Illini grade vs. Michigan: C minus

Illini grade vs. Michigan: C minus

Our breakdown of the Illini's 74-60 loss to Michigan on Sunday:

PLAYER OF THE GAME: Michigan’s Trey Burke

Think Ohio State would like to have the Columbus native? The 19 points were nice, but five assists and five boards show his real value. Good that he waited to go to the NBA.

BACKCOURT

Michigan A

Illinois C

You can’t expect D.J. Richardson to score 30 every game, but his shots were off the entire game. Nik Stauskas is going to be a pain for the rest of the Big Ten for four years.

FRONTCOURT

Michigan B

Illinois C

Glenn Robinson III made his dad proud, scoring 12 important points and grabbing eight meaningful rebounds. He helped Wolverines overcome early loss of Jordan Morgan.

BENCH

Michigan A minus

Illinois C minus

With Morgan out, Wolverines got quality minutes from Jon Horford, Mitch McCary and Peorian Max Bielfeldt. Joseph Bertrand got into foul trouble, which hurt his effectiveness.

OVERALL

Michigan A

Illinois C minus

Hard to argue with the Wolverines as the new No. 1. They look like a team capable of winning the national title. Illini played hard on defense, but the shooting wasn’t close to good enough.

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DaisyJ wrote on January 27, 2013 at 9:01 pm

Pay attention everyone, including Tate, Turpin, and Groce. Play the 3rd team under the following circumstances. They play if they agree not to go one on one, if the players not with the ball will cut toward the basket instead of hugging the three line, and if the players agree to take no three point shots. This way, the first and second team will understand basketball.

Did you see that Michigan could care less to bring their big men up to pick above the top of the key, they picked around the freethrow line and then rolled. Come on Groce, you know how this works, why do you keep doing the same thing. Why do you keep allowing the first team to try their one on one moves from the top of the key. Why. Groce, I have never bought into that we have less quality players. The kids we have are very good. However, from the begining, Weber never made them play as a team. Groce has no control over the kids. Paul and Abrams owe us an appology. Could care less how hard they play. Stop with the one on one, the terrible three ball shots that occassionaly go in. Stop with any time for Griffey. Stop with the jump switches on defense. Our players are not the problem only. The coach has lost control of any dicipline on the floor. You tell the Paul, Abrams, Richardson, your time is over unless you do it the way it should be done. Shame on you Groce for running the same offense  and no offense game after game. Anyone with any basketball sense knows what to expect from the team that starts the game. We all have seen the hesitation by Paul and the way out shots. We all have seen Richardson throw up threes and drive and get caught in the air and turn it over. We all have seen Abrams think he is invincible, drive like a maniac. We all have seen Griffey throw up a shot instead of shooting the ball. We all have seen the pics at the top of the key, when the other teams pick at the free throw line or pick for the other forward lower. We all have seen NONE of the other players ever cut to the basket for a pass from another team mate. We all have seen Igwu pick and our guards cut back toward half court never looking for Igwu on the roll and never doing anything but dribble dribble dribble. This is a coaching problem. We have no consequences for over and over mistakes.

blmillini wrote on January 28, 2013 at 9:01 am

Our guards are not good enough ball handlers and passers to make this happen.  Even if they could, our bigs do not have good enough hands to finish.  So, while admirable that you want to play like Michigan (something Beilein even said he was was unable to do when he didn't have the players, and had to rely on the three), we simply don't have the personnel to make it happen.  I think Groce knows his players better than you.

DaisyJ wrote on January 28, 2013 at 10:01 am

Excuse me, the players cannot do what. When they make the plays, then how do you explain that. They do not consistantly make plays because they are not forced by loss of playing time to do it right the whole time. There are no consequences for mistakes. And the biggest mistake is that they try to run the pick to high. Hello, wake up, analyze the game instead of rooting for the home team.

bluegrass wrote on January 28, 2013 at 11:01 am

DaisyJ, I do agree that IL does the same thing over and over with the high pick and roll and would like to see some adjustments there.  However I disagree with benching a kid if he misses a shot or makes a turnover.  I think that Groce's definition of a mistake and Weber's are different.  I could be wrong, but it looks like Groce gets upset and pulls a player when they don't hustle, don't help out on defense, don't get back on defense, stand around and don't block out to rebound, things like that.  That doesn't make the missed shots and turnovers any easier to watch.

DaisyJ wrote on January 28, 2013 at 11:01 am

Trust me, they will get the picture if they get benched. Cannot hurt, will lose anyway more than likely. Not going to get this straightened out until they sit the so called stars. The shot selection and forcing of shots is horrible. We are predictable. When was the last time you saw a pass to a guy at the free throw line. When was the last time you saw 2 big men in the game going high low  posting. Are you saying they are not capable of this or they never are told to try this. Which is it. Scoring is easy, unless you let the kids on the floor do the coaching of themselves.

