January 31, 2018 at 10:01 am

Well, I found the answer from an April 16, 2017 article in the Daily Illini. 4630 students voted in the ISG election with Raneem and Joey receiving 2638 votes.

The student population at UIUC in the fall of 2017 was 47,826. That means Raneem and Joey were supported by less than 6% of the students. Quite a mandate..

The Gipper wrote on January 30, 2018 at 11:01 am

Whiny-ass little snowflakes might just melt if they see something that (they think) offends them. OH MY WORD! How will they cope when they get out in the real world and see what life is really like?  Who will wipe their noses and asses then? Or will they just stay in their mommies basement unemployed with a keyboard, like someone we all know?

CallSaul wrote on January 30, 2018 at 11:01 am

Of course you support the old racist chicken feather 'chief' ex mascot...

Hey, are you nexy going to deliver another pathetic and delusional racist rant about how '...the worst drivers by far in the area are the Chinese...'?

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2017-12-05/urbana-council-discuss...

 

TomSollenbarger wrote on January 30, 2018 at 12:01 pm

Implying the writer is a racist indicates you demean him because you disagree with him. Your misuse of racism  indicates you do NOT have a clue as to what racism realy is is other than an over used, convenient slur than used to do one thing and one thing only - attempt to shut down free speech.

CallSaul wrote on January 30, 2018 at 12:01 pm

Wrong. He --- of his own free will --- made a disgusting and obviously racist comment and I quoted it accurately and also provided a link.

But you are seriously going to argue that the comment isn't racist...?

That's my point. You 'chief' supporters insist that the old racist mascot isn't in fact racist and you at the same time either make excuses for or explicitly make baldly racist assertions.

Your assessment of what is and what is not racist is clearly out of touch with reality...

Criticisizing disgusting racism and bigotry is in no way shutting down anyone's free speech. 

Why do racist and bigots believe that free speech somehow means that no one is allowed to criticize or even acknowledge their disgusting racism and bigotry...?

That's not how it works, snowflake...

CallSaul wrote on January 30, 2018 at 11:01 am

duplicate

TomSollenbarger wrote on January 30, 2018 at 12:01 pm

As a 1963 U of I graduate of the once dynamic institution of learning and free and open debate, absurd, baseless and offensive to many  political correctness is now cancer at my once venerable univesity.  This university's administration supported Anti-Chief crusade is one example of the insane direction of Orwellian 1984 RIGHT THINK the school now embarces. God help the curent students who are stupid enough to swallow the dangerous and hollow PC fad that now permeates the campus when they adventure into the real world where there are no convenient safe places.

CallSaul wrote on January 30, 2018 at 12:01 pm

Seriously, it's been over a decade now --- when are you snowflakes going to accept that the moldy old racist chicken feather 'chief' ex mascot will never be the school's mascot again...?

CU_townie_2_time_UI_grad wrote on January 30, 2018 at 12:01 pm

The News Gazette comment section: replete with dueling banjos and toothless cretins. "CHIEEEEEEEEEFFFFFF!!!!!!"

You all lost. Move on. 

BART15 wrote on January 30, 2018 at 1:01 pm

Just think where we're at today. If you don't agree 100% with the Liberal Progressive Socialist agenda then you are labeled a racist and bigot. Tragic.

Notsoaveragejoe wrote on January 30, 2018 at 2:01 pm

I heard a noteworthy comment recently while watching a documentary. A man was asked, "what is a racist?" His response, "Anyone winning a debate with a liberal"

CallSaul wrote on January 30, 2018 at 2:01 pm

Nope --- that's not actually where we're at...

What you're complaining about is the fact that fewer people are willing to remain silent in the face of pathetic racism like the bigoted comment about 'Chinese drivers' and most people reject the racist old ex mascots and logos like our ex mascot or the 'chief wahoo' logo.

There's nothing inherently liberal, progressive or socialist about any of that.

Rightwingers, conservative or whatever you want to call yourself could just as easily decide to reject racism and even embrace anti racism...

...but we all know that's not where you're at...

Instead, racist rightwing snowflakes curl up in balls whenever anyone dares to criticize or even acknowledge an example of racism or bigotry, insisting that accurately labeling or even just recognizing racism and bigotry are orders of magnitude worse than actual racism and bigotry.

Wisconsinite26 wrote on January 30, 2018 at 3:01 pm

If the goal is to really "rip the band-aid off" then why not go all in and just change the team name, and be done with it? Become the Illinois Prairie Hawks or Red-tailed Hawks get a cutesy bird mascot and move forward. Have the Fighting Illini be one chapter of the school's history and start a new one. Does anyone remember the Marquette Warriors? Or the Saltine Warrior at Syracuse? Or the Stanford Indian? Or St. John's Redmen? Or Miami (OH) Redskins? No, because they changed their names and/or got rid of the imagery and moved on. 

I'll be the first to admit that I didn't grow up near Chamapign. I don't have any deep rooted memories tied to my childhood or family traditions, but I'm so tired of seeing this every 3 months and being forced into conversations by co-workers asking my take on it. I understand that the Fighting Illini name doens't have any direct Native American ties, but as long as that name is on the school people will see the old mascot/logo in their head.

Kylo Ren said it best. "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

 

 

Lostinspace wrote on January 30, 2018 at 4:01 pm

I can’t believe that anyone older than twelve still gets worked up over a make-believe Indian. 

tellingthetruth wrote on January 30, 2018 at 4:01 pm

{applause}  THANK YOU!!! About time someone said it.  Good grief!

Lostinspace wrote on January 30, 2018 at 5:01 pm

You are welcome. On the other hand, I’m not a fan of concussionball.

Ken M wrote on January 30, 2018 at 6:01 pm

I, for one, am extremely happy with the Capital I's.  It's such a fitting tribute to our state's rich history with the alphabet.

Huh wrote on January 30, 2018 at 8:01 pm

I'd be happy calling them the capital "IOU's". It's a better tribute for our state's dire financial situation.

Instead of the "Block I", we could call them the "Stack of IOU's" It's a mascot that speaks of our In-Your-Face budget process, and can help prepare State of Illinois workers for their eventual retirement package. The Stack of IOU's would be feared by all, and it is Illinois' legacy.

mcdchi wrote on January 31, 2018 at 7:01 am

Truly sad disrespect for the deepest tradition of our institution. Very concerned  that a symbol of reverence will be erased from history of the University of Illinois. I am a very sad alumnus.