'War chant' decision in works for more than a year

'War chant' decision in works for more than a year

Kent Brown touched on the 'war chant' during a Saturday morning appearance on WDWS 1400-AM. Listen to the podcast here

CHAMPAIGN — The “war chant” music, a fixture at Illini games that also drew criticism for stereotyping Native Americans, will no longer be played during University of Illinois sporting events.

UI athletics spokesman Kent Brown confirmed the decision Friday after several UI students said they were told to stop playing the chant at Thursday’s Illini soccer match by a representative of the Division of Intercollegiate Athletics.

“Midway through the first period, a DIA rep came over to tell us it was no longer allowed,” said Sam LeRoy, a member of the Illini Pride’s “Hotshots” soccer fan support group. He said they were playing the drum during a corner kick, as they had many times before.

“We were blind-sided,” LeRoy said.

Athletic officials hadn’t publicized the decision, which apparently has been in the works for a year or more.

During an appearance on WDWS radio Friday, Brown said the chant — played for years at Memorial Stadium when football opponents face third-down situations — was not getting the response from fans that the video board does.
“We’ve used it less and less,” he said.

And it has been a point of concern for campus administrators for years, he said, going back “multiple administrations.”

“If it is a sensitive issue with some of the people on campus and our fans, we want to be inclusive for everyone,” Brown said. “The decision was made that this was a good time to retire it.”

It’s the latest step by the school to eliminate or reduce the use of Native American imagery by the athletic department.

In 2007, the school retired Chief Illiniwek, a controversial symbol portrayed by students who danced during halftime of football and basketball games.

Brown says the popular “Three In One” music will not be affected by this decision. The medley, which once bracketed the Chief’s performance, is still played at halftime.

“Right now, there’s absolutely no plans to make any changes with the ‘Three in One.’ We expect that to continue as it has since the early 1900s,” Brown said, adding that Athletic Director Josh Whitman has been clear on that point.

And Brown said officials can’t stop fans from doing the war chant on their own because it is a free speech issue.

Brown said the school hadn’t planned to announce the change, saying the chant was no longer “a huge part of our football game day environment.”

“I don’t know that we quite expected to have it come from the soccer game. It probably could have been handled in a different manner last night,” he said Friday.

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The de facto announcement clearly caught some upper-level UI administrators by surprise. Speaking after a meeting with faculty in Urbana on Friday, UI President Tim Killeen said he “wasn’t in that loop.”

“There’s been discussions about elements of that, and of course, that’s a controversy that dates way back,” he said.

Executive Vice President Barbara Wilson said she knew the athletic department might phase out the chant but wasn’t involved in the decision to do it this fall. Wilson hired Whitman as AD when she served as interim chancellor in 2015-16.

“I was involved in discussions two years ago about that,” she said.

Chancellor Robert Jones could not be reached for comment Friday. Whitman was traveling to Montana for the UI volleyball match and unavailable, Brown said.

Wilson said she didn’t know if there might be other changes down the road.

“I think it’s really important to have all groups talk together. I know that there are perspectives all across the board, and Josh is really good at thinking through those issues. And he’ll be working with the chancellor on them,” Wilson said.

Brown said the decision was a “collaborative” one between campus administration, athletics and the Marching Illini.

“There’s a lot of people who talked about it,” he said.

Marching Illini Director Barry Houser did not respond to requests for comment, though Brown said Houser was involved in the decision and supported it.

LeRoy, who is also a student senator, said he was disappointed, “more because of the process, or lack of process, rather than the decision itself.”

While the campus senate has discussed the Chief extensively, and the topic of Native American imagery overall, Jones and other administrators had not broached the idea of dropping the war chant, he said.

“We were kind of caught off-guard,” said Ross Drucker, president of Illini Pride. “If we would have known, we wouldn’t have been doing anything at the soccer game last night. It’s a little bit shocking to me that we weren’t consulted on the decision.”

Drucker said Illini Pride is staying neutral and remains “fully committed to supporting Fighting Illini athletics,” he said.

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The decision quickly drew fire from Illini supporters on social media and on the airwaves, with some fans threatening to boycott Illini games.

But even some sports bloggers supported it, and some students said perhaps it’s time to “rip everything off” even remotely associated with the Chief rather than keep “picking at the scab,” LeRoy said.

“If you were supporting the University of Illinois only because of a song, that’s really shallow,” LeRoy said.

Some longtime Chief opponents welcomed the news.

“Finally. Chipping away at the racial bigotry that has long been part of Illinois athletics,” tweeted UI Professor Jay Rosenstein, who produced the “In Whose Honor?” movie about the campaign to retire the Chief. Rosenstein said the song is “phony Indian music.”

Professor emeritus Stephen Kaufman called it a “small but welcome step.” Continuing to play the Chief’s dance music and encouraging the crowd to yell “Chief!” violates the NCAA policies that led to the Chief’s retirement, he argued.

“Unless Chancellor Jones and President Killeen translate the laudable words proffered in their recent massmails on racism into concrete actions, actions that include the cessation of playing the chief’s dance music and university support for the appearances of Chief Illiniwek, all those good words will continue to be regarded as just more hypocrisy,” he said.

