Tate: Penn State prospects appear brighter than Illinois

Back on Sept. 1, when brutal NCAA sanctions were ringing in their ears and the Nittany Lions were losing to Ohio’s Bobcats, no worthy football program would have traded places with Penn State.

They were the collegiate black sheep, and the future appeared dire.

Now comes Nov. 1, and in two months the outlook has done a flip-flop. Penn State has survived the initial challenge, ripping through Illinois 35-7 and standing 3-1 in the Big Ten with Purdue on the docket Saturday. Illinois has lost 10 straight conference games, with Ohio State a 24-point favorite to make it 11. The despair surrounding the UI has reached the point where it is fair to ask: Who has the best football prospects in the next three, five or seven years, Penn State or Illinois?    

If it makes you stop and think, that reveals a lot by itself. If you favor Penn State’s future, then you’re saying Illinois has fallen below the school receiving the most severe football sanctions since SMU’s death penalty.

Before digging into the comparisons, let’s review the Nittany Lions’ long-range penalties. First, the athletic department projected income of $108 million to operate 31 sports (12 more than Illinois).

The school is obliged to pay a $60 million fine, which is approximately the revenue from one football season and will be paid at the rate of $12 million for five years. In addition, the Nittany Lions won’t receive anticipated bowl income of $13 million during a four-year period in which they can’t attend.

Illinois, with a budget in excess of $70 million, will receive bowl money, but the likelihood of attending postseason play in the near future is doubtful.  

On the competitive side, Penn State must reduce scholarships from 85 to 65 and, for four years beginning in 2014, can’t go beyond 65.

Let’s consider the relative attractiveness of the two programs.

Resources:
Penn State’s budget will remain over $100 million, donors still pitching in at a high level, and October home games with Northwestern and Ohio State drew 95,769 and 107,818, the latter 1,246 beyond capacity. That’s more than double what Illinois has announced so far, and there are serious concerns as to how many will brave the November weather for the next home game against Minnesota.

Attitude:
In Happy Valley, with Jerry Sandusky tucked away in prison, there is a feeling of closure on that terrible episode, and it has become “us against the world” as they resist the shackles and battle through a trying period. They KNOW they’ll be back. At Illinois, a despondent fandom is gripped with a feeling of hopelessness as the Big Ten losing streak moves into double figures. With Indiana now ahead in the standings, there are few positive prognostications as to when it will end.

Coaching leadership:
Penn State has already given Bill O’Brien a contract extension, and he remains a strong candidate for Big Ten Coach of the Year. Many Penn State followers believe he is an upgrade to an aging Joe Paterno. At Illinois, cool heads believe Tim Beckman deserves more time even as debates rage over whether — assuming no more wins — he should be retained beyond this season.

Squad talent:
O’Brien has another stout defensive squad and a knack for coaching quarterbacks. As scholarships are reduced, the talent is bound to slip. But this is a program that has dominated the rich Pennsylvania territory for decades and, however far it falls, it’ll come charging back. Penn State is and will remain a national story. The prospective recruits in 2014 will realize that they can attend a bowl in 2016. The Illini are being consistently out-recruited for top in-state players, would take another hit if Beckman is ultimately released, and could conceivably be no more capable of qualifying five years from now than Penn State.

Let’s just say that the grim, eight-year projections for Penn State in August aren’t as grim today. There is an SEC culture there that won’t let them die. That’s the way it is with certain programs, and some Illinoisans would trade places with them tomorrow.

Tate’s tidbits

— Two hurtful fumbles have caused Beckman to remove Tommy Davis as Illini punter returner. Terry Hawthorne and Darius Millines are competing for the job.

— Running back Josh Ferguson is expected to practice this week after missing most of Saturday’s loss to Indiana. Safety Steve Hull appears questionable at this point due to repeated shoulder problems.

— Junior tackle Akeem Spence, queried about his draft status, said: “It’s up in the air. Me and my dad will see where I stand at the end of the season.” On team morale, Spence said: “I’m not pointing fingers. It’s OK but not great because guys aren’t happy losing. We’re still trying to figure out why we’re making those mistakes, one guy here and another guy there.”

Loren Tate writes for The News-Gazette. He can be reached at ltate@news-gazette.com.

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Jam wrote on October 30, 2012 at 5:10 am

It would lesson the stress level for a lot of people if Illinois would just drop football.  Right now very few people on the east coast really care one way or the other.  They just want to survive. Since this PS coach is at a school under sanctions he should not be considered for coach of the year.

blmillini wrote on October 30, 2012 at 8:10 am

Tell your buddy Guenther thank you the next time you see him.

Matt wrote on October 30, 2012 at 8:10 am

I never really felt PSU got punished in terms of being able to compete. If their top 25 scholarship players are better than the other teams top 25 players they are still going to win. Is having ONLY 65 scholarships that big of a deal? Maybe it keeps them out of the top 25 and puts them at a disadvantage against OSU and Wisky but not the likes of UI. They won't miss the money.  I was surprised at how whiny their fans were over their "punishment". Could have been way worse.