No coach should not be clear when it comes to mistakes, they are there for all to witness. How many times do you have to get beat on the pick and roll before you call time out and run a zone for a while. Groce has good kids coming, but good kids still need coaching and this is not being done. I would sit Paul the whole game for the laziness he shows. There are kids on the bench that are wondering why the seniors get away with what they do. Did it ever occur to anyone that Griffey has not been squaring up, or slightly moves his feet. Slow down the tv and watch for yourself. What is the reason he plays. Langford and Henry both can play with these guys.

Andy wrote on January 28, 2013 at 10:01 am

Sorry DaisyJ But everything you have talked about as far as players not passing, shooting better shots ect..has to do to the fact that our players are not that smart! They are the ones who have to recongnize this, coaches can only coach them they can not play for them. Coach Groce calls timeout after timeout to adress these issues, the players have to act on it. Its called "Instinct" we dont have much of that...

DaisyJ wrote on January 28, 2013 at 11:01 am
  1. Noit that smart, are they in college or kindergarden. The coach is the one flunking out as far as handling the kids.
  2. They learned to do it the wrong way, they can learn to do it the right way. You sound like excuse Obama man.
Andy wrote on January 28, 2013 at 12:01 pm

Noit <----that smart are you in college or kindergarten? The coach is working with what he has, if you have not noticed. There is a reason we only go maybe at best 7 deep, its like the old saying "you can lead a horse to water, but you can make him drink"! I think we have a very bright future with this coach if we can win some games. That being said we have to get players who have "basketball IQ". Brandon Paul throwing up a 35 footer down 8 points against a now #1 team is not smart, or Paul getting the ball stolen from him at half court becasue he is not paying attention is not smart!  Just a few examples for you to analyze...oh yeah i am an Obama fan Thank You very much!!

DaisyJ wrote on January 28, 2013 at 2:01 pm

Andi, am I on the wrong site, is this Illini HQ or a Masters level spelling contest. Deal with it, you can figure out what the meaning is I am sure. Just like those players can figure out that they need to set the picks on the free throw line vs to far out. Or is that a skill our players or coach cannot muster. What part of shots made by Michigan would our players not be able to do. Open three's, layup after lay up. The problem we have is that we fail to do the easy stuff, like line up for the pick in the right area, have the timing of the roll be correct, and these things have nothing to do with they are better skilled. They will get the picture when they sit like they should be doing instead of contstant dumb footwork.

You sounded like a taker, I knew you liked Obama. Guess what, a trillion equals spending 1 million a day for 32 thousand years, and we are 16.4 of them in the whole. Why would you want that hanging over your head. You are typical of a kid buying into the hope change routine. Time to grow up and be an adult.

Andy wrote on January 28, 2013 at 3:01 pm

Daisy J, when have something worth discussing come back...until then your parents want the computer back! :)

DaisyJ wrote on January 28, 2013 at 3:01 pm

give up so easy, do not blame you, You decided to do the first insult, then you have had enough.

penniless wrote on January 27, 2013 at 10:01 pm

Nothing less than A for UM.C minus to harsh for Illini.UM's talent just did a beat down on a team with no post players.Imagine being in White Water,in a canoe with no paddles.That what a BTen team feels,when no post players are playing for Groce.4 wins is needed to make NIT and Illinois is up the creek with no paddles.

DaisyJ wrote on January 28, 2013 at 2:01 pm

Everyone, step back, when we beat Butler, Gonzaga, and others, we were diciplined in our shots and offense. It was done, can be done, but not now being done because Groce is allowing it. Wake up. This is not that hard. If you think that it should be ok for Abrams to go wild and Paul to just toss up long three balls without being punished then you are missing the point. They can do it the right way, just are allowed to screw around with no punishment.

aaeismacgychel wrote on January 28, 2013 at 3:01 pm

No we weren't. We had better spacing and better movement off the ball. Also we made our open threes in those games, something that we haven't done since. There was no high-low or posting up in those games. It was almost entirely guard oriented. That's the team we have. If we can't hit open shots, we lose. It's really as simple as that. Of Griffey's 0-20 3 pt streak, how many have been wide open? 9, 10, maybe 12? You didn't see Stauskas or Hardaway miss their open threes, did you? DJ Richardson? Same thing. Gotta make your open threes.

And while Brandon Paul as you say was "just tossing up long three balls", he still shot 5-12 from the field which is not bad for a guard, and in fact, he was more efficient than Trey Burke who was 7-19. What do you want him to do?

DaisyJ wrote on January 28, 2013 at 4:01 pm

Yes, we had better everything you said. Proves my point, is not a skill thing or better player thing. It is a coaching thing.

Anyone can use the excuse if we cannot hit open shots we lose. Duh.

I could care less if Griffey gets all 3's wide open. That is the problem. Why is he in there.

 

Paul takes terrible to long shots, So what if he makes a few. They are bad shots, why, because first of all the team is just as shocked as everyone he heaves it up there from no where that they are not in any position to rebound. Most of the offensive rebounds we had the other day were chase downs or long that came bounding out hard.