Illini Pride members agreed that the chant wasn’t always used effectively at football games.

The students said they hope the campus can find a replacement that will energize fans but also be something that emerges out of the Illini tradition.

“There’s a diminishing amount of the game-day atmosphere that is uniquely Illinois and uniquely Fighting Illini. Other schools have a lot of songs, traditions that are unique to their school. They rely on their band a lot. They don’t use a lot of piped-in music,” LeRoy said.

Brown said the school is still deciding how to replace the chant at football, soccer, volleyball and basketball games. He said Houser and the Marching Illini are “very, very creative, very supportive and enthusiastic.”

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cjw61822@hotmail.com wrote on August 25, 2017 at 10:08 am

Charleen Teeters and Nancy Cantor are dancing in the street.  I have always been told that tis is a music class and it is for a grade.  Can the esteemed faculty at the U of I tell professors what books they can use to teach?

 

Under the logic of liberals............

 

If the US does not enter WW1, then Germany could have gotten a better peace deal.  They did not and as a result WW2 started.   Now,........ since the term fighting Illni honors the men and women who went to Europe to fight a war that started a greater conflict  years later, should we not then, elimanate the words fighting illini as it glorifies war?

 

In the mean time, what other songs can the band not play.  You have truly entered a very slippery sloap here. 

 

But welcome the University of Illinois Flying Squirrels to Memorial stadium.

 

This racist song, according to this Professor at Morgan state, needs to go as well.

 

http://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-o...

787 wrote on August 25, 2017 at 10:08 am

This is going to be a textbook example of a death by 1000 cuts.

Slowly but surely.  

This won't stop, as long as there is the chance that one person might be offended.    Screw those who are offended that it is going away.   YOUR opinions clearly don't matter.   It is those who are easily offended, who must be protected.

I had higher hopes for Josh Whitman than this.  He's now officially joined the Mike Thomas Loser's Club.

UIUCHoopFan wrote on August 25, 2017 at 1:08 pm

The next 1000 cuts will be aimed at the 3-in-1.  I no more believe Kent Brown than the Man in the Moon!

BruckJr wrote on August 29, 2017 at 4:08 pm

Followed closely by the national anthem.

JamBam wrote on August 25, 2017 at 11:08 am

Even playing musical notes is now offensive?  MUSIC?  We aren't even talking about lyrics.  MUSIC? MUSIC?  A freaking drum beat...and some horns. 

This is absurdity.  Illinois sports has a hard enough time getting people to donate to the cause.  Now you alienate and anger long time Illinois fans by taking away a traditional song (which again has no lyrics). Just people playing instruments.  

Take away all the fun at Illinois games and why would people even bother to go?  It certainly isn't because of the team on the field.  This school should be embarrassed.  

Josh Whitman, grow a damn backbone.  It's freaking MUSIC!  Can we ban rap music from being played over the loud speakers too?  Is that next? 

Why can't decisions like this be made by those that are actually affected by it - those people that attend games.  If you took a poll, how many would want to keep this song playing and how many would want to end it?  The entire state of Illinois is living under the tyranny of a tiny minority.  It's sickening. 

Community wrote on August 25, 2017 at 6:08 pm

You nicely exhibit a lot of the problems with the way pro-Chief people argue. For instance:

(1) Your focus is on people being 'offended' rather than the issue of whether it's morally acceptable for the U of I to endorse the playing of the song. Though they may overlap, they are distinct issues. Because you don't seem to understand this, I fear that you think they are equivalent -- that is, that morality is just about feelings. 

(2) Relatedly, you seem to think that issues like these should be decided by a vote. If I'm being charitable, I will guess that you wouldn't say this about most moral issues. But again, that makes me wonder what exactly you think the worry on the anti-chief side is. An aesthetic one rather than a moral one? 

(3) You repeatedly emphasize that it's *just music*. You would be right to be concerned about the banning of the playing of musical notes. But is that seriously what you think the issue is? You can't think for, like, three more seconds and come up with a plausible explanation for why people might think it's bad to play the song at sporting events? 

Come on. We can do better than this.

Tom Napier wrote on August 25, 2017 at 7:08 pm

"Relatedly, you seem to think that issues like these should be decided by a vote."

The issue is community values, not "a vote." 

That said, we do still live in a democracy, don't we?   

Consider the outcry should a despotic leader impose censorship on a population, or ignore the public will, or rig an election to his/her favor despite overwhelming public opposition. 

Consdier the outcry at the University of Illinois should the Administration dictate what opinions by faculty and students are allowed and what opinions are forbidden.

Values established by the vast majority of a population are more than votes.  Of course, a democratic society must protect  the minority from abuse and exploitation by the majority.  I don't think being offended by a handfull of musical notes comes anywhere close to that condition.  There are those who insist on being offended regardless of the issue, and they're the most vocal in this complaint.  To them I would say I'm sorry and I really hope they wouldn't be offended.  Then I'd describe all things of which they approve, but I find offensive, but tolerate. 

I do agree 100% "We can do better than this."  It is embarrassing that we haven't over the last decade plus.    