I think it's a pretty safe bet PSU will have more wins than UI over the next 3-5-7 years. With Urban at OSU and Wisky rolling along I'm not sure we would have capitalized much off of PSU's perceived downturn anyway......unless we found the right coach(our Barry Alvarez).....and we didn't.

ptevonian wrote on October 30, 2012 at 9:10 am

The damage that the scholarship reduction causes is in depth and development of younger players.  Most teams "Top 25" players at any one time will be mostly seniors and juniors and a couple young guys.  The remaining 65 scholarships are spent on promising younger players who need to grow and develop to become Big Ten starters.  You never know which guys will be the ones who make progress and which have already maxed-out by age 19.  The next year, probably half of those "Top 25" players will leave the program, to hopefully be replaced by the younger guys who have risen to the top.  If that pool of younger guys is reduced by 1/3 because of scholarship reductions, you simply can't have the same number of developing options to choose from for the next year's starters.

The "bottom" 60 scholarships, beyond the 25 top guys, is in effect the farm system.  Without a good farm system feeding newly developed players, the quality of those Top 25 will diminish.  

It's not THAT surprising that this year's Penn State team would be good -- the starters were all with the program last year, and O'Brien was expected to be a decent coach.  The question will be in 2 years, when the recruiting classes are smaller, and the farm system is starting to be depleted.

--Pete

walker wrote on October 30, 2012 at 10:10 am

Loren,  who are these so-called  "cool heads that believe Beckmann deserves more time"  

Moonpie wrote on October 30, 2012 at 11:10 am

Under Resources, Obi Wan Tate elbows fans for the millionth time--somehow they should be expected to blindly follow his lead and brave weather to witness a turdy product while Obi Wan sits comfortably up on Mt. Olympus in the press box.


This team should have to play to an empty stadium until it shows some speed, talent, and cojones. Then fans can be expected to come back. Zeus Tate forgets that fans are customers who deserve a good product and not obedient little serfs to do as he says.

OrlandoIllini wrote on October 30, 2012 at 12:10 pm

Are your postings intended to be parodies of what might be written by someone with Tourette syndrome or some similar neurological disorder?

illinihimeyiswhiney wrote on October 30, 2012 at 4:10 pm

 

After reading "Under Resources", Chubacca moonpie fails for the millionth time to form a rational thought-- If Obi Wan wanted us to follow his lead then he would ask his friend Chubacca, Han Solo, and Luke to join him in the press box, NOT brave the weather. So he's actually suggesting we do not follow his lead if moonpie is correct and he wants us to brave the weather. 

No fan would want their team to play in an empty stadium. Good game day atmosphere = good players being excited to come play at that stadium. Bad atmosphere means good players go elsewhere. Odin Moonpie forgets that Tate is a writer and we are all readers that can choose to form our own opinions not obedient little serfs to just follow along lock step. Sad to see him shouting down other people on here. No respect for freedom of the press or the freedoms of other people!  

nick wrote on October 30, 2012 at 2:10 pm

Jam raised a good point of discussion with the suggestion that Illinois drop football. Penn State has become a celebrated national story as confused and deluded sportswriters spin nonsense about a sick situation. All anyone needs to know is that everyone connected with Penn State University chose to protect their semi-professional football franchise instead of suspending football for a few years and taking steps to end the corrupt culture at the school. If the UIUC chose to disassociate from a system as corrupt as the one that holds PSU as a role model I would support the Illinois decision without reservation.

Green Shirt wrote on October 30, 2012 at 4:10 pm

Nick. If the Illinois were to drop football, they would be expelled from the Big Ten.  The B1G does not permit partial membership (the reason that Notre Dame was not granted membership). 

Chief4Evr wrote on October 30, 2012 at 5:10 pm

Illinois is where Northwestern was a few years back. They are now the "Doormat" of the conference and I do not see that changing because what good recruit wants to come here with everyone bashing the program every 5 minutes. I think we have to give Coach Beckman the opportunity to try to build up the program. No doubt that task is going to be very difficult. If Illinois remains at "Doormat" status, perhaps we need to join the MAC or form a new conference with some other teams that are not competitive with the "Power" teams. I know that may sound ridiculous but look who is always, always, always at the top. Same teams every year because they are able to recruit the best athletes to their campuses while the Illinois' of the world get mostly average athletes for their football programs. My brother and I dropped our season tickets several years ago because we were tired of the losing. If there is a serious committment in Champaign to building a winning culture, I haven't seen it in quite awhile. I hope it will change but I have my doubts. I know Illinois is a very good academic institution. It is a shame that we do not have a competitive football program to go along with it! 

nick wrote on October 30, 2012 at 5:10 pm

 I understand that dropping football means that Illinois would leave the Big Ten. I believe that is a discussion that would be worthwhile. It may be time for Illinois to demonstrate some true leadership and lead a movement to reform college athletics outside the conventional corporate stucture of the NCAA/Big Ten model. There is certainly a more honest and rewarding alternative to college athletics than the current system. Of course such a change would be shocking. Change and innovation always requires the courage to risk and create.I wouldn't miss the old system,controlled by the power driven engine of the NCAA and the bribery associated with television networks and advertising dollars. I certainly respect the emotional and tradional attachment many Illinois fans have to the Big Ten. That is valid. It is also valid to ask if the modern model of college sports is the best that we can have in our society. I promise you that in just a few minutes you can think of realistic ways to reform the mess that college sports has become in the United States.

illinibri wrote on October 31, 2012 at 3:10 pm

 


I work in a large suburban district of Chicago with very successful football programs.   Beckman and his staff have completely botched all recruiting since he has been at Illinois.   They are JOKE!  They have no idea how to run a big program.  He must go!   This is one frustrated alumni!!!!


 

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