Trey Burke shot no where near the same length of three's and you know it. and, he was not lofting over people all over him or fading when he did it. If Paul would pass and cut to the basket we would be getting something from him. This team is a dribble one on one team. Watch the film , watch how they hog the ball. The others just are left out of the offense when Abrams and Paul have the ball.

crackerman wrote on January 28, 2013 at 2:01 pm

Brandon Paul needs to sit his careless ball handling ass next to Groce everytime he throws the ball away! Wow, everytime he gets the ball I actually cringe! How do you beat Illinois? Pressure the ball handlers. Ridiculous.........

aaeismacgychel wrote on January 28, 2013 at 4:01 pm

Yes, obviously. Brandon Paul is all that's wrong with this team. Suspend him for the rest of the season and clearly we'll be a better team. I mean just because he's the #41 player in the country in terms of efficiency (and that's including turnovers) for players whose teams rely on them as much means nothing. And just because on the team he's #1 in ppg, #2 in apg, #2 in rpg, #2 in bpg, and #3 in spg means nothing. True he is Top 100 in the nation at drawing fouls on the opposition, but again, eff him. He obviously doesn't deserve to wear the uniform. What we need is an even more tentative Brandon Paul. A Brandon Paul afraid to make an error every time he touches the ball. Clearly that will help this team. Let's kick everyone off the team who commits a turnover. Just kick them off. Take away their scholarships. Obviously that will help this team.

Who cares that Brandon Paul isn't a Point Guard and has to play point simply because we don't have anyone else? Because he's not a 1 guard he shouldn't be on this team. Obviously. While we're at it, let's kick off Tracy Abrams as well. He can't hack it at the 1. DJ? He goes too. Tyler Griffey? Good as gone. Myke Henry? Goodbye. Bertrand? See ya. Langford? Goodbye. LaTulip? Doesn't even deserve to be a walk-on because he's not a 1. Berardini? Well, he can stay. Gosh, aren't we a much better team now?

*shaking head* You know what, forget it. Here's a fanbase that expects Brandon Paul to get 30pts, 10rbs, 5asts, 5stls, 3blks, and 1 turnover a game, otherwise they're not happy. So you know what? Be miserable. I don't care. You want to boo him to make him meet your so ridiculous its laughable expectations? Go ahead. But you cannot make a player play a position that he does not have the skills for and expect puppies, rainbows, and pots of gold. And just because you force a player to play out of position, does not mean that player is worthless. Evan Turner was a terrible point guard. Just awful. A turnover machine. But you didn't see OSU fans clamoring that he should be benched after each turnover to get his "head on straight". I mean, seriously, it is ridiculous the amount of blame Brandon Paul gets for everything.

DaisyJ wrote on January 28, 2013 at 8:01 pm

Put down your own grading system, but they all point to the same result. Paul is worth very little. Most of you get blinded by his long arching 3. But add up credits and debits, good and bad, and you will find that his mistakes outweigh his acrobatic value. You see, flashiness are worth zero, the arch on the ball is also zero, and the lack of hustle on defense is a big deficit. Look, he should be playing forward. There his quickness and ability to jump with any center  and his strenght could gain him some positives. In addition, very little chance to throw away the ball, or lose it on a dribble. Rebounds would be added and we we see value, full value in him.

If you watch off ball, you will see what is wrong with this team. They stand thinking they will be passed to so then they do not rebound, or cut for a pass, they stand out for a big whopping thrilling three ball shot that you fans worship. Basketball was never intended to have a three shot, and we are seeing why.

 

Tell me, if we had no three shot, what kind of moves would Brandon think of doing instead of what he does. We give value to a three ball shot, when instead it is rewarding the wrong thing.

Moonpie wrote on January 28, 2013 at 3:01 pm

Somehow DaisyJ, a tea party mope if ever there was one, had to mention Obama in a sports chat. Don't forget to mention he's probably a Muslim and a communist and wants to take your guns and caused the first ice age. And don't forget to also praise the Dancin Injun, DaisyJ.


Maybe cut the Fox Noise IV drip, old pal.

DaisyJ wrote on January 28, 2013 at 4:01 pm

Mooniehoomie...

Why is it that American Africans are ok with Musiliums having their women go around  with just their eyes showing. The men make them do it for Allahballa. I think you will see that this is no difference than when people very wrongly allowed slavery. In the end , it was terrible to control another human that way, ...but it is allowed by the Mus. whats up with that (SNL)

bY THE WAY, oBAMA IS A MESS.

ifullofit wrote on January 28, 2013 at 5:01 pm

If you look at DJ 3 shot, he misses when he throws his right arm out like a chicken wing rather than holding it in an squaring up. Tyler is leting his feet fly forward instead of going straight up.

Some times it simple things that need corrected. BP wants to try to play hard. Needs to drive more but when he starts from out the entire team moves and pulls their defensive man into his driving lane.