 

JamBam wrote on August 26, 2017 at 12:08 am

If you are claiming this is a moral issue, then shouldn't the will of the people decide on the right path to take?  Why not get everyone's opinion?  Why should the admins at U of I (a very small group of people) decide on an issue that affects 45,000 people per week (those being that attend the football games).  Why should 5 people (if it was even that) decide what is acceptable for 45,000 people?  That's not right. That is tyranny by a very small minority.


I don't want the U of I telling me what is acceptable or not.  Who gave them that right and why should they have that right?

MasterOfTheObvious wrote on August 25, 2017 at 11:08 am

But folks, we're #WINNING, right?

No heritage, no history, no present.  

Next will be the removal of FIGHTING from the nickname as that indicates violence.... woooo

JohnRalphio wrote on August 25, 2017 at 12:08 pm

I'm happy to see embarrassing Native American stereotypes associated with the U of I go away, but banning the chant just isn't going to work. It's just going to entice a bunch of young guys to do it more, because it's "forbidden." The U of I needs to get off its duff and pick a new official mascot and throw their energy into that. Pick an animal like a bobcat or cougar or coyote, at least those actually lived in Illinois at one time.

The Gipper wrote on August 25, 2017 at 12:08 pm

How about a pussy cat, then they could be called the Illini Pussies.

Time for people to just stop going to games. When it starts to affect their bottom line, that's when they will take notice.

BruckJr wrote on August 25, 2017 at 1:08 pm

Uh, people, by the thousands,  have stopped going to games.

lga wrote on August 25, 2017 at 12:08 pm

Man. You snowflakes are losing your minds over a mascot and a chant. A CHANT! Imagine if you were truly oppressed individuals. You'd melt with epic haste. Get a grip. 

Midwest wrote on August 25, 2017 at 5:08 pm

1. You're not using "snowflakes" correctly. Google "SJW snowflakes" and you'll get a real good idea what an actual snowflake is in human form.

2. Your post is a double standard and hypocrtical.

>Imagine if you were truly oppressed individuals.

You mean like the Native Americans? Yea, not falling for that card. They aren't oppressed. I said it.

Tom Napier wrote on August 25, 2017 at 7:08 pm

Can you describe how conditions (living standards, education, economy, health care, others) have improved for Native Americans (locally, regionally, nationally) since Chief Illiniwek was "retired?"  

This isn't an arguement or smart-arsed remark.  It's an honest question.  I'd like to know if there are, or what are the cause-and-affect relationships.  Anyone?

Tom Napier wrote on August 25, 2017 at 7:08 pm

I suggest you read the Urban Dictionary definition of "special snowflake syndrome."

88illiniwek wrote on August 25, 2017 at 12:08 pm

So sad. 

Should we declare Memorial Stadium a safe space now? Will that increase lackluster attendance? 

Pathetic Illinois. 

Tyronius P HoggLegg wrote on August 25, 2017 at 12:08 pm

Maybe they will have little safe space areas where blankets, puppies and tissue will be provided along with soothing music...

CallSaul wrote on August 25, 2017 at 1:08 pm

The delicate little flowers and tender snowflakes who can't get over the loss --- you lost; get over it!!!111!!!11! --- of the racist chicken feather 'chief' mascot are having a hissy over music...

They can always make their dank basements into chicken feather 'chief' safe spaces, decked out with all the cheap shoddy 'chief' merch they can be convinced to shell out good money for...

UIUCHoopFan wrote on August 25, 2017 at 2:08 pm

You're so right, CallSaul, representation and imagery should be correct. 

Perhaps a dancing slot machine or bingo card is more appropriate?

I find those means of Native American "fundraising" offensive yet it's allowed because these areas have tribal sovereignty, states have limited ability to forbid gambling there, as codified by the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act of 1988.

Apparently preying upon people with gambling weaknesses in the name of profit is fine.  Good to know "safe spaces" exist for people to lose their money, compromise families as a result of lost finances, and feed an addiction. 

CallSaul wrote on August 25, 2017 at 2:08 pm

Heh --- you're obviously dripping with...uh...'respect' for Native Americans, huh...?

Your 'respect' for them is...predictable...

88illiniwek wrote on August 25, 2017 at 4:08 pm

So true. Slot machines and casino bells pay homage to the Illini more than Chief Illiniwek and the war chant. 

WiltonDiary wrote on September 01, 2017 at 10:09 am

Are you really that ignorant?

JamBam wrote on August 25, 2017 at 5:08 pm

Yes, lets replace "Illini" with Drunken Gamblers.   That would be clearly more appropriate and current. 

Midwest wrote on August 25, 2017 at 5:08 pm

As I said to another poster, your usage of "snowflakes" is not hitting the bullseye as well as your usage of "safe spaces."

>you lost; get over it

How about no.

Tom Napier wrote on August 25, 2017 at 6:08 pm

Mr/Ms CallSaul;

You won. Get over it!!!111!!!11

On numerous occasions you've attempted to insult the Chief Illiniwek Tradition by using the term "chicken feathers." On numerous occasions I've informed you the original Headdress was made from eagle feathers. Again, it's eagle feathers, not chicken feathers. This is documented fact; not alt-fact or fake news. You may not agree with the Chief Tradition, but you cannot deny fact.

