Today's Top 25s

Unbeaten Illinois stayed at No. 10 in this week's AP Top 25 and coaches' poll:

AP Top 25

The top 25 teams in The Associated Press’ college basketball poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, records through Dec. 16, total points based on 25 points for a first-place vote through one point for a 25th-place vote and last week’s ranking:
    Record    Pts    Prv
 1. Duke (62)    9-0    1,622    2
 2. Michigan (3)    11-0    1,543    3
 3. Syracuse    9-0    1,465    4
 4. Arizona    8-0    1,371    8
 5. Louisville    9-1    1,362    6
 6. Indiana    9-1    1,321    1
 7. Ohio St.    8-1    1,249    7
 8. Florida    7-1    1,163    5
 9. Kansas    8-1    1,110    9
10. Illinois    12-0    1,044    10
11. Cincinnati    10-0    967    11
12. Missouri    8-1    886    12
13. Minnesota    11-1    730    13
14. Gonzaga    10-1    710    14
15. Georgetown    9-1    579    15
16. New Mexico    11-0    548    17
17. Creighton    10-1    530    16
18. San Diego St.    8-1    493    18
19. Butler    8-2    361    —
20. Michigan St.    9-2    343    19
21. UNLV    8-1    315    20
22. Notre Dame    9-1    291    22
23. North Carolina    8-2    256    21
24. Oklahoma St.    8-1    244    24
25. NC State    7-2    198    25
Others receiving votes: Oregon 176, Pittsburgh 158, Kentucky 41, Wyoming 14, Marquette 8, VCU 7, Wichita St. 6, Murray St. 4, UConn 4, Miami 3, Maryland 2, Bucknell 1.
Ballots Online: http://tinyurl.com/43u6jr6

N-G Top 25

Beat writer Marcus Jackson kept Illinois, now 12-0, at No. 11 on his AP ballot this week. Here's how it looked:

1. Duke
2. Michigan
3. Syracuse
4. Louisville
5. Arizona
6. Ohio State
7. Indiana
8. Florida
9. Kansas
10. Missouri
11. Illinois
12. Cincinnati
13. Minnesota
14. New Mexico
15. UNLV
16. Georgetown
17. Gonzaga
18. San Diego State
19. Pittsburgh
20. Butler
21. Oregon
22. Oklahoma State
23. Notre Dame
24. Creighton
25. North Carolina State

USA Today/ESPN Top 25 Poll
The top 25 teams in the USA Today-ESPN men’s college basketball poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, records through Dec. 16, points based on 25 points for a first-place vote through one point for a 25th-place vote and last week’s ranking:
    Record    Pts    Pvs
 1. Duke (30)    9-0    774    2
 2. Michigan (1)    11-0    743    3
 3. Syracuse    11-0    695    4
 4. Louisville    9-1    640    6
 5. Arizona    8-0    632    8
 6. Indiana    9-1    627    1
 7. Ohio State    8-1    595    7
 8. Kansas    8-1    552    9
 9. Florida    7-1    532    5
10. Illinois    12-0    482    10
11. Cincinnati    10-0    460    12
12. Missouri    8-1    451    11
13. Creighton    10-1    351    13
14. Gonzaga    10-1    339    14
15. San Diego State    8-1    296    15
16. Minnesota    11-1    273    16
17. New Mexico    11-0    219    20
18. UNLV    8-1    216    17
19. North Carolina    8-2    187    18
19. Michigan State    9-2    187    19
21. Georgetown    9-1    180    21
22. Notre Dame    9-1    125    24
23. Kentucky    7-3    98    22
24. Oklahoma State    8-1    94    23
25. Butler    8-2    89    —
Others receiving votes: N.C. State 84, Pittsburgh 74, Oregon 45, VCU 11, Wyoming 8,
UConn 6, Wichita State 5, Murray State 3, Oklahoma 2.

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walker wrote on December 17, 2012 at 12:12 pm

Weber's KSU team has now slipped out of the voting.  His team had high expectations and is now underachieving.  Thankfully, we are the absolute opposite.  Got hammered by Gonazaga over the weekend by 16. 

Bear8287 wrote on December 18, 2012 at 1:12 am

Some disconcerting data if you're a K. State fan:

4-game scoring moving averages:

    KSU     Opponents
    81.25        47
    76.5         49.75
    71            53.75
    67.25       60.5
    65            62.25
   61.5          63.5

This season, for games 1-4, KSU outscored their opponents on average 81.25 to 47.  A whopping 34.25 scoring advantage.  For games 6-9, KSU has on average now been outscored by their opponents 61.5 to 63.5.  That's an amazing 36.25 point difference over only 9 games so far this season. The fall in offensive production has to be the most worrisome piece of data if you're a K. State fan.

JohnUI82 wrote on December 18, 2012 at 3:12 pm

Games 1-4 were home games against three D-I minnows that are a combined 6-24 plus a D-II. Games 6-9 included one home game and two ranked opponents. Think quality of opponents might have something to do with your "amazing data"? I'm glad Weber is gone, but you're choosing stats selectively to make him look worse than he is.

Bear8287 wrote on December 19, 2012 at 12:12 am

Well, here's some data from last year's 4 game moving scoring average for the first 9 games:

  KSU     Opponents

  80.25       54.5
  78.5         57.25
  76.25       62.25
  74.5         67.5
  77.25       68.25
  79.5         66.75

I'll also note that games 6-9 above included games against Duke and Gonzaga.

On the season, last year's K. State team averaged 74.0 points scored to their opponents 64.8 and even during their worst 4-game scoring stretch (Loyola, Florida, UNLV, UMKC) they still averaged 62.75 points per game. Bruce Weber can be congratulated on already dipping 1.25 points below last year's low watermark. Against a team that the Illini put up two 40+ point halves on their opponent's home court, the Wildcats put up back to back 26 point halves against the same opponent on a court in Seattle.

Yeah, I kind of find that amazing...