Please note I've used the word "informed." Merriam-Webster defines "inform" as "to impart information or knowledge."

M-W defines "information" as "the communication or reception of knowledge or intelligence."

Look at your post. It's another perfect example of steadfastly, dogmatically, unbendingly ignoring information or knowledge, and steadfastly, dogmatically, unbendingly resisting the communication of knowledge or intelligence. Thus, your "chicken feather" posts are devoid of credibility and contribute nothing constructive to the Chief Illiniwek discussion.

I strongly suspect you'll attempt to sea-lion me into further ... discourse ... as you've always done in the past. But I'll just say Good Day Sir and leave it at that.

CallSaul wrote on August 25, 2017 at 11:08 pm

How about dropping another lecture about how the incredibly racist Aunt Jemimah stereotype isn't really racist at all.

And be sure to add the part about that cook you really really liked so much. And don't forget the part about how she really truly and honestly liked you too.

Did she ever bake you a chocolate pie...? Was it yummy...?

 

cjw61822@hotmail.com wrote on August 26, 2017 at 7:08 pm

Oh Sollie

 

Sorta like you and your rants over the Trump election..............

 

get over it snowflake

UIUCHoopFan wrote on August 25, 2017 at 1:08 pm

Our household discussed this latest move at length.  We've decided to no longer purchase season tickets to either football or basketball.  Being offended is a two way street. 

Best wishes for success by all the student athletes, both in the classroom and in uniform.

I suggest the adminstration head over to the Carle Spine Institute for a transplant or make an appointment with a proctologist to remove their heads from their respecitve rectal orifice. 

Objective Reporter wrote on August 25, 2017 at 1:08 pm

I really thought Whitman was stronger than this.  Very disappointing.

JamBam wrote on August 25, 2017 at 5:08 pm

Stronger? I thought he was at least SMARTER.   You got him begging for donations/fundraising for Illinois sports.  Donations dry up to the point that he can't even fund the Stadium project.  You think removing more of the gameday experience is going to make it easier for him to ask for money?  

The far far far leftists running the University of Illinois not only have no common sense (this has been apparent for ages), but they have no financial sense either.  

Don't donate. Don't go to the games.  Illinois has loser sports, and now no more tradition either.  It's dead and the Admins want it that way.  Let them reap what they've sown.   It's not up to them to judge what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.  You want to upset your customers?  Fine, no more money for you. Beg Rauner for it.  State's broke and all the producers are leaving it.  Good luck in that death spiral.  

Maybe change our name to the University of Illinois Chinese Commandos.  Because that's all that is going to be left to fund this nonsense. 

Annotator wrote on August 27, 2017 at 3:08 pm

"Maybe change our name to the University of Illinois Chinese Commandos.  Because that's all that is going to be left to fund this nonsense."

Do the Chinese play football at the B1G level?  What about baseball?  Just want to know.

Notsoaveragejoe wrote on August 25, 2017 at 2:08 pm

I agree it is time for a new mascot. In the spirit of diversity and not offending anyone I propose a lesbian, transvestite, half Asian and Puerto Rican ostrich that speaks with a lisp and wears a Black Lives Matter t-shirt.

MarkDibley wrote on August 25, 2017 at 4:08 pm

The Oppressed Intersectionalists, I like it! Instead of ILL-INI, they can drone chant "UI-OI-UI-OI-UI-OI-UI-OI-UI-OI-UI-OI-UI-OI-UI-OI-UI-OI-UI-OI"

Tom Napier wrote on August 25, 2017 at 6:08 pm

My suggestion for an alt-mascot is The Sucker. It pays homage to the State of Illinois' former nickname "The Sucker State." As in invertebrate, it represents the University of Illinois administration. But best of all, one side of Memorial Stadium and The Assembly Hall (er, $$$tate Farm Center) can shout "WE ARE ..." and the other side will respond with "SUCKERS!"

BigD wrote on August 25, 2017 at 4:08 pm

I dumped my season tickets too.....  So long.

WiltonDiary wrote on September 01, 2017 at 10:09 am

YOU never had season tickets!

OffTheBusRunning wrote on August 25, 2017 at 4:08 pm

I want to know when they are going to address the blatant discrimination in the men's basketball program. We enroll the most Chinese students of any university in the nation--and somehow have zero Chinese players on the basketball team! That doesn't happen by accident!

IlliniwekMerica wrote on August 25, 2017 at 5:08 pm

All of the blame for this goes to the administration back in 2007. If the goal was to get rid of the Chief and have people move on, then they should have given something for people to move on to, like another mascot. 

It takes like, 2 seconds of foresight to see that just getting rid of the guy who dances at halftime and the logo, who happen to be very popular to the population at large, and changing literally nothing else would leave a giant void and leave this argument to fester for the last 10 years.

Just get rid of the 3-in-1, because we know that's next on the list because people will never stop doing the Chief motions. Create an actual mascot or something for people to rally around and tie it to "Fighting Illini" so we don't lose that too. 

Then again, that U of I administration all resigned/ got fired in disgrace over the admissions scandal, so i guess they got their comeuppance.  

Midwest wrote on August 25, 2017 at 5:08 pm

Ha! Yea, given the admission scandal a few years ago I'm not too surprised on how the current UIUC admistration is handling "offensive" material on the field or in the stands. They're just a bunch of suits bowing to whatever trend is said to be important by the Cultural Marxists. I know there are a couple of U of I professors wanting the name "Fighting Illini" to change. They won't stop until every stone it turned in the name of secular purification which they pathetically call "social justice."

88illiniwek wrote on August 25, 2017 at 5:08 pm

Did you catch Kent Brown saying the University is "retiring" the war chant and not banning the war chant because of the poor stadium response on football 3rd downs because the video board does a much better job in exciting the crowd?

If that's the company line, ok. But then why does the DIA rep tell Illini Pride they can't drum the war chant at a soccer game, prior to this announcement? What does one have to do with the other? 

I call BS

More negative national publicity for U of I. Like it needs more! 

 

P.S. Jay Rosenstein should find somewhere else to work since he is ALWAYS offended. 

Law74ILLINI wrote on August 25, 2017 at 6:08 pm

Be prepared,everyone.  The 3 in 1 is on life support. It is likely to disappear entirely, but if not, then most certainly it will be missing the middle song which used to accompany the chief dance. It's bad enough I have to drive 3 hours each way to get to a game, and watch a program that has lost relevance inthe BIG, but now it is being stripped of all tradition. I think my days of supporting the DIA and buying season tickets are coming to an end. It is really too bad. 

byrdslover wrote on August 25, 2017 at 9:08 pm

Jay Rosenstein ain't going anywhere.  Sorry if that offends you.

Illiniwek222 wrote on August 27, 2017 at 3:08 pm

Rosenstein, Kilgore and Warrior. At least we're down to two stooges. And Curly Joe Salaita never made it.

BART15 wrote on August 25, 2017 at 7:08 pm


 Coming soon--- University of Beijing-Champaign Campus

The Gipper wrote on August 25, 2017 at 7:08 pm

To those who say "you lost, get over it," are they by chance the same people who lost the election last fall and can't seem to get over it? That was a decision of the entire populace, whereas this was the decision of a single person, or at most a handful of people.

BruckJr wrote on August 25, 2017 at 7:08 pm

So, in the revised article above the upper administration claims to not be responsible for this decision.  Who then - the DIA?

GLG wrote on August 25, 2017 at 8:08 pm

How soon before the "Alma Mater" statue is removed and cut into scrap??

I'm sure it offends someone!  This is true liberalism on display!!

"We don't want it or like it and you shouldn't either"

Whats next?? Change the name of the State?

 

WiltonDiary wrote on September 01, 2017 at 10:09 am

Yes, rename the state CornTucky, that would be more appropriate for most of you methhead bigots!

byrdslover wrote on August 25, 2017 at 8:08 pm

This will explain it for those who can listen.
https://vimeo.com/231156850

byrdslover wrote on August 25, 2017 at 9:08 pm

To those of you threatening not to give money or buy tickets, I've got some news for you: you played that card already, ten years ago.  Your hand is empty.

BigD wrote on August 25, 2017 at 10:08 pm

No actually I have stoodby the Illini in spite of what occurred ten years ago.  I make no threats.  I, in fact, did not renew my season tickets this year and don't plan on attending, watching, or listening anymore.  My family and I were HUGE fans, but we are tired of it all.  They have all our seats back.  Last year they couldn't even fill the football stands by giving seats away.  I did enjoy all the extra leg room, but thats about it.  My hand is not empty, but their seats are.  I have all the money I used to spend on tickets, food, drinks, etc. in my hand.   I still love my Illini from the past and always will.  Good bye old friend.

BruckJr wrote on August 25, 2017 at 10:08 pm

Perhaps you've not noticed the tens of thousands empty seats in the stadium.

JamBam wrote on August 26, 2017 at 12:08 am

That hand is still being played.  Illinois attendance is among the worst of all Power 5 schools. The ONLY reason that the DIA is not bankrupt is due to the Big 10 Network money, which will eventually pop too as all cable TV money is a bubble.

I had someone beg me from the U of I last year for a measly $200 at my job. This was a student caller trying to get donation for the business school.  They literally looked me up on google and called me at my desk begging for money. You think Illinois has so much money they can afford to make donors upset?  Here's a hint - they don't. And it's going to get even harder to fund Illinois with decisions like this.

Illiniwek222 wrote on August 27, 2017 at 3:08 pm

I used to give $500 a year and that was matched by my employer. I stopped 9 years ago, but still receive the yearly calls.

ohnoes wrote on August 25, 2017 at 9:08 pm

So much for Tradition.

kaw wrote on August 26, 2017 at 6:08 am

Just wondering...what if I pull out my iPhone at a sporting event, activate the speaker, and play the chant?  What does the UI do to me?  They're depriving me of my right to free speech if they tell me to stop.  Now, it seems they have a bigger problem.  Playing music is certainly not profane, although it might be offensive.  So what if it's offensive?  Get over it, Memorial Stadium is not a safe zone for the easily offended.  However, having thousands of people pull out their phones and playing the chant at athletic events is totally unmanageable for them.  Fans have at least one alternative here (no matter how facetious) and I don't think that's occurred to DIA.  Just try to shut down my cell phone, I dare you.  

shanksmare wrote on August 26, 2017 at 7:08 am

Now I loved the Chief as much as any, and wish he could be back! I also see nothing bad about the so called war chant. I do however, and have for sometime felt that the powers that be in our state government have been doing their best to destroy the University of Illinois. I honestly think these people are not delighted that the Illinois flagship university is here in down state and not in their Holy city of Chicago. It has seemed that since the renovation season for Soldier Field, in which Champaign and our university were belittled, that our state government has put as many obstacles in the UI's path as possible. This is now resulting in peole withholding donations, and not buying tickets on the athletic end, while state budget cuts to the acedemic side are hurting our university a well. By stirrng up all this trouble our once proud university is reeling from the results of dwindling funds, coupled with mismanagement from the state.

Annotator wrote on August 27, 2017 at 3:08 pm

"Now I loved the Chief as much as any, and wish he could be back! I also see nothing bad about the so called war chant. I do however, and have for sometime felt that the powers that be in our state government have been doing their best to destroy the University of Illinois. I honestly think these people are not delighted that the Illinois flagship university is here in down state and not in their Holy city of Chicago. It has seemed that since the renovation season for Soldier Field, in which Champaign and our university were belittled, that our state government has put as many obstacles in the UI's path as possible. This is now resulting in people withholding donations, and not buying tickets on the athletic end, while state budget cuts to the acedemic side are hurting our university as well. By stirrng up all this trouble our once proud university is reeling from the results of dwindling funds, coupled with mismanagement from the state."

Correct in every sentence!  Northwestern, Northern and Notre Dame are within the metropolitan Chicago region.  They are receiving contributions from their alumni and people in the region.  Maybe the next step will to move all operations to a Chicago suburb?

Illiniwek222 wrote on August 27, 2017 at 3:08 pm

Bring the selection of the trustees back to the voters, as it once was, and the Chief returns. Contact your state rep and senator.

Citizen1 wrote on August 26, 2017 at 8:08 am

What next?  Tear down Menorial Stadium because the columns honor WWI soldiers?   

 

Must be be offensive to someone.

burl55 wrote on August 26, 2017 at 9:08 am

I'm terrified that "The Galloping Ghost" will be pulled down and destroyed. These left wing terrorists are offended by any of America's history.

Another question, how many of these offended liberal loons. Actually attend any relevant Illini Sports, like men's football and men's basketball? Women's basketball? Come on, there's more people on the court than in the stands.

Mr Dreamy wrote on August 26, 2017 at 9:08 am

What you don't understand is that the U of I campus is private property. It is private property owned by a public body. The owner of private property has the right to determine how their property is used, and if the property owner doesn't want you playing certain music (or doing certain things) the owner can tell you to stop and if you don't stop, have you removed by the authorities.

If you don't like it, start your own university and play your own chosen music. Until then, who pays the piper picks the tune. And you have no rights whatsoever about it, except to complain.

Citizen1 wrote on August 26, 2017 at 12:08 pm

I do understand.  What you don't understand if that my tax dollars support this university.  How about I take my dollars elsewhere.

myattitude wrote on August 26, 2017 at 9:08 am

The University is afraid of offnding a minority but not afraid of offending the majority.

Mr Dreamy wrote on August 26, 2017 at 3:08 pm

That is your choice. If you choose to leave I wish you well, and hope you get to move to a community which precisely matches your social expectations. However, whatever tax dollars you pay will undoubtedly go to a state where at least somewhere they are spending your money in places and ways you won't like.

Have a nice day.

cjw61822@hotmail.com wrote on August 26, 2017 at 6:08 pm

People go to games for 3 reasons

 

1) Loyalty t the program either through attending a school or they hve someone who goes and plays

2) For those who do not have someone going to the school or loyalty,. there is winning

3) atmosphere.  There is nothing like a Saturday afternoon at a B10 game wtih the pomp and the circumstance of the band and the crowd

 

Take 2/3 out since the U of I does not have that, and you are left with crowds of 10k or less.

 

I do wonder, since WE WILL WIN with Lovey, how much is he going to cost the bottom line since he is not the draw that everyone thought he would be.  He is certanly not in town drumming up support like White and Turner use to ...............

WiltonDiary wrote on September 01, 2017 at 11:09 am

The Number 1 resason people go to a football game is to watch FOOTBALL and enjoy thgam, they could care less about all the other nonesense! 

Why do you keep making fools of yourselves?

cjw61822@hotmail.com wrote on August 26, 2017 at 10:08 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0apeZX9ZLeE

 

I assume since this sounds like what ever war drums are suppose to sound like, this will be not allowed either...........

 

WE WILL WIN#

Annotator wrote on August 27, 2017 at 3:08 pm

"During an appearance on WDWS radio Friday, Brown said the chant — played for years at Memorial Stadium when football opponents face third-down situations — was not getting the response from fans that the video board does.
“We’ve used it less and less,” he said.

And it has been a point of concern for campus administrators for years, he said, going back “multiple administrations.”

“If it is a sensitive issue with some of the people on campus and our fans, we want to be inclusive for everyone,” Brown said. “The decision was made that this was a good time to retire it.”"

How many people, exactly, and how many were faculty, and how many were students?  Ten, twenty, thirty...  Let them move on to another job/school.  You will be moving on soon, when your departmental budget is cut due to the financial deficit at the state level.  No state money, no salary.  DIA is already begging over the phone, not to mention on their broadcast services.  It's only a matter of time until the alt-left drives the U of I into bankruptcy.

Local Yocal wrote on August 27, 2017 at 7:08 pm
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The war chant was a juvenile ape-ing of an Indian war song suggesting native savages played music before a slaugther. It was a stereotype invented by ignorant white people and needed to be cast aside like the sambo Chief Illiniwek. The U of I is trying to grow up and it's commended they insist they won't be a part of any more minstrel shows. 

JamBam wrote on August 27, 2017 at 7:08 pm

The only minstrel show is Local Yokel pretending he's anything other than a pension parasite white guilter that's never done a thing for a Native American in his life.  But you really think you are doing something by trying to get rid of a song without any lyrics?

Enjoy your tyranny,.  Where a small minority decides what is acceptable for a large majority.  

CallSaul wrote on August 27, 2017 at 8:08 pm

Man, rightwing chicken feather 'chief' supporters are so tender and delicate, so easily yet so catastrophically triggered by the mere mention of the plain fact that the chicken feather 'chief' was racist and the stupid 'war chant' is a Hollywood creation based on white America's stereotypes of Indians as savages.

They are fakes and vestiges of a shameful racist past and are best dumped and left in the ash bin.

Deal with it, snowflakes...

cjw61822@hotmail.com wrote on August 27, 2017 at 9:08 pm

Personally Sollie boy I am STUNNED that you have not blamed Hurricane Harvey on POTUS yet.

 

It is his fault right?

Local Yocal wrote on August 27, 2017 at 11:08 pm
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History is on the side of those who seek not to degrade others for amusement. The U of I did the right thing.

 There are times when protecting the minority from abuse, as during the days of ending child labor, instituting an 8-hour workday, protecting the Jews from the Nazis, ending Jim Crow laws and school segregation, the passage of the American Disabilities Act, preserving quality education for deaf and blind students as well as low income students, and a host of other good laws and good practices that Americans have taken upon themselves to right past wrongs, is sometimes necessary.  The subjugation and humiliation of an entire race of people is tyranny in itself and should be defeated. While not doing much to really help Native Americans, it is at least common courtesy to quit making a mockery of them.  

JamBam wrote on August 28, 2017 at 12:08 am

Protecting minorities from abuse has it's place.  Protecting anyone, and I mean ANYONE...whether it's the majority or minority or something in between...from being OFFENDED - which is nothing more than a "feeling", has no place in society.

We don't live in a society where anyone's feelings on anything should matter.  If you get offended with something, get over it and tolerate it like everyone else does because I guarantee that the thing you find offensive, someone else enjoys.  We aren't talking about abuse. We are talking about "FEELINGS". That's it. 

Picking who's feelings get to be appeased, and who has to simply tolerate things that they find offensive...it's nobody's right to pick and choose that.

The only place where decisions like these can ever be put into action is public institutiions where they don't care about potentially upsetting 90% of their customers to appease 10%.  Because in the real world, a real business would never be able to do that. They'd be out of business.  These naive idiots running Illinois believe they'll never go out of business no matter how angry they make the public. They are wrong. And they are going to see it in their pocketbooks, donation levels, enrollment, attendance at events, etc etc. 

I went to U of I.  My sister went to U of I.  Neither of us will be sending our children there.

cjw61822@hotmail.com wrote on August 27, 2017 at 9:08 pm

Since I was not here 140 yrs ago to listen to the war chants that you speak of, could you provide a link to them so that I know what "indian music" sounds like?  Specifically how it relates to the 3rd down music.  Also in your opinion does the drum line introduction of the team consititute "indian music" as well?

 

What are your thoughts Yodler on the 3 in 1 and the name  "fighting illini"

Local Yocal wrote on August 27, 2017 at 11:08 pm
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Whatever charicatures Native American culture should be eliminated. 

rsp wrote on August 28, 2017 at 1:08 am

I recorded some authentic Native American music recently but it's copyrighted and I can't post it. Who are these "indians" you speak of?

By the way, Fighting Illini refers to the soldiers who were at war. That's why Memorial Stadium, that's why the pillars with the names on them.

annabellissimo wrote on August 28, 2017 at 12:08 am

Mine may be the lone voice about this piece of musical interlude because I have a different take on it. My view has nothing to do with whether it has anything to do with Indian music or drums or war-drums or anything like that. I do not like this music because it is NOT rousing! It is droning, slow and has a kind of miserable whining aspect to it. Just when the athletic moment needs some energizing, some rhythmic pizazz, instead there was always this "nah-nah-nah-nah; nah-nah-nah-nah..." and my eyes would roll and my family would wait to hear my invariable "oh, no...here we go... wah, wah, wah.." So, I'm not sorry to 'hear' this go, even though the reasons given seem silly. My hopes are: No mascot. Better, more energetic, more spirited music. There are some fabulous rock & roll opening sections that are instantly recognizable, danceable, loved and that get folks revved up. Use those Use the fabulous drum line to do those fabulous drum line "drummings" - they are FABULOUS and don't do anything that sounds "Indian," whatever that means. God forbid Illinois ever do, say, play, imply or make any reference to anything "Indian." Some identifiable, relatable music that "belongs" to Illinois and gets folks, on and off the playing arenas, fired up for athletic competition. Some clear, open, transparent honest statement of philosophy, mission, purpose for all symbols and related materials associated with Illinois athletics so that these decisions aren't like stealth capitulations to silliness and nonsensical agendas. I hope all the posters here will stop with the anti-Chinese comments because they are truly ugly and painful, particularly in light of the still missing Yingyang Zhang and her family and friends. The Chinese students here are just that: students. Just as are the Korean students, the Japanese students, the Israeli students, the Lebanese students, the Iranian students, the students from France, England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Haiti, Chile, Peru, Indiana, Iowa, California, New York.....and so on. Stop with that xenophobic, provincial nonsense.

JamBam wrote on August 28, 2017 at 12:08 am

You're missing the point about Chinese students attending Illinois. The reason why people are suggesting that is all that will be left is because you will see many native Illinoisians sending their kids elsewhere because they don't want to give money to a college being ran by far leftists who have no common sense at all.  Certainly no financial sense.  So in order for the college to survive as is, they will need to depend on that out of state tuition money.  And nobody from out of state wants to come to Illinois either. So they have to go to foreign countries to pull in these students who likely have no idea how backwards the school is being ran.

College sports are about tradition.  The War Chant has been the theme song for Illini athletics for about 40 years. If anyone was watching TV and heard that song come on, someone in another room would instantly know they were watching an Illini game.  You suggesting the band play a bunch of rock music that no connection to anything is completely meaningless. How would playing Bruno Mars or Van Halen or Mettalica, or 50 Cent tell you that you were at an Illinois game?

You know not what you speak.  

rsp wrote on August 28, 2017 at 12:08 am

Seriously? Chinese students are coming here when they could go anywhere in the world. Do you really think they haven't done any research on the best schools for what they want to study? Students are coming here from other countries to get degrees in top fields like engineering.

So explain how dropping the War Chant affects the quality of an Engineering degree.

Annotator wrote on August 28, 2017 at 4:08 pm

"Seriously? Chinese students are coming here when they could go anywhere in the world. Do you really think they haven't done any research on the best schools for what they want to study? Students are coming here from other countries to get degrees in top fields like engineering."

After the kidnapping of YingYing Zhang, they might not come in the large numbers they presently do.  Many students do enroll at the U of I for family tradition, including from China. 

However, that tradition is being subverted by a small number of alt-left members of the faculty, who are brainwashing their students (to get a grade).  The faculty alt-left are purposely brainwashing to create future votes for the alt-left politicians, such as Pelosi, Waters, Warren, Schumer, et al.  This is all about politics in Washington, D.C., not the welfare or education of the students attending the U of I.

Local Yocal wrote on August 28, 2017 at 5:08 am
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Some would say the playing of the war chant is an act of abuse toward Native Americans much like the sambos and Aunt Jamima mammies were abusive toward African Americans. 

This excerpt from Jay Rosenstein's 1998 documentary, "In Whose Honor?", bears repeating to explain why the war chant rises to the level of abuse. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lUF95ThI7s

 

cjw61822@hotmail.com wrote on August 28, 2017 at 9:08 am

I take it there Yodler, you do not have Aunt Jemimiah pan cakes and sryup for breakfast huh.....................................

cjw61822@hotmail.com wrote on August 28, 2017 at 4:08 pm

Yodler you are correct.

 

Feel free to send me any of those 20's with the Indian killer jackson on them, or the indian executioner Lincoln on them.

 

I will take them off your hands.

honeydont1984 wrote on August 29, 2017 at 1:08 pm

I sure hope the U doesn't call me AGAIN for a contribution to the sports program or anything else BTW. Since I am an alumni, as is my brother, mother, father, several of my good friends, and any number of associates and NONE of us was asked how we feel about this issue so guess what? We don't care what the U thinks about it. They don't care what we think, so we don't care what they think. That idiot Kaufman and Jones aren't even from this area and we wish they would pack up and go back to where they came from, the sooner the better. When I grew up not only was the chief a figure of respect and admiration but honor, something neither one of these gentlemen have. Get rid of these cumquats. The last time around we were hiring quasi terrorists that citizens got to pay off to get rid of now it's the chief and the chant. This is complete baloney and if you are looking for support for your elitist, left-wing, arrogant decisions you aren't going to find it here. What I'd really like to see is for you yokels to grow a pair and try it with say the Chicago Blackhawks and see how fast they run you out of town on a rail. There are many great people in this commmunity many of them directly or indirectly affiliated with the university unfortunately it is being run by nitwits. Maybe we should change the name of the state, or get rid of other symbols which you might somehow construe as offensive. As for me I would settle for just getting rid of you!  

Sincerely,

Henry

Illiniwek222 wrote on August 30, 2017 at 10:08 am

Well said, Henry.